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[lifefeedsonlife]

Mmmmmm - no. Not so much.

Not a fan of either the R's and D's. Taking a macro view - they both are equally culpable for the mess we're in.

[lifefeedsonlife]

Yeah - that is a funny picture. I'd like to see one of our current President that looks like that. But I betcha there isn't one to be found. Either because, that's not his personality or because nothing looking like that would ever get 'out..'

[lifefeedsonlife]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704431804574539284255805824.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_business#articleTabs%3Darticle

"General Motors Co. reported a $1.15 billion loss for a shortened third quarter, providing the first evidence of the auto maker's improvement since emerging from bankruptcy protection."

A 1.15 billion dllar loss is an improvement. I guess 10% unemployment is too!

I've heard of Opposite Day - - - but apparently, this is Opposite Year!

[Lifetime]

For God's sake.... Did you not know that the 10K stock market is a sign of economic improvement.... now don't look at why... expanded layoffs and shutting down plants... Hmmm money not spent heads into the P list...
 
Well the weather/oceans are getting warmer, hence Global warming a "fact"...oh and don't forget Cooler weather and more ice at Antarctica... Oh yessss. I forgot... Global Warming TOOOOOOOO.
 
Everything tends to follow the course of WHO READS WHAT and WHO POSTULATES WHAT. I came home to go outside and drove as I walked miles. I fed my dog and he has hairballs, and had to cut grass and spread salt on my walks. ? ? ? ? ? ? ?    Now a LESS of a loss is a PROFIT? WTF!!!! Good time to buy homes and gold.... LOL while the DOLLAR VALUE is down.... Get real!!!! A $150,000 home is really valued at $95,000 and...the dollar hasn't even tanked yet. I have a MILLION DOLLAR Baseball card.... anyone have a MILLION DOLLARS.... Hmmmm how much is that in INFLATION dollars?? Folks.... values can go UP on paper but they are still within the original VALUE range. What is the REAL value of GOLD? is it really a $1000 VALUE??? or has inflation taken a bit of that??? 10.2% may be an average but we all know it is NOT the true level.... it is much higher and regionally terrible. LOL now we dance when ONLY 500,000 people lost their jobs.... What in hell is wrong with all of this?? Reality vs Perception. We reval at cash for clunkers without looking at the real cost..... higher prices for the used car market minus the 700,000 shredded usable used cars.... now maybe 700K people now have another payment...for a temporary new car. Just what we needed.... more debt. Now Car dealers nation wide are some of the QUIETest places in America... We have Temporary auto line start ups until... the stock gets to a point and guess what..... lay offs again. You are right...I am not smiling and MY glass is NOT half full. I am not a believer in Santa and the Easter Bunny as well as a Fairy that requires me to have my teeth pulled or worse ...Knocked out.
 
This isn't from the Right or Left, this is from those who have been and are now IN CHARGE. You remember them? the ones who don't listen to their employers or the ones who listen to the quickly devalued AMERICAN GREENBACK.
 
My opinion only
 
 

[url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704431804574539284255805824.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_business#articleTabs%3Darticle]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704431804574539284255805824.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_business#articleTabs%3Darticle[/url]

"General Motors Co. reported a $1.15 billion loss for a shortened third quarter, providing the first evidence of the auto maker's improvement since emerging from bankruptcy protection."

A 1.15 billion dllar loss is an improvement. I guess 10% unemployment is too!

I've heard of Opposite Day - - - but apparently, this is Opposite Year!

[Puffin]

I guess I'm an optomist. I see the market at 10K better than the market at 6K. I'm happy there is a financial market at all rather than a complete collapse. The autosale forecast for 2009 have not gotten worse than what was predicted in Feb. The unemployment forecast in Feb was that it would peak at around 10.5% in 2Q10. Maybe, hopefully its peaking now, a qtr ahead of forecast. Maybe not, but forecasts still say peak is 10.5%.. I'm happy, that after 6 quarters of decline in economic growth, 3Q2009 was at +3.5%. I'm happy, that after declining since 2006, it looks like the housing starts have bottomed out. I think it's good news that our deficit with China is down 16% year to year . When will things get back to where we were in 2002. Maybe 5 years.

[TiFeMb]

Puffin: Like I alway say, rainbows & ponies!!!! 
 
ps. glad you're here, you always have a good take on things and I appreciate that.

[TiFeMb]

Don't Worry... Be Happy...

Now I have that song stuck in my head 
 
Seriously, it just saddens me to see how The President is being viciously attacked....usually by people (not here, but in my physical life) that have NOTHING whatsoever to do with changing ANYTHING, and whos lives are in such dissaray that I wonder if complaining about The President is their way of ignoring their own sorry pathetic lives.
 
I am talking about people here that I am around all day, and quite frankly, wouldn't say hello to on the street.
 
I like to look at the bright side of life because I USED to be a Negative Nancy, and it got me nowhere FAST.
 
Hey, the economy IS doing better, investors SEEM to be a bit more positive, with a few exceptions (Detroit, MIami, Las Vegas) the housing market has stabalized, and these holidays look like they are going to be a bit more festive than last year.
 
Hey, I grew up in Meadville in the 70's when unemployment, to me, seemed to be about 100%    ot was probably higher than now, and interest rates were like 12%.
 
Not only was I poor, people I thought were rich were poor.
 
So yea, I would rather just keep chipping away at the issues in my own life than sit and complain about something I have no control over.
 
Now I'm going to click 'Post' without reviewing this because I'm feeling a little sassy on this Tuesday 

[CindyLouWho]

(((laughing at Tife))) 

[Lifetime]

When 500,000 more lose their jobs and it is less than normal and we think that is a positive.... When we go to our banker and think they care one iota what we are saying to them and think we are making progress... when we now are using food stamps and such a high rate and think we are caring for our own even more.....when Foreclosure is still high and in many places growing and we are told new housing starts are up... How many are buying in return for how many are losing? Hmmmm And that is if those buying new homes can hold on to them..... I still think the glass is half empty. If we think we can sing "Don't Worry, Be Happy" and that is suppose to make this go away... we just may be in trouble. We are mathematically pathetic.... Gold up 17%!!! what?? 17% up from the 2% increase it had... that is not 17 cents on the dollar...that is 17% of 2%.... We have so many jugglers of numbers we begin to love fuzzy math. I would rather have, in essence full employment, 5% and the stock market at say 8000 rather than 10.2+ and it is 10K+. When this happens like it has... companies have made their profits rise by killing jobs.... mostly at the lower levels.... This has even hit Microsoft, and many of the past lucrative computer based businesses. All businesses of size adjust profits from the lower end... be it jobs or benefits or both. A lot of that market is speculation and even expands with the words of our leaders.... not in actual sales and debits. This was shown when we were seeing 14,000+ numbers... just before the palne hit the ground.
 
We are entering into another Holiday season and the retailers are unsure about their hopeful sales sans "Black Friday". To get people to shop, even Walmart is throwing out the stops with $10 toys.... that is the bait..... We will see the state of the economy maybe after we are done chasing, swearing, and buying in January.
 
Yes I am a Curmudgeon, but if there is one thing I have learned ..Life is not fair and you should never "look good" laying in that coffin. You should looked rode hard, put away wet and used up. No one looks good after their last breath.
 
I do laugh though, when I hear that us elders cannot buy our meds and food too but I see alot of blue hairs and hairless loaded into our local eating establishments and I see the younger, under employeed or unemployeed belly up to a bar... A confusing scene to say the least. Perception vs Reality

[lifefeedsonlife]

I'm actually an optimist by my nature (though I wasn't lawys) - but when it comes to anything 'Washington' I am not an optimist. I'm a fan of less government - with a very limited scope. The larger it gets, the less efficient it is . . . the harder it is to regulate. (Whixh is f*cking hilarious by the way in that it's interested in regulating everyone else, but no-one really has the power to regulate IT save for voters. But when we say something, we're mocked and marginalized by government and the media.)

“Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now.” - Thomas Jefferson

[Lifetime]

ROTFLMAO.... VOTE!!!! You can't get 50% of the eligible population to even register. Now... try to get 50% of those to the polls.... then do the math on the ACTUAL percentage of our people who ACTUALLY vote ANYONE into office. Our Voting Percentage is totally PATHETIC.
 
Those candidates KNOW how we are and play it that way. This last local election attracted luckily 17% of the over all eligible voters. That means that if you could garner 9% of the eligible voters, you were in. LOL and we complain when Politicians "don't listen to us"    ....
 
 
 

I'm actually an optimist by my nature (though I wasn't lawys) - but when it comes to anything 'Washington' I am not an optimist. I'm a fan of less government - with a very limited scope. The larger it gets, the less efficient it is . . . the harder it is to regulate. (Whixh is f*cking hilarious by the way in that it's interested in regulating everyone else, but no-one really has the power to regulate IT save for voters. But when we say something, we're mocked and marginalized by government and the media.)

“Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now.” - Thomas Jefferson

[lifefeedsonlife]

Lifetime -

Nailed it. Sad but true.

[bighair80s]

positive thinking is a good trait, postive feeling is another animal altogether. the two are vastly different. reality is the crux of the matter. you can think and feel a lot of things, if they dont correspond with reality you could end up making a lot of bad decsions. or make bad decsions for others in your care or under your state control.... 

forcing feelings to correspond with a forced ideal of reality (that is neither ideal or real) is... denial. the more i study the more i think liberal ideology is based on this type of thinking/feeling.

[Puffin]

When 500,000 more lose their jobs and it is less than normal and we think that is a positive..
 

I actually do. Last November people were losing their jobs to the tune of 800,000 a month, so 175,000 a month is better by my math. Then, the news was all negative, with no reasonable idea how bad things would get, or how long it would last. Would the financial industry collapse?
Today thing are way better. The outlook is optomistic, not grim.
Are people suffering? Of course. No matter what the economy, there are always those that suffer. Recessions cause more to suffer. Recovery, no matter how slow, lessens that suffering.
 

[Puffin]

positive thinking is a good trait, postive feeling is another animal altogether. the two are vastly different. reality is the crux of the matter. 

BH, that would in my thinking describe most of we small business owners.
But I don't see them as disparate traits. Most of the successful one's I know are positive, foward looking people. Most have a very good grasp of objective reality as it applies to their efforts, and maybe most importantly ,almost all have confidence that they can effectivly deal with any problem or challenge.
Note, this does not apply to politicians.