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[TiFeMb]

Hermitage: All's cool, I was probably projecting a bit because I tend to get real cynical about things (hey, I grew up in Meadville, whaddya expect?    )
I CHOOSE to see sparkle ponies (from my 5 year old daughter) and rainbows (we get a lot down here because of the thunderstorms). I PERSONALLY focus on the positive in an increasingly negative world, because there are enough negative people without manners out there already. If I can make one person ha ppy every day I feel like I won. Lately, believe it or not, I make a lot of people smile. Sometimes that's the only thing that gets me through the week.
Yea, I lean left only because I haven't had much luck during the republican administrations (I actually shook Nixon's hand as a kid). I also lean heavily right on a lot of issues (family, religion). So it's hard to pigeonhole myself.
I support the OFFICE of the president, my God implores me to (respect for leadership). I did my best during the Bush years. What's odd is that Obama doesn't make the laws,congress does. They were elected because the republicans dropped the ball on a number of issues. So the pendulum swung WAY left. If the current leadership in the Republican party continues it's ranting it's going to get worse before it gets better.
I don't want this healthcare plan to pass, but my healthcare costs are terrible & I have GOOD insurance.
Again, grass roots efforts are what's needed, not name calling.
 
I really wish Hillary would have won...
Welcome Hermitage, good to have ya here.
 
I really should get back to work...

[Kimmi]

I'm so tired of the disrespect of the office of President itself!  I don't care if you don't like the man or what he is doing.  There are a lot of people who didn't like Bush, Clinton, Daddy Bush, and Reagan, but they did not blatantly disrespect the office. 

It saddens me to think that when the President addresses the children of the United States, that people will deny their children the right to see it.   When I was in elementary school, I would have been so excited to think that the President was speaking to me!! We complain about there not being enough roll models.  You might not like his politics, but you can't deny his public status and if he encourages even ONE child to work a little harder, then he has been successful!

On Tuesday, Sept. 8, President Barack Obama will deliver a national address to students via the Web and C-SPAN to encourage students to set high academic goals and to do their best to succeed in school. The address will be broadcast live on the White House Web site ( http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/ ) and on C-SPAN at 12:00 p.m., ET. 

[CindyLouWho]

Well said Kim.  If what I am reading and hearing is true, this sounds like a super positive speech.  If parents are THAT concerned, maybe they can keep their kids home that day or go to school and watch it WITH them, but they should still watch.  And talk about it.

[TiFeMb]

I want to be in Kimmi's class!!

(I'll bring chocolate...)

[Puffin]

It saddens me to think that when the President addresses the children of the United States, that people will deny their children the right to see it. ................. 
 You might not like his politics, but you can't deny his public status and if he encourages even ONE child to work a little harder, then he has been successful! 

thats so correct. Parents encourage their kids to write to Santa, Make cash deals with the Toothe Fairy, and Anticipate the Easter Bunny and the sugar buzz, but avoid the President because he might try to recruit them to an ideology. Thats truly a sad commentary.

[NightmarePatrol]

I think that what I find most interesting about all of this is that there are school boards that are making the decision not to show this. Why is this odd? They are the teachers of our young that will be ingraining US history into their heads and how the first amendment is a fundamental right. Yet they as a government body will be practicing censorship of the highest office in the country.

I'm not a fan of Obama but I respect the office. However, don't think he's going to be telling the kids anything that's unethical, immoral, etc. I remember seeing some broadcasts in school of presidential addresses (mostly Nixon, Ford and Carter). Granted the situation was and the times were different. But if someone had pulled the plug on any of their speeches because someone on the board though were a crook or they were against advancing nuclear energy a disservice would have been done to me. We send our kids to school to be taught by teachers that have different political and moral viewpoints than we do and the kids spend more time with them than Obama will.

[CindyLouWho]

Do we think our children are so freakin' moronic that they can't watch the president speak and draw a conlusion with some intelligent discussion/input from a respected adult in their life?  That is, an adult who can be fair and non-biased IN REGARDS TO that particular speech.  (Forget about your personal opinion about him for a moment.)   Geeeez.  It's just a "get good grades and work hard and you have a shot at success" talk.   He's not going to get on national television and play the record backwards to drill future voting instructions into the gray matter.  People need to get a grip.  My 11 and 15 y.o. will be watching if that is what their schools decide to do.  I am recording it.  We will chat about it.

Bush made a habit or reading a story to elementary classrooms on a regular basis.  I wonder if people freaked out and said "Oh No!  A strange is coming to read a story!" 

Drama queens I say.     

[Kimmi]

Hermitage I respect your opinions and of course like the old saying goes "Opinions are like assholes..."  I'm going to try and address a few of your finer points here.

first off you must earn respect it does not just come because you won an office,

Now that is interesting because the military does not have that luxury.  When the new Commander in Chief is elected, he is now in charge and respected.  I don't ever remember another President who has had to prove himself as much of Obama in order to receive the respect he is entitled to. 

You want to be in a class with a teacher that once said in a prior post the she laughs at local news ...wow way to stay in touch in what is happening in your local community

I don't live in the community anymore.  The Meadville Tribune is nothing but a gossip column.  Who's getting a divorce?  Who had a baby out of wedlock?  Who died?  and Who was arrested?  Those are the finer points of the Meadville Tribune.  If you want news, that is not the place to find it.

I would like to say that if I am able to read the text before hand and do not see a problem I would let my  children watch.

If I had known that I could have requested Bush's speeches prior to his appearances, I would have done that too.  My red pen would have been on fire!

Enjoy your Labor Day weekend folks!

[Lifetime]

Interesting choices of words..."I just got tired of the same old "it's his / her fault and America should listen to ME." You say this about the PUNDITS on TV but have you listened to BAM-BAM, JO-BI, Pe-LOOSEY, and her lapdog Reid, not to mention the famous "Brother" Gibbs. They do the same things you blame pundits for and THEY ARE IN CHARGE!!! OMG!!! POTUS and the whole crew keep blaming their dailey shortcomings on the "PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION"... When will BAM-BAM take the load.... maybe sometime before the END of his term???  If you want to eliminate what you are tired of ... perhaps you should have to go to an island with no media at all. To say the Conservatives just do the "blame game" .... means you have never listened to the above mentioned crew.
 
Step up BAM-BAM, this is your show now. With Majority in the House and Senate, and all of those Czars.... something good should have happened already. 


Oh... and RATINGS for the print,sound and video media are just as important as the more famous POLLS that are on this administration. Blow them off all you want, but numbers DO count and you can bet everyone who has these on them ...watch them closely and act on them. They are a measure of $$$ as well as VOTES.

 

OLBERMANN, BILL MAHER, AL FRANKEN, MSNBC, AIR AMERICA

I actually never watched them for more than a few minutes because it was just as you described, just attacking and sophomoric humor. I actually listened to Hannity/Beck/OReilly for a while (Rush & Levin are just paranoid fear-mongers)  until I just got tired of the same old "it's his / her fault and America should listen to ME".  :deadhorse: All the while hiding behind Reagan & the "conservative" flags, all the while doing the same thing as the Libs: COMPLAINING and not DOING.
 
Oh, yeah, Hannity has a cool little concert he manages. I liked the Jams they used to have in stadiums. Getting a lot of people together that think the same way.
 
I don't think ratings tell the story. If that mattered Michael Jackson would be president.  I prefer to get my news from multiple sources & triangulate the data to see if it's truthful. I didn't buy into global warming and I hate nancy pelosi, but that doesn't make me a republican: I liked what Kennedy did & I believed the democrats had a better platform this election. That doesn't make me a democrat: It makes me a voter that looked at the information presented & tried to make a choice not based on "ideology".
 
I didn't think Bush was that bad, at first. I think that Cheney was the puppeteer for a while and GW pushed back toward the end. I didn't agree with GW when he started all the stimulus and bailout madness, and I still don't agree with some of CONGRESS's decisions.
 
But we need to start making the right choice in our neighborhoods, cities, townships, counties & states and stop watching the talking nimrods on the boob toob.
 
Think positive, act responsibly & if you don't have anything good to say about someone, don't say it.
 
Wise words from many wise people in my past. I still struggle with that philosophy but I STILL TRY.
 
OLBERMANN, BILL MAHER, AL FRANKEN, MSNBC, AIR AMERICA Rush/Hannity/Beck/Levin/Oreilly 
 
Just turn 'em off & put on some classical music. Maybe some Neil Diamond.
Smile at the person in the car next to you.
Be the next cool coke commercial & make the world smile.
 
Be a Sparkle Pony in someones life, create some rainbows.

[lifefeedsonlife]

life, what is your opinion of william f. buckley. would you respect his intellect in regard to political thought?

I liked Buckley cuz he was a thinker. (Liked him after my anit-Reagan phase of course, but that's cuz I really wasn't a thinker at the time. Just a poseur - though if you'd have said that to me, we'd have fought about it.) He was also a decent fellow who liked to talk to people about ideas. He was Libertarian in some respects as well. (Had some interesting ideas on the legalization of marijuana for being the father of the Reagan conservative revolution.)
 
He was also the kind of fellow (from what I understand) who would have people to his dinner party whom he completely disagreed with yet treated them to his best food and wine and never disrespected them. The man knew civility and used his wit - not his emotions - to argue a point.
 
Anyone with civility and a decent wit has my respect.
 
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Getting back to the earlier topic about this school thing. If the intention of the address to the children is to inspire them to greater success, That's OK. In fact that's great! A leader should inspire the people who put him in power! The problem is - there's a lot of folks out there with a cynical cast towards our President. (And the original text of of the "lesson plan" is not what it says right now. It's been revised to remove some of the more . . . um . . . 'directive' stuff.)
 
Though I'm not so sure about the cynicism as much as fear . . . question is - is it reasonable?
 
There is an axiom about knowing people by the company they keep. If you see someone hanging out with a certain crowd -it's a pretty safe bet that they are either a part of that crowd, wanna-be's with the crowd, or are trying to change the crowd. There are special advisors and czars in President Obama's circle that have "ideologies" (ya killed that word for me bh  ) that stand in direct opposition to the Constitutional principles of our country.
 
I don't think he's trying to change that particular crowd he's surrounded himself with - so what are the other options?
 
There's a lot of paper and sound bytes out there about Van Jones - a lot of it what he's said and what he believes. He's now very close to the individual who holds the highest office of this land. Is this something we can be comfortable with? Cass Sunstein is another interesting individual - with some pretty specific ideas about things - as is John Holdren. (Ever read some of his paper trail?)
 
William Ayers is not a dead horse either. Read his philosophy on politicizing young children through the educational system. It's out there on paper and on tape. He's got close associations with Cass Sunstein as well as Mr. Obama.
 
Granted - the President Obama promised change . . . but is it really the change we need?
 
In a Democracy - that's up to the people. Which is a wonderful thing save for a drawback.
 
A choice is not a choice unless it is an informed choice.

[Kimmi]

Hold up.  I did not call anyone an asshole.  As the saying goes "OPINIONS are like assholes.  Everyone has one". 

[TiFeMb]

I'm still bringin' Kimmi chocolates because it makes her HAPPY.
 

I do think that the parents should make the choice in what their children watch at school

Our school sent out the waiver form, parents are free to 'politicize' this address as much as they feel necessary.
 
Hermitage: I understand you have some issues with the way liberals and Obama make decisions and are ruining your life. But really, WHY do you let that CONSUME YOUR VERY BEING?
 
I know nothing about you other than your rants against the 'establishment' and how they are ruining your country.
 
I know nothing about YOU.
 
So I probably have nothing much more to say because, if I were at a party with you, and this is all you talked about, I would walk away & find someone a bit happier to talk with.
 
Oh, and please comment on how I am 'ignoring' the problems and how I am 'checked out'. Again, you are so busy attacking what you don't like that you haven't spent the time & energy to get to know all the fine people here and find out what you LIKE.
 
So you don't know me. And you haven't given me the opportunity to know you.
 
And that makes the Sparkle Pony sad (sorry, I just couldn't resist: it's Friday & I'm in Love)

[lifefeedsonlife]

*hijack*

I think that's the happiest Robert Smith has ever felt.

*end hijack*

[Puffin]

Dont let the kids watch any Eagles footbal games. With Vick its just too controversial and even political and maybe ideological.
It appears all aspects of our lives are being divided by political ideology or dogma. Religion, sports,education,politics, even the choice of cars(union-non-union) , TV, who to hate ect. Who is doing that?
Well if you think about it, its the politicians and political parties.
TiFeMb 's party analogy is correct. We are being told to hate the half of Americans who have a different political/Life perspective than ourselves. They deserve no consideration, respect, or rights. How do you know that? Read the news, or watch it on TV, or be on a Forum, go to church, listen to a politician. Hate and intolerence are the great organizers of the masses.
 

[Kimmi]

Hold up.  I did not call anyone an asshole.  As the saying goes "OPINIONS are like assholes.  Everyone has one".

Kimmi---I know that is why I 
 
Also when you are in the Military you are there as a worker, it is a Job. So you know what is expected of you when you Join...Just like any other job..even if you do not like or agree with what your bosses do or say you show them respect...so far I do not work for the POTUS.
 
Tife I am not sure that I have done any rantting here. So you are right you do not know me and if you did you would fine out that I am a great person to know and would do almost anything for anyone. As for someone running my life you are right it is ME...and yes I am a happy person and love what I do, just because I do not agree with someone does not make me an unhappy person. I do not have a problem with anyone on here as I have stated before! I enjoy what you have to post and will continue to read all posts and will enjoy..I have said before that I probably will not always agree with everyone. With that said I hope that you do not hold anything against me Tife or Kimmi because I am sure we will agree on something down the road!  

Not that I hold this opinion but it sounds like you are saying that if you don't belong to something, you don't need to respect it.  I'm not in the military.  Should I stop respecting it?  You live in this country!  Respect all that is American. No one said you had to respect the man.  However, you should respect the position.