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Re: School budgets hacked
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2011, 09:40:37 AM »
My take on the lost jobs thingie...
 
Maybe, just maybe, we never needed all those jobs or, here is another thought... we are getting more "advasnced". Jobs in the Auto industry have been "robotized". Man doesn't pait the vehicles by hand anymore or even spot weld. "Robbie" does it...and he doesn't have a problem with health issues from paint fumes and flash burns. As we advance in technology... less people will be working puting tab a in slot b. And as far as class sizes.... who set that standard??? Have you sat in a College class in some school..Private or State...and counted all the heads in those classes?? Well more than the norm in k-12 and you are paying a ton for that "priviledge". When my son attended PSU Shenango...they had big classes and get this.... the Professor was in State College and his classes were televised...what was the combined class size in that arrangement? Maybe be we have too many teachers and maybe what we have isn't as efficient as we think. Why is it that teachers need credentials to teach and parents doing Home School... well you figure it out.
 
When I was in school, we didn't have a DOE http://www.ed.gov/
 
I believe it came about under the Carter Admin. and now has a staff of approx 4000 http://www.bls.gov/oco/cg/cgs041.htm and an annual budget of almost $70 Billion. I know they gave Pell grant and help..Hell my son got a whole $100 woth of help. Good job.
 
Well we managed to get college ejumacated and... oh yes...we worked hard in industry but..didn't the Internet, the PC ( remember Gore invented the internet) and a hell of a lot of medical break-throughs happened from those who weren't strapped with the DOE? So in my eyes... we had 4000 people to find a job for and BINGO!. DOE. Now that is just one Department... lets look at the others..Oh that's right.. NASA is being "Downsized" as we speak. And the Russians are doing the heavy lifting with China about to trash our pitiful standing of 14-15th in the list of good educational systems. Tell me again why I have to worry?
 
We go to school/college to learn more things, better ways of doing them efficiently in cost and manpower and now we are crying because teachers/manufacturers and Government employees are given a pink.... kinda weird...don'tcha think??
 
IMHO
 
Stepping off my soapbox now... Ya'll have a good day now, ya hear.  ;)
 
 
Do away with gov't schools? Even the catholic schools are closing left and right and, in the case of the valley, consolidating. Some have around 10 kids per grade level. And if private schools did drain away more public students, would the public schools keep humming along with the same overhead costs that they'd have if they had 1,000 students or 2,000 students.

 
Here we have more and more Parents Home Schooling...Private Schooling...and Charter Schooling....so Government Schools keep humming along with 1,000 and not 2,000...NO...Close Them...we here have a heavy cost to the School System form the Illegal's...same with the Hospitals...
 
So if you consolidate all the districts...are you not losing JOBS...which I am for to save money...is that not going the wrong way in that area...don't you want to create more jobs...
 
Is not your Local Property Tax include a School Tax which is based on the Value of your Property??? Mil Rate...property value...School Taxes...so it would seem that the ones that are working and trying to make a better life for their self's and their families...again take care of the one's that Don't and Won't...so by consolidating you are going after the one's that have???
 
Now the answer is to consolidate...OK...and if that does not work...what's next...instead of two districts that do not know how to budget and or spend you have multiple districts....
 
It is all about saving tax payer money...I am with you on that...if that is really what will happen...
 
Take Ford....doing well and did not take any Government Monies...on the other hand Chevy and Chrysler (we see how that government monies were used at lunch time with some @ Chrysler) were failing...the Government or should I say we bailed them out...should we of not just made Ford Consolidate with the other Two...
 
What I am trying to say is that if you take bad and mix it with good it does not alway come out for the better...so fix the problems with in first then talk consolidate...JMO... ;D ...
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Re: School budgets hacked
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2011, 08:19:18 PM »
So if you consolidate all the districts...are you not losing JOBS... ...don't you want to create more jobs...
I can't believe i'm the one who has to point this out (where are the arch conservatives when you need them)? It is not the role of government to create unnecessary jobs just for the sake of creating jobs.

If there are more teachers, janitors, bus drivers, etc. than the student enrollment needs, then that's one of the ways you can cut costs.
 
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School Taxes...so it would seem that the ones that are working and trying to make a better life for their self's and their families...again take care of the one's that Don't and Won't...so by consolidating you are going after the one's that have???
No, you're looking out for them if you can keep their taxes from getting higher.
 
What I am trying to say is that if you take bad and mix it with good it does not alway come out for the better...so fix the problems with in first then talk consolidate..
It has nothing to do with mixing bad with good. These are districts with adjoining attendance areas that are building and remodeling increasingly underused buildings.

If one has 19 and 17 and 18 in third grade classrooms and the other as 13 and 14, that's the same as 20 20 20 and 21 in one building. Get into upper grades and and if they are even able to offer certain AP courses, chances are you've got two schools each with only a handful of students in that classroom.

And just look at the automakers you referred to. Do they not strive to cut costs by consolidating or closing factories when they have excess capacity?
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Re: School budgets hacked
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2011, 06:15:56 AM »
so the ones that Have...must look out for the ones that Have Not...
I think you're reading into this that it's a matter of some rich district bailing out a poor district. The only real have-not here is having not enough students to exist as a stand-alone K-12 district when you consider that similar districts are almost within walking distance.
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