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I can agree on this...
« on: March 11, 2011, 07:30:03 AM »
I was not a real fan of Ron Paul but, I think his son sounds a bit better. I can see his frustrations and agree. I disagree with the posts made on the site as to the similarity of abortion and choice of manufactured items. I think,though Abortion is a subject unto itself, that it was frustrations in the Government and laws pretaining to choices made, no matter the scope, as long as it isn't illegal.
 
Toilets that don't work ( unless you put several hundred dollars into the purchase) and illegal purchase of Incands after certain dates is his basis of CHOICE...and the Government making them FOR us.
 
The Government wants to make the choices for us, no matter what we want. Even with gas hitting $4+ a gallon...take a look at the amount of vehicles people bought ( if they had the money) and you will see the desire to buy...large vehicles with large motors. We are not now nor in any real future, wanting to put ourselves and our families in small pregnant rollerskates. Try to pull a small woman's hands of the steering wheel of her Denali or Explorer. They like the height and feel safe. For men it is a Cahones/Power thing. Take a truch FROM a man LOL....
 
I have remarked about my 100 year old cammode. It does what it is suppose to do...the FIRST time. Not like those lower priced ( $150 and below) excuses for toilets we have now. Sure...move up to the $200+ ones if you want the action....but why don't they ALL work??? After all..they have but ONE job. Gitt'er Done and Down!!!!
 
Loss of American Jobs because of OUR GOVERNMENT'S desire to phase out the incandescent bulb (in favor of the TOTALLY CHINESE MADE CFB) is not helping the very problem THEY now see...EMPLOYMENT...and THEY are a cause.
 
I can agree with Rand on this. I had one mother and she is gone...why do I need another one and this "New" one couldn't cook anywhere near as good.
 
 
 
 
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Re: I can agree on this...
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2011, 07:52:06 AM »
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Re: I can agree on this...
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2011, 11:05:09 AM »
We need more politicians like Rand Paul. Not swayed by money to speak up and speak the truth. No run-around here!
All I understood from her is jibberish!
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2011, 11:05:49 AM »
....ya, I chuckled when I read that yesterday....

...."mandated use" to "conserve and save"
??? ....

....I noticed this
slid one way under the the radar when it barely popped up last week-

http://articles.sfgate.com/2011-02-28/bay-area/28638647_1_low-flow-toilets-drinking-water-city-drains


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....on the other hand, TIG is likely about to be be a wanted criminal out on the left coast as every trip over to the commissary on base we stock up on a package or two of incandescent bulbs; not and nor will ever be a CFL-bulb person
, particularly a mandated CFL use >:( - though we are fascinated with the offerings and applicable possibilities of LED bulbs; but then with our life long diversions in the toy train world, we're using the LED experiences in that cosmos to brainstorm and build our own 120v-applicable LEDS....

....and utter SOB that he is, when we remodeled the master-bath, der TIGSTER specifically sought out a high-flow/high volume commode, which due to the design functions of the modern toilet permits a minimum of daily flushes once the offense qualities are adequately submerged; thereby conserving much more water than the loon's falsely-vaunted 'water-saving' crapper....

....but then it does help if one endeavors to be smarter than the run of the mill stool,  as well as the seriously over-hyped/regulated left-coast crapper....

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Re: I can agree on this...
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2011, 02:13:38 PM »
Wait a minute. First, the republicans are always saying they want the government out of our private lives, but they are the ones pushing abortion restrictions; defining marriage only in their judeo-christian mold; and breaking down constitutional barriers to invasion of privacy, searches and seizures, and property rights (eminent domain).

Furthermore, the low-flow toilet law was signed by Bush Sr. in 1992 and the bulb phaseout by Bush Jr. in 1997. Democrats might have passed the legislation, but there was no veto from the republican presidents.

And if you want to add another popular GOP gripe, the EPA, Republican Nixon signed the Clean Water Act.

Don't blame all these on the democrats or the current administration.
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Re: I can agree on this...
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2011, 04:01:48 PM »
 
Whoa Whoa Dude ....I didn't mention PARTIES..... I addressed the need for the GOVERNMENT to decide what kind of light I need to checK what size of job I did in those LOW FLOW TERLETS!!!!
 
FRANKLY... MY DEAR I DON'T GIVE A DAMN.... WHO MADE IT LAW... it is the FACT taht it exists that "frosts my cookies." As far as I can see both parties must have loved this.
 
I personally do not think Abortion and Marriage is not something FORCED on us.... so to me...it ain't part of this subject. Oh and by the way.... I don't think abortion has a place in politics.... it is an individual decision....especially since A LAW was enacted. I say take abortion off the table but... be ready for women with life threatening injury and infection.....
 
Marriage???? It is yet to be shown to me what civilization expanded with same sex relationships. So talk about an idea that definately will need "new recruits".
 
So,let's do the pooper and shine thing on this...huh?? Blame who you want for the "laws" but my contention is WHY DO THEY EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE??
 
 
 
Wait a minute. First, the republicans are always saying they want the government out of our private lives, but they are the ones pushing abortion restrictions; defining marriage only in their judeo-christian mold; and breaking down constitutional barriers to invasion of privacy, searches and seizures, and property rights (eminent domain).

Furthermore, the low-flow toilet law was signed by Bush Sr. in 1992 and the bulb phaseout by Bush Jr. in 1997. Democrats might have passed the legislation, but there was no veto from the republican presidents.

And if you want to add another popular GOP gripe, the EPA, Republican Nixon signed the Clean Water Act.

Don't blame all these on the democrats or the current administration.
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Re: I can agree on this...
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2011, 08:17:26 PM »

Whoa Whoa Dude ....I didn't mention PARTIES..... I addressed the need for the GOVERNMENT to decide what kind of light I need to checK what size of job I did in those LOW FLOW TERLETS!!!!
I didn't mean you, lifetime. The Rand Paul video has him grilling someone from the administration as if obama himself had pushed all this through in the past 2 years.
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Re: I can agree on this...
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2011, 10:03:43 PM »
I'm just wondering when both sides are finally going to start passing some worthwhile  legislation instead of these piddly little pieces that they bother themselves with. And we won't even talk about the pork barrel BS. Tell me when we are going to take better care of our veterans, feed our hungary,take care of the homeless, better insurance, better education,etc.,etc.
I also don't need to be told by them what commode to buy or what type light bulb to use. I know all about these things just from experience. I do the repairs to my home unlike the big politicians who hire all their work done because they can afford to. As a result, they don't have a clue what it takes to install ANYTHING so how can they tell us what to use?  >:(
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2011, 07:39:41 AM »
Lock... I can agree with you on most.... but I see too many times the heartstrings are plucked just by evoking the word "Veterans". Most of the ones who claim the veterans are passed over, don't even understand the Veterans. (Not saying you don't).
 
There are problems with the veterans community but...point in ANY direction other than that and they have problems too. No one is rolling in clover. The point is... Veterans care is at it's pinnicle right now, compared to what we had just 2 decades ago.
 
Go to the web sites and check the STATE OF THE ART prosthesis they get now. Even in the Vietnam era it was basic. My friend feels like he is treated like a King when he gets his replaced. He always looks at them and asks.."Do you know how much these babies cost?" He knows and is in awe. Medical treatments that civilians enjoy now are from the Military.... Not just limbs and other body treatments but treatments for diabetes, and many other diseases, injuries and maladies.
 
Homeless and unemployed.... sign of our times, no matter what group is studied.
 
Homeless.... We hear that there is a larger percentage of Veterans Homeless than the general population... Well..I wish someone would quantify the studies they did before publishing results. The Veterans population is shrinking.... yup..shrinking, so the percentage deal is purely a different way of computing. It is NUMBERS I like to see and accurate ones. 50% of 4 is 2 so if it goes up 50% that is ...6???
 
I have been approached by homeless vets. Some were truly homeless but some were troubled by chemical dependance and behavioral problems. The Homelessness was from other problems that made the situation an indicator and not the base problem. Alcohol and drug use can be treated if recognized by the Vet and those wanting to help. Many times I have personally drove Vets to treatment, only to find them back drinking and imbibing after a 28 day stay, and back without a place to live.
 
What is a HOMELESS? Be sure to ask. I have had one say he was homeless but, he was receiving his Veterans Disability Check at his sisters home because, he was living with her. (He had the sources to move...just not the desire.) Hence he declared himself homeless because he, himself, did not have a home. I have even seen some who declared and find that their spouses Kicked their asses out because of beatings and maltreatment. My point... before you say someone is HOMELESS, understand what put him or her in this situation. Treat the Disease and not the symptom. Add to this fact.... many Veterans, now are on the Seasoned Citizen side and find their situations exacerbated by their offspring/family. The newer Vets do tend to have a lot of emotional baggage as well and in the times we are in, are faced with others wanting them to "instantly" intigrate or face problems with employment and the ability to care for their families. It can be a hard time without knowing where your resourses are and how to use them. There is more infrastructure in place now more than ever before.
 
I had a meeting in Butler with the Heads of our VA Medical system and they are having trouble convincing the Vets from Desert Storm to the present to utilize what IS available. They even use Facebook and Twitter to get them involved. Very few "Sandbox" vets were even at the meeting and in discussion, very few utilize the systems at all. My concern is this.... Most of those at the meeting were of the Vietnam Era and we are dying at a rate of 300+ daily. We will be gone and who will be in place to make sure the WHOLE system is still going to be there and viable for the newer Vets? It is even more imparative, now than ever before, that they, as a group, become involved. The excuses of other War Veterans DO NOT fit today..."I am too busy..I hate those older Vets... My family....I am healthy so I don't need the VA... I will find them WHEN I NEED THEM.... or ... They are just a bunch of Aholes.."
 
The other item I want to address is our perception vs reality. Be careful what you see and hear in the Media. Remember when the Media made remarks about Walter Reed Hospital? The poor conditions of those facilities? The poor care our Veterans are getting.... Well...I agree there was a problem...most medical facilitites do have some. But.... most of what you were shown were "transient" facilities. Temporary quarters used maybe a day or so before transfer (AFTER they were treated and now going to another facility closer to home for therapy and final treatments.) I have stayed in "Transient" facilities and because they were just that, no one was interested in the upkeep of that facility. The other side of the articles is, the MEDIA hasn't a clue of the difference in a Military Hospital and a Veterans Hospital. Two different systems. One treats active duty and the other VETERANS. One is DoD and the other VA. It has been a long time since I utilized a DoD Hospital but I use the VA now and know..it is a greatly improved system from what I got back in the 70s.
 
Sure, there are problems... even the best Medical Facilities in the private sector has it's share. Just don't think that when you read of one..it is indicative of the WHOLE.
 
In my own experience... there has never been a system in place for Veterans as good as what we have now. The Veteran NEEDS to find the resources by asking questions of those involved. I wish I had the internet when I got out. I will tell you this... Veterans need to do their own research as well. DO NOT expect ANYONE to jump out at you, upon your "declaration" you are a Veteran and offer you the "Yellow Brick Road". You have to seek it yourself. Don't sit on your ass and wait....it may be a long one. The instruments are out there.... Veterans were trained to be seekers and doers. Be involved with older Vets...Most have been in your shoes already. Most know the pipeline.
 
To those who think our Veterans are mistreated as a group... ask questions first. Granted.... not a group of people like them... to accept a job that separates them from loved ones for pay most wouldn't accept. To work in conditions and hours most would say no to. To do things that most couldn't.... yes ...unique, but still human and one of us. If serving is not a good thing..I see many volunteers going in. Granted ...economics is a factor but... as they keep reenlisting or rising in rank..both enlisted and officer...they have opportunities to better themselves...many with college degrees and Management knowhow. They could walk away from the military life, but many choose to stay and retire and when they do come out...seek and receive positions and responsiblity in the civilian and public workforce. It isn't all bad.
 
Ok..off the box
 
 
 
 
 
I'm just wondering when both sides are finally going to start passing some worthwhile  legislation instead of these piddly little pieces that they bother themselves with. And we won't even talk about the pork barrel BS. Tell me when we are going to take better care of our veterans, feed our hungary,take care of the homeless, better insurance, better education,etc.,etc.
I also don't need to be told by them what commode to buy or what type light bulb to use. I know all about these things just from experience. I do the repairs to my home unlike the big politicians who hire all their work done because they can afford to. As a result, they don't have a clue what it takes to install ANYTHING so how can they tell us what to use?  >:(
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Re: I can agree on this...
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2011, 10:01:15 AM »
Thank you Lifetime for pointing out a lot of unknown info to us. I know you have a big handle on what is going on with our vets and for that I don't only thank you for your service, I thank you for looking out for the veterns.
It seems like, and I know they did, but our Nam vets seemed to have gotten a very big portion of the sh*t stick during and after their arrival back home. no accolades when they returned like it was all their fault. The "sandbox" men got heroic welcomes when they returned and rightfully so.
It just seems like this government doesn't give a damn for any thing but their own "golden Parachute" and everything else can kiss their *ss. I really don't want to belong to either party. They are a disgrace to us and our founding fathers. Thanks again Lifetime.
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2011, 01:41:36 PM »
I also don't need to be told by them what commode to buy or what type light bulb to use.
And then there's this angle: Gov't. tax credits for energy-efficiency.

If consumers buy an Energy Star-approved efficient appliance like a washing machine, they can get an energy tax credit on their taxes. Meanwhile, the manufacturer also gets a tax credit of about $200 for producing it -- paying for both ends of the manufacturing and sale.

Thanks to this, i believe it's Maytag that has so much booked in tax credits that they will have no federal tax bill at all for this year and possibly a few more.

This, of course, is the asterisk in the debate about the "oppressive" "job-killing" U.S. business tax rate. The official rate is high by world standards -- 35%. BUT, the average effective tax rate for all businesses is about 16%, thanks to things like tax credits. Some of our biggest companies pay zero, while less-fortunate others pay closer to the full rate.

Politicians who want to cut the rate in half often conveniently want to keep the various tax credits and deductions, too.

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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2011, 02:23:07 PM »
Which raises an interesting point Jay - why is the system as Byzantine as t is?
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2011, 04:01:32 PM »
Well it is a fact the US tax rate for businesses is among the highest it the world. The US tax code is something like 70,000 pages as of this writing. So is 70,000 pages of tax code enough or should we let it continue to bloat? Kind of tough answer. If we simplify it then we create a population of unemployed tax attorneys. :huh:

Having spent the first two years of my working life in the news business I can attest that it's all about the numbers. If you don't think that something cannot be sensationalized and blown out of proportion read this page. Anyhow it's all about the money. Now I work in the other end of the media business providing a common ground for the media and people they do business with to meet on. That's a nebulous way to describe it, but it's accurate.


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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2011, 09:05:35 PM »
Now tell me Light Bulbs and commodes get Energy Star Ratings...  :D
 
 
I don't remember who did a report on the use of Energy Star labels but in the report... 2 things were brought out... the Label didn't always indicate the true savings if any and the increase in the cost of the item tagged can be a NON issue in the end. Kinda like "The Worlds Largest Shoe Store" or "THE WORLD’S LARGEST
OFF-PRICE FASHION STORE". Who Checked these claims???
 
I look at what I can afford as well as the quality for the cash... If something with the Energy Star Label isn't on it... it is no never mind to me. My discretionary income is my Label.
 
I also don't need to be told by them what commode to buy or what type light bulb to use.
And then there's this angle: Gov't. tax credits for energy-efficiency.

If consumers buy an Energy Star-approved efficient appliance like a washing machine, they can get an energy tax credit on their taxes. Meanwhile, the manufacturer also gets a tax credit of about $200 for producing it -- paying for both ends of the manufacturing and sale.

Thanks to this, i believe it's Maytag that has so much booked in tax credits that they will have no federal tax bill at all for this year and possibly a few more.

This, of course, is the asterisk in the debate about the "oppressive" "job-killing" U.S. business tax rate. The official rate is high by world standards -- 35%. BUT, the average effective tax rate for all businesses is about 16%, thanks to things like tax credits. Some of our biggest companies pay zero, while less-fortunate others pay closer to the full rate.

Politicians who want to cut the rate in half often conveniently want to keep the various tax credits and deductions, too.
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2011, 09:18:28 PM »
Thank you and no one needs to thank anyone in my eyes. When I got out of the Military, my main goal was to get my ass back to work. I never even thought of parades or accolades. Having traveled many times back and forth between Vietnam and other Duty Stations, I never encountered being spit on or called names. I am not saying it never happened....just never to me. Luckily I was able to come home and sanes 2 years unemployed, I worked until I retired. I had my share of problems but.... I had other priorities to deal with...Wife, Son and home. I never blamed anyone for my shortcomings but me. This is why I am not going to be totally sympathetic to a Vet until I know the whole story and not just what was told to me. The system is full of BS Artists.
 
The Government has it's issues as well but...if you don't vote...don't bitch and if you do vote...don't let that be the extent of your involvement. Both ways are just ways of "halfstepping".
 
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Thank you Lifetime for pointing out a lot of unknown info to us. I know you have a big handle on what is going on with our vets and for that I don't only thank you for your service, I thank you for looking out for the veterns.
It seems like, and I know they did, but our Nam vets seemed to have gotten a very big portion of the sh*t stick during and after their arrival back home. no accolades when they returned like it was all their fault. The "sandbox" men got heroic welcomes when they returned and rightfully so.
It just seems like this government doesn't give a damn for any thing but their own "golden Parachute" and everything else can kiss their *ss. I really don't want to belong to either party. They are a disgrace to us and our founding fathers. Thanks again Lifetime.
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