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[MoreLove]

Geeeez.  It's just a "get good grades and work hard and you have a shot at success" talk.   He's not going to get on national television and play the record backwards to drill future voting instructions into the gray matter.  People need to get a grip. 

I agree, Cindy Lou.  Geez, you would think that Charlie Manson was giving a video speech to school children the way some people are acting!  Some folks sure get bent out of shape over differences of opinion/ideology.

I remember when the Dixie Chicks got death threats....death threats!!!...because of the comment one of them made about being ashamed that Pres Bush was from TX.

It's a sad state of affairs when some parents will not allow their children to hear a speech given by the POTUS.

[gore range]

Interesting to see the solidly blue states where they are electing not to broadcast the President's 'students' speech in the schools.

[Spicoli]

I'm on the Repukes side with this.  What was to originally be in the speech is disturbing!

If education is so important then schools should be teaching instead of showing speeches!

And if this speech is so important then it should be given in the evening so everybody, or at least most everybody, can watch it!

[TiFeMb]

For many reasons I never became a writer so I appreciate when one so eloquently puts my thoughts into prose. Here is an op-ed piece I ran across:
 
* begin snip *
 
How about this: Instead of "opting out of allowing our children to listen to an address by the president of the United States, what if we all “opt in” instead?
You know, do some parenting. Sit with them, listen to what the president says and then have a conversation about what he says and what you believe. Talk about how you feel, what you believe and why you think the president is right or wrong. Do it in a civil, respectful way of the presidency, even if you don't like this president's policies.

That’s parenting. As I’ve written before, I didn’t vote for President Obama, primarily because I disagreed with his ideas on health care. I agree with the goals, not the details. I said it then and it is still true.
But more people voted for President Obama than for Sen. John McCain. Obama won. That’s how it works. Usually.
Now that he is the president, he is the president. Nothing more, nothing less.
The president’s desire to speak to school children across the nation in a single address in all the schools is a novel idea and has political opponents demonizing his intent. There are reports of entire schools opting out.
There was a time when schools were viewed as places where education would occur, where ideas from all sides could be discussed and dissected, not dismissed. Now we simply eliminate thought. When the list of things we can’t talk about grows longer than the list of what we can talk about, we might as well shut the buildings down and turn off the lights. The party’s over. 
In blogs, message boards, radio talk shows and mainstream media the president of the United States is being called both a fascist and a socialist, although I don’t think you can be both at the same time. But we’ve stopped teaching civics and government, so no one remembers the difference.
The casual use of words like Nazi and fascist to described the president is inappropriate and ignorant, disrespecting the families of the millions upon millions of people killed by the Nazis, including the more than 6 million murdered in concentration camps. 
This is getting way out of hand; the rhetoric is outlandish, even nonsensical, bordering on hysterical. I disagree with some of his politics, but President Obama is none of these things. He is a liberal Democrat whose ideas were placed before the American people and won the vote.
The way to defeat his ideas is with better ones, not “opting out” of the discussion, hiding behind walls of name calling.
When we can’t see beyond the politics to allow children to listen to the president of the United States, fear and hate have won and our country has lost.
So, parents, think it through before you sign that paper opting out. Think about what you are truly opting out of.

* end snip *
 
Nice. I just want civil discourse & it has been so long since we had this. And George Bush NEVER had the hatred thrown his way that Barack Obama has.

[TiFeMb]

*hijack*

I think that's the happiest Robert Smith has ever felt.

I knew you would catch that. nice.
 
* end hijack *
 

[Spicoli]

I would ask the op-ed writer how a parent can sit with their kid and watch the speech when he's giving it during the hours that they will be in school?  Maybe that's what all of the parents who are keeping their kids home that day are gonna do, lol.

[CindyLouWho]

There isn't aschool on the planet - that I'm aware of - where a parent is not welcometo sit in on their childs class, at any time they want to.

[bighair80s]

life, what is your opinion of william f. buckley. would you respect his intellect in regard to political thought?

 
I liked Buckley cuz he was a thinker. (Liked him after my anit-Reagan phase of course, but that's cuz I really wasn't a thinker at the time. Just a poseur - though if you'd have said that to me, we'd have fought about it.) He was also a decent fellow who liked to talk to people about ideas. He was Libertarian in some respects as well. (Had some interesting ideas on the legalization of marijuana for being the father of the Reagan conservative revolution.)
 
He was also the kind of fellow (from what I understand) who would have people to his dinner party whom he completely disagreed with yet treated them to his best food and wine and never disrespected them. The man knew civility and used his wit - not his emotions - to argue a point.
 
Anyone with civility and a decent wit has my respect.
 
 
There is an axiom about knowing people by the company they keep. If you see someone hanging out with a certain crowd -it's a pretty safe bet that they are either a part of that crowd, wanna-be's with the crowd, or are trying to change the crowd. There are special advisors and czars in President Obama's circle that have "ideologies" (ya killed that word for me bh  ) that stand in direct opposition to the Constitutional principles of our country.
 

Granted - the President Obama promised change . . . but is it really the change we need?
 

 

ok, i admit i posted a tiny bit of 400 page book , take a some time to watch buckley and minogue (the anuthor) discuss it. that book was written about 20 years ago.  it will frame  what is going on now.. to a "T" what you are describing you see within the administration. it is IDEOLOGY and it is against freedom and liberty.  i will post the first  10 minute part there are 6 parts. it is highly intellectual so you wont hear it expressed in terms on the nightly news, but i know you will see it.  i am not very good at expressing it. i read the book and it took this video for me to finally understand the book better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CIOSkrfRC4&feature=related

there are 6 parts to this, i cant link all six or this post will be HUGE, just double click the you tube link and you can get all 6...

[NightmarePatrol]

It couldn't be aired next Wednesday evening because that's the big health care national address time. I guess it's media day for him.

[Puffin]

I have read many posts on other forums critical of the public education system in this country. That it failing based on drop out rates, or tested grades , or union interference, or bad curicilum, poor teacher performance. or whatever.
Yet all of a sudden it is remarkebly successful in politicizing the entire student population, destroying their moral grounding, polluting their political orientation because the President of the United States will make a televised address to the students.
This remarkable transformation from abject failure, to an awsome success,and it  did not take place in a 180 day school year, or a month, or week or day, but in an hour.
How do you explain that?
From my personal experience as a student, and a parent of students, I would suspect their hearing a speach by any politician would be about #50 on their list of things they wanted to do on any given day, and the chance that anything they might say as actually having as apocalyptic effect on me/them is about as likely as hitting the lottery.
Unremarked on in all this is that a Foreign owned, and Foreign controlled network would broadcast a remark that the President of the United State's speech to American students would be politicized attempt to corrupt American youth, and people get in an uproar.
So if I should accuse some on this forum by name of being latent serial killers, or blatent child molesters, should I have to prove they are, or should they have to prove they are not. What is Fox's responsibility?


 

[bighair80s]

do you think the citizens take their cues from  the media and are infulenced on how to feel or the media just report what the mood ot the people happens to be.


do you think the dynamic is the same for a fox viewer as a cnn  nbc or a msnbc viewer? or any other cable or mainstream source of news.

[bighair80s]

so, the age of czars. 

well, it appears van jones the green jobs czar has resigned. if you only watched nbc, msnbs  abc, cbs, and in some cases cnn, you might not even know there was an issue. and for sure you would have seen a different picture than fox news showed. i monitored all of them and a few more, i figure between all of them i can glean facts , i dont care where they come from.   mr van jones still insists he is the victim of a smear campaign. many people think because glenn beck "outed" him there is no reason to believe any of the reports.  so,  lets look at responsibility here too.

"Who's the real terrorists? Uncle Sam." That according to a record put out by Freedom Fighter Music, a label created by the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights, which Van Jones founded. There are a number of different voices on the record, including that of convicted cop-killer Mumia Abu Jamal and Van Jones himself. One of the voices accuses the United States government of "Fighting terror with terror, bombing babies in the night." And then Van Jones appears for his cameo (at the 3:50 mark). Jones rants against the "Israeli occupation," calls for the right of return of the Palestinian people and then puts himself squarely on the side of America's enemies: "This is now a global struggle against a U.S.-led security apparatus and military agenda that impacts people here, it impacts people around the world, and I think that we need to see our problems as linked."   Is Van Jones part of a "global struggle against a U.S.-led security apparatus"? Maybe, or maybe like the 9/11 Truth petition he signed, he simply didn't read the lyrics too closely before he read them into the microphone, produced, and then distributed the record below. It must be a great comfort to the uniformed personnel serving in the White House that they are serving alongside a man who, before he arrived in the White House six months ago, was accusing them of murdering babies, calling them terrorists, and fancied himself part of the global struggle against them and their comrades.

Van Jones: Highlights from Radical, Anti-War Album

now, this is only one example  of things this man has said, (and this record, he produced the entire thing)  he has said a LOT more  in the past two or three years, and the past FEW MONTHS.(he did call republicans a-holes, lol that was the most tame and probably the most accurate thing he said lol ,and i am a conservative)  all of his speeches were found on the internet, for all to see, no-one made it up, many are  irritated that conservatives or liberatarians are putting it forth. if you are sickened by the fact you might have to hear glenn becks voice or watch faux news  in order to see the videos of van jones, sorry about that, but other networks dont want to play the stuff, WHY?,   van jones pretty much condemns himself, if i were anyone in the obama administration i would be too  embarrassed to admit it too, strangely, they are not they supported him right up to friday. as to why the the other networks or cable did not report on it, why dont you ask them? most mainstream media are focusing on the fact he called republicans a-holes, which is the most silliest thing to be concerned about. who cares. this mans ideology is far more concerning.

so i ask you. after you  watch all of  MR VAN JONES OWN WORDS, all his speeches, (you can do a google search, fox news and glenn beck have them cataloged if you really want to see them in one place, they are on you tube too)  his own speeches in his own venues, from recent times, regardless who delivered them to you.  what do you think of mr van jones holding such a high office in our govt, and what the heck does his social justice ideology have to do with green jobs? and do you think president obama  should have  accountability for his choices. or do we pretend it is all cool.

i offer that then you might understand how the citizenry could suspect persons in the department of education in this administration (setting up lesson plans after the president's, speech, and they did do that,then pull them)   may have similar outlooks. or ideologies.. 
i am not saying they for sure do, but this administration has shown that they tolerate and espouse it (and people that do, aka van jones...) and dont insult my intelligence and say they did not know about van jones and his ideology, i dont buy  it anymore.   

[Lifetime]

The internet is a 2 sided sword ( Facetiously thanking The GORE ). How many time do we warn out kids not to post things on the net that they might be sorry for later? You are right.... in this day and age..... the Bam Bam Admin should learn how to "search" the Web instead of just use it. vetting is something this admin has not bothered with and see what is happening?
 
I remember Bam Bam...the candidate, pressing that you have to judge the man by those he has around him. Well we are certainly "judging" by his prescribed standards. It is a shame that the real meaning of " hope and change" in this admin is... "hurry.... change the czars and hope no one cares or notices!!!!" Van Jones is only one of many.... some, Bam Bam still embraces and in the end he will stink like they do.  If you "sleep" with skunks... don't cry when people notice that you too have an offensive "odor". 2010 and 2012 CANNOT come fast enough for me. 
 
 

[NightmarePatrol]

Every administration as far back as I can remember had this kind of activity, though admittedly Jones engaged his tongue before his brain intervened, if at all.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs thanked Jones for his service Sunday on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos." "What Van Jones decided was that the agenda of this president was bigger than any one individual," he said.

"So the president doesn't endorse, in any way, the things that Van Jones said before, the things he did?" Stephanopoulos asked.

"He doesn't, but he thanks him for his service," Gibbs said.

I suspect that Obama is downright out-andout pissed. The usual send off is accompanied by some glad-handed  the president. It didn't occur this time. I love and hate this crap because every new president winds up showing the world that they could have done a little (or lot) better in their appointments.

I wonder if this is some sort of secret presidential tradition, like the who can bring the biggest dorky date to a party?

[Lifetime]

Let me repeat..... In this day of DIGITAL... you cannot be an ass one day and expect people to think you are a saint the next. It is TOOOOOO easy do "dig up the dirt" today. And no one is there to hide it. "Thinking back...what if a secret service officer had a camera cellphone while letting Marilyn in or out the back door of the White House in the early 60s.....?? I assure you...the media would have been paying BIG DOLLARS for those pictures or Movies. So much for Camelot. Today, even the most unwashed is privy to this information and sometimes in just seconds of a YOU TUBE posting..... Shame on Bam Bam and his acolytes.