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[Jayhawk]

is anyone else getting DAILY color glossy mailings from sen. rob bobbins imploring them to write him in as a democrat in a desperate attempt to hang onto his job?

I'm looking for a good, fun name to write in tuesday instead to get the message across that gets the message across that we don't want him anymore.

[Lifetime]

I received them at my home as well. I don't see a problem. I have many DEM friends who will write him in. I have to wonder though.... if so many feel like you and the DEMS are the majority in this area..... how is it that he has been here since he was a State Rep and now Senator? If the DEMS don't want him, why is it that you throw an IP Blogger and an old opponant up against him? Now you want to write in a "fun name". I am sorry if I don't grasp the intent. If you wanted him "out" I would have thought you would have had a better plan....
 
I deal with Longietti, Brookes, Stevenson and yes Robbins on issues that are 99% Veteran related and have had NO problem talking face to face with any of them. I know they will not hit a homerun for me all the time but..... we sure cheer a hell of a lot for a baseball player batting 500. Hmmmm. All 4 of these people are accessable on many levels and their office personnel are great.
 
I have seen, over many years, that we have this "Party" that I call the "ANYBODY BUT" party. I saw this during the last Presidential election as well as the last FED level Congressional Election for Dist 3. I have worked the Polls many years as well and found it most curious that people voted for Mickey Mouse, Goofy as well as less than stellar members of our community. I have seen disgusting racial terms written in and wonder why people even bother. Veterans gave a lot for anyone to vote for whomever they want but.... I would have expected more thought on the voter's part. I voted for neither of the candidates for POTUS this last election. I did write in but..I wrote in a name of a person who had the Cajones to stick to her principles and not flounder. She was someone I have known for decades and she is involved in Washington. Alas, she didn't make it but.... McCain didn't either. Oh..in case you didn't know... I am a GOP. McCain wasn't my man from my past dealings with him and as a Vietvet of 2 1/2 years incountry, I respect him and his military service but his time after..not so much.
 
Again...I think voting is a serious right and given to me to do the best I can. I disdain those who blindly hit the Straight Party Ticket because it shows me they haven't a clue on the individuals. If I had my way....that method would have been removed from the Ballot all together. Straight Ticket voting might have been ok when my Father came over on the boat but not now. I find many who don't even know the name of their Mayor/City Manager let alone their Local Representatives ... not to mention our Congressional Members and LOL even the name of the Vice President.      They walk amongst us... LOL But, they know who the members are of sports teams and their records. Or who won a NASCAR race.... So.... you write in your "fun name" but think of the Veteran who gave you this right and I do hope you think more seriously of your choice. Just my honest opinion
 
 
Good luck tomorrow
 
 

[TiFeMb]

Lifetime: Nice post. We have a lot more in commom than seems on the surface. You're post reminded me of something that I will post in the appropriate thread....

[Jayhawk]

if so many feel like you and the DEMS are the majority in this area..... how is it that he has been here since he was a State Rep and now Senator?

No surge of shenango valley votes can overcome the northern mercer county/crawford county GOP edge.

If the DEMS don't want him, why is it that you throw an IP Blogger and an old opponant up against him? Now you want to write in a "fun name".

The operative words there are "throw" and "up". And in the case of bloggerlady, thrown out is more like it in that she's changed party loyalty/affiliation 3x in the past year.

That, and the fact that last year her only ambition in life was to be the bestest MC treasurer there ever was. Now it appears her ambition is to fill the first-est available elected office she can find. Who's the politician now?

i want a fun name -- or a legitimate serious one -- because no one should have an unfettered command of both the D and R nominations, and i have no desire to see any of the official candidates win.

I deal with Longietti, Brookes, Stevenson and yes Robbins on issues that are 99% Veteran related and have had NO problem talking face to face with any of them.

Choosing a candidate based on one issue is fine and your right if the issue is dear to you and they address it well. I'm looking at other, broader performance areas.
 

I have seen, over many years, that we have this "Party" that I call the "ANYBODY BUT" party.

Yeah, and i, too, critcized those who would rather not vote than vote for candidate X for prez, even if it meant the other party wins. In the general election, ya gotta pick somebody or the other guy's vote wins.

In the primary, however, i'm certainly not going out of my way to put someone of another party on my party's ballot to give him extra oomph in the fall.

I disdain those who blindly hit the Straight Party Ticket because it shows me they haven't a clue on the individuals. If I had my way....that method would have been removed from the Ballot all together. Straight Ticket voting might have been ok when my Father came over on the boat but not now.

Agree with you 100% on that one; it's truly an anachronism that serves no logical purpose. It's right up there with "vote for me, Lever 36," which seems to have appealed to illiterates.

[Lifetime]

"Choosing a candidate based on one issue is fine and your right if the issue is dear to you and they address it well. I'm looking at other, broader performance areas."
 
Well sometimes you can do a few things well but many not so well. Why I pick Veterans....
 
You can be any gender..... so the issue covers that...
You can be any age between 17 and ?  so age issues are covered
You can be any race.... so those issues are covered
you can be of any employment...covered
Religion...covered
monetary scale.... covered
location....covered
educational level...covered
Sexual Preference..... covered I guess... at least for now....
 
Hmmmm Broader performance.... broader issues??? Ok... but I think Veterans covers most of that. We can change most of anything I listed but the fact that the person is a Veteran.... no ifs ands or buts...

 
 
 

if so many feel like you and the DEMS are the majority in this area..... how is it that he has been here since he was a State Rep and now Senator?

No surge of shenango valley votes can overcome the northern mercer county/crawford county GOP edge.

If the DEMS don't want him, why is it that you throw an IP Blogger and an old opponant up against him? Now you want to write in a "fun name".

The operative words there are "throw" and "up". And in the case of bloggerlady, thrown out is more like it in that she's changed party loyalty/affiliation 3x in the past year.

That, and the fact that last year her only ambition in life was to be the bestest MC treasurer there ever was. Now it appears her ambition is to fill the first-est available elected office she can find. Who's the politician now?

i want a fun name -- or a legitimate serious one -- because no one should have an unfettered command of both the D and R nominations, and i have no desire to see any of the official candidates win.

I deal with Longietti, Brookes, Stevenson and yes Robbins on issues that are 99% Veteran related and have had NO problem talking face to face with any of them.

Choosing a candidate based on one issue is fine and your right if the issue is dear to you and they address it well. I'm looking at other, broader performance areas.
 

I have seen, over many years, that we have this "Party" that I call the "ANYBODY BUT" party.

Yeah, and i, too, critcized those who would rather not vote than vote for candidate X for prez, even if it meant the other party wins. In the general election, ya gotta pick somebody or the other guy's vote wins.

In the primary, however, i'm certainly not going out of my way to put someone of another party on my party's ballot to give him extra oomph in the fall.

I disdain those who blindly hit the Straight Party Ticket because it shows me they haven't a clue on the individuals. If I had my way....that method would have been removed from the Ballot all together. Straight Ticket voting might have been ok when my Father came over on the boat but not now.

Agree with you 100% on that one; it's truly an anachronism that serves no logical purpose. It's right up there with "vote for me, Lever 36," which seems to have appealed to illiterates.

[E-L Man]

I can't imagine why anyone would consider writing in a ficticous name! Why not just leave it blank?

[NightmarePatrol]

Believe it or not Alfred E Newman gets write-in's  in every presidential election. For those of you that don't know who he is, Alfred E Newman is the cartoon character that adorns the cover of Mad Magazine. I don't even know it's still published though.

[Lifetime]

Here is what I am trying to figure out...... WHY is there such a furor over Sen. Robbins sending out a mailing requesting that the Dems write his name in as a vote. I also got the same request from another good Legislator.... Mark Longietti. I don't see anyone ruffling feathers over that but ...Robbins..... Oh God The World Is Ending..... Oh... I get it...  ... it is again...the issue of the dog in the fight and not the fight in the dog. Well, tomorrow will come and go and I hope we all do our best without looking foolish.
 
And for Jayhawk... "No surge of shenango valley votes can overcome the northern mercer county/crawford county GOP edge." Please don't give the GOP credit for the shortcomings of the larger DEMs. Just maybe.... some of the Dems and Indies may have ended up voting for Robbins.... Whodda Thunk??
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[Jayhawk]

Just maybe.... some of the Dems and Indies may have ended up  voting for Robbins.... Whodda Thunk?

Only because they failed to mount a credible candidate of their own.

WHY is there such a furor over Sen. Robbins sending out a mailing requesting that the Dems write his name in as a vote. I also got the same request from another good Legislator.... Mark Longietti. I don't see anyone ruffling feathers over that but ...Robbins..... Oh God The World Is Ending...

Robbins is the only one who is running so scared against a mediocre, independent-party candidate that he felt the need to send me FOUR such requests. FOUR. As i said, i don't want him to win in the fall on his own party's ballot, and i'm certainly not going out of my way to enable him to get on my party's ballot, too (even if there are no other viable dems).

The idea that maybe his prime is past is emphasized in one that lists that he is endorced by two FORMER mayors of sharon, the  FORMER mayor of wheatland, the  FORMER DA, a  FORMER hermitage commissioner (pat white, who was voted out and is hardly anyone i'd want endorsing me), a  FORMER state rep, the  FORMER mayor of meadville and some guy no one's ever heard of identified as "professor, musician".

I've also seen a 5th mailing, this one a photo-and-all endorsement from Bob "I couldn't even get elected dog catcher last time" Lucas. In it, the  FORMER sharon mayor extolls all the wonderful things Bob Robbins has done to help Lawrence County. Yes, Lawrence County. One of the two Bobs doesn't even know which county Sharon is in. (Sadly, it's hard to tell which one.)

[Lifetime]

So now we have "candidates" out of the DEMS jumping in the weekend before the primay and asking for a write in...Sounds like the reason for this behavior is purely "afterthought"
 
Again, name a legislator who doesn't have negatives.... Hmmmmm 57 states, Bif Frakkin' deal on an open mic.... and say something that the Supreme Court Justice says is... "not true" AKA LIE..... and Specter who is a Dem, no ..wait a GOP no...wait a Dem. No one in politics can be perfect.... if they were they would have holes in their hands and feet. Again.... I stated that we get up and cheer someone who bats 500...... aka 50%...aka One half of the time.... And most of those he did say good things about were DEMs and were voted in more than once by DEMs before they bid adieu. So that knife sways both ways.
 
I don't thin Robbins is scared.... if by that same definition and with no viable opposition, it may be a good political move. All or most candidates who have NO opposition this far in a race usually do request write in so at least the opposition party has some say if they want. Again... I see Mark Longietti having NO problem keeping his seat ( I will write him in ) and I don't see him as scared because of his request. I think it is a normal political tool available and used. 
 
The write-in rules use to be very strict. It had to be spelled the same way..as in... BOB SMITH is not the same as ROBERT SMITH or BOB E.SMITH. At one time, that was considered 3 different people. Now the write in is so common that when brought before a judge, it is usually a given as ONE person so 3 votes.
 
I look back and at one time Pat White was a viable Dem in Hermitage for a LONG time and dispite his age, he remains as active in the party as his health allows. Lucas was forced out by Home Rule and being one who was at meetings and active until just before the end... What I predict is this with some background... Lucas was one of the few Mayors who would even come into the not so good neighborhoods of the city but there were those who became "ANYBODY/THING BUTS. Now we have Home Rule. All proponents of Home Rule said it will stop the "OLD BOYS" club and I say.... put more than one person on a board and familiarity will soon raise it's head. What we yelled about, will occur... again.  Sometimes we seem to want to step out of a frying pan we are familiar with, into one we have no idea about. Now don't get me wrong.... I have worked with Jones, Scott, Price, Ryan, and Lucas.... I will say the one time I contacted Lavorini on something, I got a quick response.
 
When I deal with anyone in Government I never listen to their lips.... I look at their record. What is said and what is done can be very different. I also realize that any elected official can not be everything to everybody... that is a fact of life and I am not too idealic to think life is fair but.... we need to act intellegently and do what we can to make it better if just a bit.
 
Remember this... Politics is a "Blood Sport". In the end only one has the most votes or even make that points. We see this on ESPN everyday and those people get paid a lot more than politicians and get to play.... GAMES.
 
I can see you don't like Robbins and I heard you got those mailings so what do you do with them...... KEEP them?? Or do you do what I do... file 13. Of all the bulk mail you got, those seem to stick in your craw. I hope I have better things to worry about.
 
 
 

Just maybe.... some of the Dems and Indies may have ended up  voting for Robbins.... Whodda Thunk?

Only because they failed to mount a credible candidate of their own.

WHY is there such a furor over Sen. Robbins sending out a mailing requesting that the Dems write his name in as a vote. I also got the same request from another good Legislator.... Mark Longietti. I don't see anyone ruffling feathers over that but ...Robbins..... Oh God The World Is Ending...

Robbins is the only one who is running so scared against a mediocre, independent-party candidate that he felt the need to send me FOUR such requests. FOUR. As i said, i don't want him to win in the fall on his own party's ballot, and i'm certainly not going out of my way to enable him to get on my party's ballot, too (even if there are no other viable dems).

The idea that maybe his prime is past is emphasized in one that lists that he is endorced by two FORMER mayors of sharon, the  FORMER mayor of wheatland, the  FORMER DA, a  FORMER hermitage commissioner (pat white, who was voted out and is hardly anyone i'd want endorsing me), a  FORMER state rep, the  FORMER mayor of meadville and some guy no one's ever heard of identified as "professor, musician".

I've also seen a 5th mailing, this one a photo-and-all endorsement from Bob "I couldn't even get elected dog catcher last time" Lucas. In it, the  FORMER sharon mayor extolls all the wonderful things Bob Robbins has done to help Lawrence County. Yes, Lawrence County. One of the two Bobs doesn't even know which county Sharon is in. (Sadly, it's hard to tell which one.)

[Zipper]

I didn't vote for Robbins. Here's why...
 
http://spottydawg.com/robbins.html
 
 
Just to make that clear, in 2005.. shortly after this letter, he voted himself a pay raise.... in the infamous "middle of the night" vote.

[Lifetime]

So using that same thought process ...maybe no one should vote for any incumbant at the Fed Level because..... their raises we on AUTO and no one until this year had put a bill in to stop the process.
 
Again, I go back to a time when we were all working and unemployment at the acceptable "100%" which is actually 5%... We cared less about what they made.... now we are pinched and it becomes the central issue. We should have paid attention back then, but we just didn't care enough. I also saw legislators give their raises either back ot to charities and still had to pay taxes on it. I wonder how this would have set in your crosshairs if Robbins or any of them would have given the raise to something near and dear to your heart? ? ? In all of this...it is "Who's Ox Got Gored." If this is the reason you didn't.... God Bless you but there is more to the picture I think. I admit.... we do spend a lot on our legislators... we are one of the highest in the nation. But..... with all the call ( and ther isn't much) for Unicameral.... I envision that if we LESSEN the amount we pay for our Legislators...(I think it is close to 1% of our State Budget) by lessening the numbers will be the ones who scream that their remaining legislators never get to functions and programs because of NO TIME to be present at it. How will that make the constituents feel when they have less and less contact with their elected officials.... No "one on ones".... and a new priority on where your request is , in the pile of requests for a meeting. I am also seeing the WAM disappearing as well. For some... a blessing for many others, a loss. We have to be careful what we wish for... that sword has 2 sides.
 
So if this is your only reason.... well nothing can change that. For me... I continue to look at the record and legislation they are involved in. A Baseball Player batting 500 is a star.... 50%? We needed 72% to pass a test in school or be sent to the next grade...  .
 
Again... Robbins sent the mailers, but so did some of the others. But... not one chirp about that... go figure.... Oh...yeah.... it is the OX thing again... I get it LOL  .
 
And by the way... I didn't get a raise in my retirement or my VA Disability this year...(COLA is now figured in a convoluted way anymore) ... that 50 cent an hour raise meant $2 a day.. $40 a month and $480 a year.... more than anyone on SS, Ret. or VA Disability and it seems we just have to muddle on. I love a person who complains to me that their money doesn't seem to make it to the end of the month... as they swill their 4th beer and rip open their second pack of cigarettes in a bar. Then they make a call on their Blackberry to their GF with 3 children by 2 differwent daddies and bitch because he can't get the NASCAR channel on his flatscreen with the cable contract he has so he has to go to the bar to watch it. I am not saying everyone is like that but it just gives me a chuckle. So yes... there are others who should take less.. I agree, but the system is in place to allow this and we never BOTHERED to set in the Checks and Balances until.... yes... Our OX got gored and was being served up. My target has always been our tax system.... but that is another post....
 
 

I didn't vote for Robbins. Here's why...
 
[url=http://spottydawg.com/robbins.html]http://spottydawg.com/robbins.html[/url]
 
 
Just to make that clear, in 2005.. shortly after this letter, he voted himself a pay raise.... in the infamous "middle of the night" vote.

[Zipper]

"So if this is your only reason...."

My point was much more simple than all of your reasoning. He wrote me a letter saying he wasn't going to vote himself a raise, after reading mine about the hardships we were experiencing that year, as were so many others. It was a tough time for most of us.

Just a few short months later he did.

Just another liar. Knowing that... I could never cast another vote for him, and I do vote.

Hey, if he's your boy, great.
Not for me.

[Lifetime]

NOBODY is my BOY..... If you want "liars" in politics and won't vote for one.... you have limited your voting power.... Do I need to go into those in power that are further up the food chain than Robbins..... Vote for or against anyone you want to but...if it is purely on "my ox got gored" I for one think that is short sighted... in my opinion. I worked well on Veterans Issues with Phil English.... did I agree with his actions 100%... no. I told him so. He voted to send much needed funds of Veterans into a transportation program called "Ice Tea". We thought we had him convinced not to but.... in the end he did. Now was I POed... you bet. But. he also Sponsored and helped to set up the Full Time VA Clinic we now enjoy in our county. Not only that, but it is growing. Did he fight for against Chinese Tube Dumping in Mercer County. But... this all didn't stop the "ANYBODY BUTS" from voting him out.  I don't get my way all the time and I don't have BOYS ..... I just try to get what I can on the plate and hopefully get the legislators to "eat" it.... nothing more, nothing less. There is something afoot that Robbins and a few other legislators are in favor of....  outsourcing the local tax system to an operation outside our area. Do I like it? No, but is it a way to save tax money... not sure of that but I am not all that familiar. Does this affect me? Yes... but it does affect the Municipalities and possibly those hired local to do that job as well. Hmmmmm where do I stand on this..... save money possibly by outsourcing or keep citizens in our community in a job? A quandry that affects all of us... maybe almost like...do I buy American made or do I go to Wally World for a lower price for something made in China.... We all have choices... you made yours. I try not to base mine on one or two negatives. And remember... it is a tough time for many of us out here as well.... you are not the only one with an oar in this "water".
 
 

"So if this is your only reason...."

My point was much more simple than all of your reasoning. He wrote me a letter saying he wasn't going to vote himself a raise, after reading mine about the hardships we were experiencing that year, as were so many others. It was a tough time for most of us.

Just a few short months later he did.

Just another liar. Knowing that... I could never cast another vote for him, and I do vote.

Hey, if he's your boy, great.
Not for me.

[Lifetime]

NOBODY is my BOY..... If you want "liars" in politics and won't vote for one.... you have limited your voting power.... Do I need to go into those in power that are further up the food chain than Robbins..... Vote for or against anyone you want to but...if it is purely on "my ox got gored" I for one think that is short sighted... in my opinion. I worked well on Veterans Issues with Phil English.... did I agree with his actions 100%... no. I told him so. He voted to send much needed funds of Veterans into a transportation program called "Ice Tea". We thought we had him convinced not to but.... in the end he did. Now was I POed... you bet. But. he also Sponsored and helped to set up the Full Time VA Clinic we now enjoy in our county. Not only that, but it is growing. Did he fight against Chinese Tube Dumping in Mercer County? But... this all didn't stop the "ANYBODY BUTS" from voting him out.  I don't get my way all the time and I don't have BOYS ..... I just try to get what I can on the plate and hopefully get the legislators to "eat" it.... nothing more, nothing less. There is something afoot that Robbins and a few other legislators are in favor of....  outsourcing the local tax system to an operation outside our area. Do I like it? No, but is it a way to save tax money... not sure of that but I am not all that familiar. Does this affect me? Yes... but it does affect the Municipalities and possibly those hired local to do that job as well. Hmmmmm where do I stand on this..... save money possibly by outsourcing or keep citizens in our community in a job? A quandry that affects all of us... maybe almost like...do I buy American made or do I go to Wally World for a lower price for something made in China.... We all have choices... you made yours. I try not to base mine on one or two negatives. And remember... it is a tough time for many of us out here as well.... you are not the only one with an oar in this "water".
 
 

"So if this is your only reason...."

My point was much more simple than all of your reasoning. He wrote me a letter saying he wasn't going to vote himself a raise, after reading mine about the hardships we were experiencing that year, as were so many others. It was a tough time for most of us.

Just a few short months later he did.

Just another liar. Knowing that... I could never cast another vote for him, and I do vote.

Hey, if he's your boy, great.
Not for me.