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[CindyLouWho]

Yeah - but do I have to do the beard?

afraid so lol

[Zipper]

Well, I think it's a good idea to know how to do it raw also. It's the same for solving a math problem or using a calculator. Much easier (and quicker) to use the calculator, but the substance is in knowing the math.

[Lifetime]

I would have to wonder where we would be at without the Abacus right up to the Computer.... There is ALWAYS a need for faster and more efficient.... I wonder where our society would be at this moment without the electronic wonders...
 
 

Well, I think it's a good idea to know how to do it raw also. It's the same for solving a math problem or using a calculator. Much easier (and quicker) to use the calculator, but the substance is in knowing the math.

[Zipper]

I would have to wonder where we would be at without the Abacus right up to the Computer.... There is ALWAYS a need for faster and more efficient.... I wonder where our society would be at this moment without the electronic wonders...

You see it in the photos above. That's where we would all be. Meetings in the barns, hitching up the horses to ride to the store for goods. Unified community and neighbors all lending a helping hand.

Sometimes I laugh because computers are supposed to make things more efficient... until you get a glitch or a virus, or a program that's not working quite right.. or even a slow connection or a dropped call.

Good and bad.

[Lifetime]

I would have to wonder where we would be at without the Abacus right up to the Computer.... There is ALWAYS a need for faster and more efficient.... I wonder where our society would be at this moment without the electronic wonders...

You see it in the photos above. That's where we would all be. Meetings in the barns,
 
Meetings for what purpose? Church? What...you don't do meetings in your life?
 
 hitching up the horses to ride to the store for goods.
 
Use the key and start the motor..Wally World Down theroad....
 
 Unified community and neighbors all lending a helping hand.
 
Unified? The communities of the same sect in different locations are very different if you get o compare... PA Amish and those in Indiana are NOT unified. Any person with compassion would help...

Sometimes I laugh because computers are supposed to make things more efficient... until you get a glitch or a virus,
And the Horses don't get sick, no viruses in the small livestock, and communications is either a horse back ride to the nextfarm or...finding a phone at an English Home or ever decreasing Phone Booths.
 
or a program that's not working quite right.. or even a slow connection or a dropped call.

Good and bad.

Again... I would rather clean up a program than dig a hole for a dead horse... done that and not all that neat.
 
No offensebut their lifestyle looks good in photos and picture post cards, but not something I am interested in living.... again... just me I guess.

[NightmarePatrol]

I had a number of friends that lived in the bush of Alaska. No roads leading to their place, no electricity, no running water, no TV and on a clear night maybe an AM radio station.  It's romantic, it's cool and it takes a LOT of effort to survive. As nice as the lifestyle is it's more work than I would like to do voluntarily do on a daily basis.

[CindyLouWho]

I wouldn't want to do much of it either but I think Zips right....it would be a smart thing to at least know how to do a bit of it.  The way things are going in this world it might be nice for our kiddos to know too. 

[NightmarePatrol]

I can just see me trying get anybody else in the family to use a log peeler. It' makes me giggle inside. There's so many things that we have forgotten to do (or never passed down) that we would totally collapse if the "grid" went down. I haven't seen mason jars in the stores anywhere and to tell you the truth I don't really know how to can anything.  Most of the grocery stores have a few days worth of food for the areas they serve. If the oil stopped flowing today we'd have at best 2 weeks to say our good byes here and then we'd be off trying to figure out how to stay alive. The existing animal population would be decimated quickly by hunting for those who had a means to get to where we could hunt.

In short the "grid" in its extended for is a very fragile thing with a huge task to perform.

So the Nissan leaf, good idea as long as you have electricity and some place to dispose of it when it falls into an irreparable state, those batteries aren't exactly green.