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[Lifetime]

Aside from your pleasure of their "NEW" and "IMPROVED location...I find it interesting that you DON'T see the United Way as the MIDDLEMAN in it's structure.... They are the ones who get the donations from the givers and decide how much to give to the receivers...that is unless people directly instruct them to give their donation to a particular charity. Never understood that...the givers could have given the money to the receivers on their own and skip having part of the money going to what..... administrative overhead of the middleman. If this isn't true, 'splain me Lucy" about $280,000 annually in cost to run the UW as well as overhead of bricks and mortar.
 
What I have seen is that if the Givers donate to a Receiver then the Receivers share of the UW funds is decreased almost said amount. So the Crux for now...if the cash goes to a central fund, and it comes up short... it comes up short for all Nons who are on the list to receive.
 
I, for one...if I donated...would give directly to the NON and if there is admin fees, at least it would be THEIR admin. If I am wrong in this thought, someone feel free to correct me. I know the big NONS have a payroll and since the UW does too...why would I want to pay the fee twice?
 
And Jayhawk is right.... there is a non-kosher smell in this boards actions. And to boot...a top member resigns... The Herald is the only place we have to read about it but if Mr. Ream is a sitting member or Admin of the UW, he would know the skinny... other wise his source of info is just as "flawed" as the rest of us. A "He said, She said" kinda thing.
 
Like a kidney stone, all of this will pass and I am sure the annual reports will be made a front page item in the Herald... The UW Goals Charts are nice. I think they may reflect the outcome of the recent decisions...so...we sit and wait.
 
What I have noticed since I was young is that CHARITY started in the Church and the hearts of individual citizens. Now it is a full blown business. They need CEOs and some sort of staff and structure as well as assorted bean counters. Too many hands/financial decisions for free money to pass through for my liking. I will watch as this plays out.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I wouldn't measure success by dollars raised just for helping sake, I would measure success by the amount of donations for local citizens in distress the donations AID and not just aiding disaster stricken areas or feeding the children of africa like any other non-profit organiztion ie. the Red Cross.

I think there is something wrong with labeling the UW as an unnecessary "middleman". Being located in a more populated city with a higher traffic volume allows for many more donations to be collected. It will be more visible in Hermitage compared to its location in Sharon. Your in denial if you think otherwise.

[Less Ream]

Well then EVERY SINGLE NON-PROFIT is technically a middleman and according to you, there isn't any need for any of them...   Hell, any church is a middleman by your definition because when i donate to my church, the church has to pay its overhead costs (heating in a big church is very high, electric, etc) before it uses the donations to help those in need. There are less administrative fees (given that the priest doesn't have an income from donations and most do) in a church.

Haven't any of you ever heard the saying,
LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION!

yes 20,000 cars at 35mph, WILL INCREASE VISIBILITY!!! And maybe Hogans Heros can ask for a donation on behalf of the UW being as it is right next door...Maybe a little more creativity is necessary in our rough economic time too .

Why are Dave George and Mike Walton so opposed to this move? Is it really a problem with the relocation or just the new location?
AND WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO LET THE UW RENT FOR FREE IN THIS ECONOMY??? Im absolutely certain that if the board could have found a new location, free of charge, they would have voted to move to that location. I didn't read about any plaza/office owners offering a space to rent for free, so maybe we shouldn't be so critical of the boards decisions.

Too many leaks in the roof, mold in the basement, fees to pay the city if construction/remodeling were to occur, that drive the price to stay at the current location up up up. IT would cost about $400,000 to repair the current location. Contractor already looked at it and gave THAT estimate. And yes I attended the board meetings So shut ur big yappers!!!

And if everyone here is so hell bent on helping sharon, buy a damn newspaper, digital or paper!!! I've heard about enough of you people complain about businesses moving out of sharon. They are moving because they are not profitting!!!
 
And enough about Courtney Saylor. Saylor is a shoddy reporter at best and just another mud slinger at worst. Saylor couldn't even get the name of the new plaza location right after TWO FRONT PAGE ARTICLES.

[Jayhawk]

...I find it interesting that you DON'T see the United Way as the MIDDLEMAN in it's structure.... Never understood that...the givers could have given the money to the receivers on their own and skip having part of the money going to what...

Oh, i can appreciate the concept of a middleman conducting a single fund drive that eliminates donors being bombarded by two dozen separate ones, each with their own fundraising expenses. It's good in theory, and those who have a strong affection for a particular charity may still donate directly.

[Jayhawk]

Haven't any of you ever heard the saying,
LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION!

yes 20,000 cars at 35mph, WILL INCREASE VISIBILITY!!!

Prime location comes with prime rates -- $12+ a sq ft per year vs. 4 or 5 if they had moved in with the food warehouse in sharon.

And maybe Hogans Heros can ask for a donation on behalf of the UW being as it is right next door.

Seriously, do you think a coffee can on the counter in a sub shop is going to increase donations by the $36,000 more it will cost each year to rent?

Why are Dave George and Mike Walton so opposed to this move? Is it really a problem with the relocation or just the new location?

i dunno. After all, who died and put them in charge of the board. Oh, wait, the board elected them as officers.

Perhaps they were annoyed at it being billed as a more-central location, since it isn't.

AND WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO LET THE UW RENT FOR FREE IN THIS ECONOMY???

Any property owner who would rather have a modest tax write-off than continue to sit with an empty building. Have you walked up and down state street in sharon lately?

Im absolutely certain that if the board could have found a new location, free of charge, they would have voted to move to that location. I didn't read about any plaza/office owners offering a space to rent for free, so maybe we shouldn't be so critical of the boards decisions.

Well, that would have really been controversial, then, if they turned down free. Actually, i'm told a business owner offered them free space -- in hermitage no less -- but it was allegedly declined because it was too small.

Too many leaks in the roof, mold in the basement, fees to pay the city if construction/remodeling were to occur, that drive the price to stay at the current location up up up. IT would cost about $400,000 to repair the current location. Contractor already looked at it and gave THAT estimate. And yes I attended the board meetings So shut ur big yappers!!!

Just how was the building allowed to progress to that state of repair? What will it cost to maintain or repair the building until it can be disposed of -- if there aren't deed restrictions against selling it.

And "fees to pay the city" for construction. Ah, come on. That's all ya got? A couple hundred dollars for a building permit? How much exactly is the "stipend" to Sylvan going to be to force them out of the new quarters, and what renovations will it take to adapt the new home?

I've heard about enough of you people complain about businesses moving out of sharon. They are moving because they are not profitting!!!

So the UW hasn't made its goal in years because it's based in Sharon. Duly noted. Will watch next year's results for confirmation of that hypothesis.

[Less Ream]

"Looks like this ones got a little fight in em..."
 
Jayhawk- Obviously enough people agreed that it was the right decision to move. Its water under the bridge now so just get over it because it is happening.

What do you want some recognition, here..."Let it be known in this decree that Jayhawk objects to the motion to move, hahaha.   "

[JimV]

"Looks like this ones got a little fight in em..."
 
Jayhawk- Obviously enough people agreed that it was the right decision to move. Its water under the bridge now so just get over it because it is happening.

What do you want some recognition, here..."Let it be known in this decree that Jayhawk objects to the motion to move, hahaha.   "

If this is the best response you have, then even you must be in agreement that Jayhawk completely demolished your talking points.
 
And the questioning and discontent over this move run FAR deeper than a few talkers on an internet message board.  If the fact that the UW was forced earlier this week to hold an "emergency meeting" for the purpose of "damage control" doesn't prove that, I don't know what does!
 
(Then again, I only know of said meeting due to the reporting of a certain "shoddy reporter" slash "mudslinger".  Again, your lame attempts at killing the messenger show you've got nothing.)

[Less Ream]

 
If this is the best response you have, then even you must be in agreement that Jayhawk completely demolished your talking points.
 
And the questioning and discontent over this move run FAR deeper than a few talkers on an internet message board.  If the fact that the UW was forced earlier this week to hold an "emergency meeting" for the purpose of "damage control" doesn't prove that, I don't know what does!

1)Hermitage has greater Visibility than Sharon for the UW.
2)The current Sharon location is in dismay.
3)No business offered free rent to the UW.
4)"No Damage Control Meeting" was held, just a vote on the meeting minutes.
 
Those are my points and Im sticking to em.

How far deep does the discontent run again? Far enough to get a couple articles in the paper, big whoop. All I see is a few cry babies pointing the finger and calling the Herald. The only success the Herald should claim is questioning the integrity of the board. And all of you read the article and went right along like Sheep doubting the integrity of the board. BAAAAD SHEEPLE!!!!
 
A few are whining about the move because they think they are right. Why would somebody quit and jump ship instead of sticking around to make sure the boat doesn't sink? Good riddance to the coward that quit the board. You were dead weight anyways. Nobody else on the board sees the UW failing because of this decision. The majority of the board remains positive that the move will be a success. The herald and a few sheep think otherwise.

[Lifetime]

Well Guys and Gals... (Other than Mr. or Mrs. Ream) What'cha think of the Feisty upstart now?
 
I am still looking for another CREDIBLE source on this UW than the Herald and the "Ream Picayune Report". I am not saying the Herald is all that but..... between the two...only one has more readership and DA NEW GUY/GAL is quick to shower us with names and "in your endos".
 
Again...there is more of a story here than what card have been laid on the table. Time will bear this out and since it seems to be a lock... we can see in a year(annual report), just how successful this "move" was.
 
Another thing comes to mind, to those of us from the old Herald Forum... didn't we have a "member" who acted much like Mr/Mrs. Ream?? I can't remember the "Moniker" but the style seems similar...Hmmmmmm thinking Grove City or even Philly Home Town???

[Less Ream]

Wow lifetime I love how you wrote "it seems to be a lock". It's water under the bridge. You need a credible source? Go find one of the board members yourself. But since you are not inclined to seek out answers for yourself, you will wait on your duff for a year until Courtney Saylor decides that it is time to feed the sheep a tasty helping of doubt and fear towards local institutions/municipalities. Thats what sells newspapers, at least to paranoid shut-ins convinced the writing on this forum makes waves in the real world.

[Jayhawk]

3)No business offered free rent to the UW.

No lawyers, either?

Why would somebody quit and jump ship instead of sticking around to make sure the boat doesn't sink? Good riddance to the coward that quit the board. You were dead weight anyways.

Because he was dismayed with the direction the board was going and wanted no part of it. Dead weight? The chairman of the board and former head of the northern area UW was dead weight?

How far deep does the discontent run again?

Well, three of the top officers -- the chairman, vice chairman and treasurer -- were against it. All dead weight, no doubt.

Jayhawk- Obviously enough people agreed that it was the right  decision to move. Its water under the bridge now so just get over it  because it is happening.

What do you want some recognition, here..."Let it be known in this decree that Jayhawk objects to the motion to move, hahaha.   "

I don't want recognition, but for someone who has given through payroll deduction for nearly 3 decades and have increased my donation in 2 of the past 4 years, it's fair to say i am a stakeholder in the organization. Not a big one by any stretch, but i'm not a disinterested party.

My view is that the move and the increase in administrative costs and and the corresponding decrease in program outlays is ill-advised and its explanation and  what little justification has been given is incomplete and unconvincing.

i'm reminded when the spotlight was on the national UW and its lavish administrative expenses, the local agency went out of its way to explain how they kept overhead so low. A form of that controversy now afflicts the local agency.

It's the kind of distraction from mission that makes donors think twice. Thank goodness, however, any loss will be offset by the increased contributions that will come from having a window sign along a busy highway.

[Lifetime]

I wrote " it seems to be a lock" ? Where? I and many here in the Forum as well as radio (Ron Errett Show) seems to think there is more to this story. If anything, you seem to think it is over and done with. If so, why do you stay here? I believe you stated  "Those are my points and I'm sticking to em . " This is a
 
FORUM...A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.
 
 You seem to not want discussion, but a total belief of what you say. We have no idea who you are, where from or..better yet..a UW Board Member???
 
Most of us in here have been here a while and me...I was born and live in Sharon, on my 7th decade, and living in my second home here since 1971. I have watched the changes in Sharon and the rest of the Valley...yup..Sharon has 14,038 people living here but Hermitage has maybe a bit over 2000 more.... not a ton of difference in total. Yes, Hermitage looks pretty ...in some places, but the UW doesn't need to look pretty... It needs to fulfill their mission and it has been falling short as of late. So, now spend more to what??? Make more?? Most of the others know me and some even meet to discuss face to face. I know I don't know you and I would bet none of the others know much about you as well. As far as I know, you are trolling... nothing more.
 
So, I do believe there is more to this and it will surface later. I also do not know you and can't even verify what you say...and from what you have stated "You need a credible source? Go find one of the board members yourself." ....are we to believe you did that as well???
 
If indeed, the top 3 officers "vacated" I have to wonder the WHY? Usually they are in that position to make sure the ORG stays viable and not leave unless the roof is caving in. So many questions and not enough answers.
 
So, Less, forgive us if we are sceptical of the actions of the UW board as well as wonder about you as well. You just popped in and started on us... names like SHEEP and questioning our intelligence... Good way to join a group of people just discussing topics.   
 
 
 
 

Wow lifetime I love how you wrote "it seems to be a lock". It's water under the bridge. You need a credible source? Go find one of the board members yourself. But since you are not inclined to seek out answers for yourself, you will wait on your duff for a year until Courtney Saylor decides that it is time to feed the sheep a tasty helping of doubt and fear towards local institutions/municipalities. Thats what sells newspapers, at least to paranoid shut-ins convinced the writing on this forum makes waves in the real world.

[Jayhawk]

If indeed, the top 3 officers "vacated" I have to wonder the WHY?

As far as i know, only the chairman quit the board. The others merely opposed the office move.

[Lifetime]

Ok my bad, but.... the top 3 aren't in any agreement but for OPPOSING Still has an "odor" I think.
 
 

If indeed, the top 3 officers "vacated" I have to wonder the WHY?

As far as i know, only the chairman quit the board. The others merely opposed the office move.