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[lifefeedsonlife]

Might as well kick this around a bit - eh?
 
Personally - it's New York. There's lots of Muslim folks there - so an education center / mosque isn't an inappropriate thing. The opening 'date' coulda been better thought out though. Some folks find that offensive. I'm not so sure that's the word I'd choose -
 
I mean - if there was a Mosque being built in or near Shanksville - maybe that'd be a little in your face ya know?
 
I think this article's take on it is interesting - though the comments (there's a LOT of 'em) are enlightening too. It's a nice snippet of the current American Dialogue.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/16/opinion/16douthat.html

[CindyLouWho]

Everything offends everyone anymore.  Freedom of religion and all that.  How far away is far enough away?  This is an issue because we let it be an issue.  Let them build it and move on.

[NightmarePatrol]

I find it interesting that there was no funding for the St Nicholas Greek orthodox church that was there for 100 plus years. That church got crushed by the south tower has had zero support from the administration in terms of zoning, funding or much else for that matter.

The timing of the opening date was bad, but in some ways I suspect calculated. (xenophobe?)

No matter what, the policies, norms and mores for immigration are a sign of the times. Are they right? I don't know for sure. I do know that at an emotional level most of us wrap islam and terrorism into one nice neat package even though we know they really don't belong together. This has been getting a lot of press lately and from an idealogical standpoint it's fine, from a timing standpoint it just plain sucks.

[TiFeMb]

I heard a good point on NPR (gads!) yesterday, bringing up the fact that we, as a nation, haven't had time to grieve for 9/11. We went to war in Iraq almost immediately and then Afghanistan right after that. The outcry now is partly because the wound hasn't healed.
The other part is the right wing lunatic fringe that seems to be getting more press than it deserves. I am not talking about conservatives or Republicans. I'm talking about wackos who want to eliminate both the 14th and 1st amendment because they don't like "them" anymore.
It would be like not letting a church be built near the site of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building  in Oklahoma City because Timothy McVeigh was a Christian. Same premise, different religion.

[Jayhawk]

I heard a good point on NPR (gads!) yesterday, bringing up the fact that we, as a nation, haven't had time to grieve for 9/11.  .... Same premise, different religion.

Well-stated points, TiFeMb.

Maybe the wound would have healed a little more if SOMETHING, ANYTHING had been built at ground zero by now -- a skyscraper, a memorial. Something.

Now the irony is that the "evil" muslims are about to beat us in building something first. Also overlooked in the hysterical debate is that this is a $100 million project, not chump change in any book.

[CindyLouWho]

They've been working on building on that spot for at least two years.  I have sat at the Burger King upstairs on the corner there and watched a couple times.

And who wants the wounds to really heal?  We should always be aware that there are those out there that wish us harm and keep on guard.  We thought we were safe and we were wrong.

[Jayhawk]

And who wants the wounds to really heal?

I'd say the US chose its form of "grieving" to be bombing the living hell out of the middle east, even if the targets involved turned out not to have had much if anything to do with 9/11. We ought to call it even and quietly forget about it.

[CindyLouWho]

I'm certain as hell it won't end that easily, lol.

[TiFeMb]

Jayhawk: Good point about us not getting something built in the last 9 years. It's a shortsighted media grab by the fringe right wing during Ramadan that will cause a lot of blow back before the midterm elections and may very well harm the Republicans in November. You can't spout off about being 'Constitutional' and then assail the 1st and 14th Amendments.

[Puffin]

Lots of emotion in this. The constitution says they can do anything they want on private property. Common sense says there is enough division in the country, and that this building is a poke in the eye, even 3 blocks removed from the WTC site.
A good business answer would be to take the discussion to a back room and reason it out quietly.
That said, I think the proposed building site is across the street from "The Dolls" strip club. One of the more popular joints of that type in the city. How ironic is that.

[CindyLouWho]

Pictures of construction taking place at Ground Zero on March 12, 2010.  The guy in the orange camo is my dad....the kid with the red backpack is my youngest daughter.  I have pics of construction from April 2009 some place.

[CindyLouWho]

Here is a link to the WTC site construction.  Lots of info and pics of its progress.
http://www.wtc.com/media/images/construction
When I walked through the site in Spring of 2009, they had just finished the subway/transportation underground section.  There was a rest period in construction and people were allowed to walk through for a while.

[Lifetime]

Well, I haven't added my few cents, so here it goes.
 
One.. I want to know more about this Imam. What I have seen so far is that this man "BLAMES" the USA for WTC incident and says we made UBL. This is from recorded statements. I don't know if this was a small part of the whole statement.... kinda like the statement from the Lady who was fired from Dept. of Ag, but.... where is the rebuttal and proof...??
 
Two.... Even Trump has to open the books to financing a project of this size.... So I think the books should be opened on this, especially with monies coming from outside CONUS, HI and AK.
 
Three... I find it interesting that the Muslim Community would have to travel out of the outlying areas...which contains MANY Mosques, to get to this location. Most communities worship in their local houses of Worship and as far as a Community Center.... I do believe there are many Community Centers all over the city and it's suburbs.
 
Four... I also find it interesting that they want to name this complex "CORDOBA". I will let you google the name and how it came to be.
 
What I am seeing is that maybe the Muslim Community is split on this as well and there is a possibility that this may not even come about. I am also not very sympathetic to NYC, and the state of California, to name a few. If they ceased to exist, I don't think I would shead too many tears. To me, they represent a lot of what I do not care for in a society. Now this is a personal thought and I certainly do not want human cost, so don't think me a murderer. I am also, not a Bible Thumper and have been a part of many places of worship as well. I am still looking for a "Religious Home" and have found the confines of my own home to fill all of the Deity needs I have.
 
I don't care if they do build as much as I care about transperancy of their books and activities. Yes I am paranoid to a point but I am of the old school of " Better to ask for forgiveness after, than permission prior." if it means honest security. So I think this all should be examined a bit more than it has been.
 
I do think back in recent history when the circle of friends, brothers and sisters who served, were maimed and the families of those who died, just about begged our Government NOT TO grant WTO status and normalize trade with a country who is still in the hands of those who were part of that harm. We asked but to deaf ears. Our Country now buys clothing and food products from Vietnam ( not my household) and this same country has yet to cooperate fully in information on over 1800 of our people. I know this, as I go to meetings on this matter and the particulars would bore most.
 
All I am saying is that we bend as a nation. Is this to comply to the world or is it to prostate ourselves for preceived shortcomings. Personally I would put our true reputation up against any nation on this blue marble. I do believe that in a world of scales... Good to Bad, we weigh heavily to the good from the heart of our people as a whole to the use of military might... which right now is being used to supply over 50% of the help to the Pakistanies with their floods and even some to the Russians and their fires. We are one of the largest contributors to ANY natural disaster in any country, if they accept it. Not many reciprocate and when they do...never in the same capacity.
 
One more thing.... Since 9-11 the Pentagon has been repaired and a memorial built on the location, Shanksville is in the process of putting their memorial in place.... and it will be finished in the near future.... NYC..... not ONE brick or hole dug after all the controversy on what the memorial will look like, how tall... and the crap keeps rolling. They can't even agree on what properties should be encompassed in this project.... This Mosque would be built BEFORE a Memorial... too many committees, too many cooks in the kitchen and every one of them want a piece of the funds, BEFORE the bricks or holes.  This seems to be a slow work in progress in BABY STEPS. That should have been done years ago.
 
 

[Lifetime]

Something else to check out in all of this...
 
 
http://answersforthefaith.com/2010/08/17/ground-zero-ny-says-no-to-rebuilding-a-church-destroyed-on-911-but-yes-to-the-mosque/

[TiFeMb]

The ads on my screen now are 'the international muslim matrimonial site' and 'quality jilbabs' 
 
It goes back to the 1st Amendment though. If we decide that 'Muslims' can't exist freely here, then who's next, Pentecostals? They are kinda wacko with their literal reading of the bible and all....