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[lifefeedsonlife]

Individual freedoms vs. the collective well-being.

It's an old struggle - same shit different millenium.

[NightmarePatrol]

Individual freedoms vs. the collective well-being.

It's an old struggle - same shit different millenium.

Sounds like the Borg Mantra

[lifefeedsonlife]

"[Congress] shall make no law which will not have its full operation on themselves and their friends, as well as on the great mass of society. This has always been deemed one of the strongest bonds by which human policy can connect the rulers and the people together. It creates between them that communion of interests and sympathy of sentiments, of which few governments have furnished examples; but without which EVERY government degenerates into tyranny... If this spirit shall ever be so far debased as to tolerate a law not obligatory on the legislature, as well as on the people, the people will be prepared to tolerate anything but liberty." - James Madison

Congress is exempt from this reform - correct?

[GROK]

If this fiasco cannot be derailed somehow in the Senate then I will have no recourse but to pursue the path of civil disobedience. We as individuals as well as acting collectively ( no not like the BORG collective) can use a simple concept to exercise our disgust and refusal to participate in this travesty.
 
F.=I.W.
 
Freedom= I Won't
 
I culled this philosophy from another excellent Sci-Fi story "And Then There Were None"
 
http://www.abelard.org/e-f-russell.php
 
When the government demands that I bow down to its tyranny, I will respond with "I Won't!"
 
When they throw me in prison for my refusal (with susequent loss of my taxation revenue) they will still not have aquired my aquiescence.
 
If enough individuals select an identical pathway, there will not be enough prisons in the USA (or the world for that matter) to hold the masses of like-minded freedom loving American citizens. If a majority or even large minority of the productive members of society are incarcerated then let us see how rapidly this government by tyranny will fall.

[lifefeedsonlife]

What makes America unique is that the premise of its construction is based on individual freedoms and NOT the collective well-being of its citizenry. The idea being that individuals will come to the aid of their fellow man of their own volition - not by mandate opf the government.

Here - the idea is - the individual comes first, the whole second. In guaranteeing freedoms for the individual, you are not seeing to their well-being, you are enabling them to see to their own as they best see fit.

So - the question becomes - what do we do with the individual that isn't so good at caring for themselves?

Hmmmm.

We've kinda had this discussion . . . right?

[CindyLouWho]

It's going to get uglier I'm afraid.  I've been reading this bill....slowly.....there are some nice changes in there that will change the health game for many.   One bitch I am hearing repetatively is they don't like being forced into a plan.  Hmmmm....I am forced to have car insurance.  Just throwing out food for thought.   I suggest reading this thing.  I'm not impressed.

[NightmarePatrol]

Well it's a little late for me to reconsider my opportunity to relocate to Australia I had in 1985. The fallout from this may get very ugly on many fronts.

[lifefeedsonlife]

'Then what' indeed.

[GROK]

If this fiasco cannot be derailed somehow in the Senate then I will have no recourse but to pursue the path of civil disobedience.
 
 
When the government demands that I bow down to its tyranny, I will respond with "I Won't!"
 
When they throw me in prison for my refusal (with susequent loss of my taxation revenue) they will still not have aquired my aquiescence.
 

 
Hmmmmmmmmmm...Seems that either way...you will need massive amounts of KY... ...

Well the first hoodlum who states "You have a pretty mouth, boy" will end up with a "shiv" in his liver before I become a "receiver". LOL

[CindyLouWho]

Ronald Reagan on Socialism & Liberalism

[CindyLouWho]

Ronald Reagan - "We the People"

[CindyLouWho]

Archie Bunker on Gun Control

[lifefeedsonlife]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/19/opinion/19brooks.html

Excellent Op-ed piece in the NYT.

Individualism when equated to selfishness leads to failure.

[GROK]

[url=http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/19/opinion/19brooks.html]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/19/opinion/19brooks.html[/url]

Excellent Op-ed piece in the NYT.

Individualism when equated to selfishness leads to failure.

 
 
Interesting Op-Ed. One of the major caveats of more "control" by local government workers is that "Old-Boy" networks spring up as well as nepotism, etc. Sometimes a non-biased non-local can more effectively assess situations and bring fresh viewpoints and have no fear of being ostracized if it is the right choice but anathema to the locals.

[NightmarePatrol]

A good article. The movement to replace our elected officials is definitely gaining traction. There are some good reps out there, but they seem to be small in number. The next six years of elections are going to have some interesting results I think.