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PA Jobs
« on: October 29, 2007, 08:48:01 AM »
Pennsylvania offered hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars in financial aid to businesses each year provided they create a certain number of new jobs. Evidently these companies did not fulfill their end of the bargin.

So what is it going to take to get jobs back into PA? It this a sign of the times or has the PA business environment become unappealing to the corporate world?
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Re: PA Jobs
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2007, 08:56:12 AM »
im thinking global warming is the state's best chance to get folks back in to the area...  brrrr.... :D

really, i have no idea what the problem is here, mr bh's brother said its a hostile area for business but im not sure exactly why...

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Re: PA Jobs
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2007, 09:06:08 AM »
I know that Meadville and Crawford County have specifically has screwed up a shot at a Miller Brewery and a Cummins engine plant. I don't know what else Crawford County has goofed on but I can imagine that at the state scale must be pretty horrific.
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2007, 09:51:10 AM »
When I was working up in Erie for (big corporation to remain nameless) I got an inside look at what was happening in the area, and it is not pretty. First of all, instead of hiring employees for the long hall, (big corporation to remain nameless) & it's parts suppliers hire "contractors" to do a lot of the work. No benefits, no long term contract, & in my case broke the contract they signed. So people coming in from the "outside" have no incentive whatsoever to take these temporary jobs. In my case I took the chance & got burned. I am back on my feet now but moving to NW PA & then getting laid off is not something that looks good & I wasn't the only one. I worked with people from as far away as Illinois that knew every day they could get canned.
On top of that, (big corporation to remain nameless) hammmers their suppliers on cost & the local tool & die folks and the mom & pop suppliers have to compete with cut-throuat tactics by the Chinese & Indian suppliers. Even though the product is substandard & often has to be scrapped, the buyers use these suppliers because in the short term they look good (remember, they are short term contractors). Then, when they need GOOD parts QUICK, they go to the local suppliers, (small corporation to remain nameless) and strong arm them into meeting the overseas suppliers pricing which has no basis in reality.
So the local companies are running on a shoestring but they only have a couple of big factories to supply, so they just eke along & can't expand (IE hire people).
I imagine most businesses are aware of this practice because all the suppliers talk to each other.
At another place I worked (after getting laid off) they promised me benefits after 3 months & guess what? THEY LIED! I realized once I was in that they had a high turnover rate because nothing was ever "completed". I took pride in the fact that I cleaned everything (IT wise) and documented everything but I needed benefits for my kids. It was so bad I had them on CHIP.
Then I went to a local college (in Meadville, to remain nameless) that again promised me that I would be "IT" and that I would have access to this & that and the next thing. They also paid me HALF of what I was making in Florida. Then they apologized, but I would not have any IT access and essentially I was a secretary. NP, I couldn't even ADD A PRINTER on my machine, I had to call the helpdesk & have a STUDENT do it! Then all the women in the office hated me because they wanted a woman hired  ???. Then I started looking for another job in Florida! (I am dense, but after 3 strikes...I caught on).
I had people that I went to high school with (30 years ago!) who lived next to my director. He told me that when they had dinner together they would tell him about all my "escapades" back then. (what they knew anyhow  8) ) One of these "kids" was a local politician/lawyer who just got caught with his hand in ther company cookie jar. Takes a real genius to steal from LAWYERS. At least my indescretions were youthful & I learned from my mistakes.
All this and I GREW UP THERE. Imagine what it looks like to people from the outside world that are used to professionalism & business ethics. So there is a lack of skilled workers, businesses treat workers like dirt and the workers themselves are so beat down they have to tear each other up just to tread water.
I really don't want to sound mean or mad, but I swear all this is the gospel truth. I worked my *SS off for 15 months, 2 jobs at a time & I still would have went bankrupt if I wouldn't have left. And all I got was this stupid T shirt  ;D
Add into this mix the attacks you see over on hey mookie & you wonder why businesses & people stay away? I know a lot of REALLY great people in NW PA but that is overshadowed by the few who still have the "you ain't from around here" attitude.
That's why I like this forum. It is a real healing process to talk to caring, smart individuals who are genuinely concerned about their family & their community. I sometimes wish I would have met y'all on this forum before I moved & things might have worked out differently.

It's been kinda slow, I thought I would post a few words for the google spider.... :o
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Re: PA Jobs
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2007, 11:26:34 AM »
Ouch.

That was quite a post! Feel better now?

I would have bailed after that experience. But like you said finding quality employment there is a problem. I think what I find most bizarre is that Meadville is located relatively equidistant from Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Buffalo. Real estate is relatively inexpensive as is the cost of goods and services.  Sure the weather sucks and that can't be changed. With the ability for so many companies to  operate from remote locations I'm surprised that Meadville has not capitalized on this. Des Moines, Iowa took on a bunch of companies that wanted out of the Silicon Valley last year because it was too expensive to operate there. They then had to hire people in Des Moines. They also had to being in talent from the outside to fill some gaps.

Meadville was built on the manufacturing industry. Industry is what sustains a good part of the city now. Have the city planners, COC or other powers that be looke into perhaps wooing another type of business. Maybe having the communications infrastructure beefed up a little there and attracting some company that can operate in this manner?

I agree that there is a responsibility to the people that live there that need to find gainfull non-cyclic employment, but it's not like Meadville has to be a one-trick pony either.

I wonder if any government people visit this site? Probably not.  :-\
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Re: PA Jobs
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2007, 02:06:26 PM »
ya know tife, what you have described is a paradigm i heard described before. you are not crazy or making it up. mr bh's brother is from the space coast in florida, he just met mr bh aboout 4 years ago, he was puzzled about the state of manufacturing in this area. the fact that so much talent was from here but that the businesses were so not like real businesses  ???( his brother worked for ibm, nasa, state of florida, senators, bla bla, bla.. and several other international space based agencies so he has some real world experience)  he finally said he just couldnt figure out what the hell was going on around here....   
i guess we have been lucky to have been able to thrive here. i feel so bad tifemb, it is nice to be able  to stay in your hometown, but not under those circumstances. i wish it would have been different for you. you all come up and visit. you and your family are welcome here at our home any time!! 
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2007, 03:24:43 PM »
Thanks BH80s, it's nice to get confirmation that it wasn't all a bad dream (wait, it was!)
We didn't mind the weather at all. Both of us grew up around lake erie & had winter birthdays so we had to learn to drive with 2 REAR wheel drive! I had a blast blowing past 4 wheel drive trucks in my altima, then seeing the look on their face when they saw my Fl plates.
NP, I do feel better now  ;D
It's just incredible how inept the city government seems.
There is a HUGE dark fiber network that follows the railroad tracks between Buffalo & Cleveland, & the idiots in Erie can't figure out how to use it to bring businesses there. I worked for a consulting firm up there for a while & had a lot of ideas but got shot down by everyone else who didn't think of the idea. I really tried to transform everything I touched up there.
BH80's: I will keep that offer in mind... :)
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Re: PA Jobs
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2008, 11:07:58 AM »
Currently I am not working ~ had to "semi-retire" several years ago when illness hit me.  I do plan on returning to the workforce if and when I get better but not even sure where to begin in this area.   

I do know that I am under qualified for most anything now, unless I want a job in retail or fast food.   I have experience and lots of it but no papers to prove it.   That will make a difference in the long run.

Did anyone see this article in the Times News on Friday?


Our population drops
Erie, Crawford counties part of northwestern Pennsylvania trend

By George Miller
george.miller@timesnews.com

The populations of Erie and Crawford counties continue to slide along with others in northwestern Pennsylvania.

Erie County's head count dropped by 594 for the one-year period ending July 1, according to the latest U.S. Census estimates that were released last week. That brings the population loss for the decade to 1,751, or about 0.6 percent.

The county was one of 38 in the state with a declining population so far this decade. It had the smallest loss of those 38, according to the Penn State Data Center, the state's official source for population and economic statistics.

Crawford County's population dropped 1.9 percent, ranked 31st out of the 38. Its population declined by 1,703 for the decade and 224 for the latest one-year period.

Jake Welsh, Erie County's planning director, called his county's population loss "a pretty modest change."
Erie County's population has been fairly constant at about 280,000 since the 1980s, he said.

"We're still expecting some modest growth over the next 10 or 20 years," he said.

Erie County Executive Mark DiVecchio said he is concerned about the population loss.

He said he is hoping for a turnaround with efforts by the county and others to bring in new businesses and to work on other initiatives for growth.

He said much of the decline is due to students who are going away to college and not returning.
DiVecchio said he believes the proposed community college will help change that. Studies have shown that community college graduates stay in the community.

During the decade, an estimated 8,779 people left the county -- the third highest out-migration in the state, according to Census Bureau figures. Philadelphia had 100,262 leave and Allegheny County 45,417.

Erie County's out-migration was somewhat offset by more births than deaths and other factors.

In Crawford County, Commissioner Morris Waid said his county's population had been increasing until about the 2000 census, when it reached 90,366, and has been declining since. It is now estimated at 88,663.

"I feel bad," he said. "I don't like to see it continue to go down."
Like DiVecchio, he said some students leave to go to school and take jobs in other areas.

Waid said the latest figures might not reflect businesses that have started there recently.

"A lot of our industries are doing quite well," he said.

Elsewhere, nine of the top 10 counties with the biggest percentage drops are concentrated in the western and north-central part of the state, the center said.

Warren County had the third-largest drop at 6.6 percent. Venango County's population has dropped by 4.9 percent, or 2,802; and McKean County by 5 percent, or 2,303, the Census Bureau figures show.
Susan Copella, director of the data center, said Erie County's population drop is fairly small and is part of an overall trend in the state.

"The eastern part of the state is growing, and the western part is declining slightly," she said. The state's overall population has grown by 1.2 percent so far this decade.

Pike County, in the northeast, has ranked as the state's fastest-growing county each year since 2000, the data center said. It has grown by nearly 27 percent since 2000.

One northwestern county is a major exception to the declines. Forest County has had the largest increase of the decade so far at nearly 41 percent, but that is due largely to the construction of a state correctional facility in 2004, the data center said.

Philadelphia County is the state's largest with a population of 1,449,634, followed by Allegheny County at 1,219,210.
Erie County is the 14th most-populous county in the state. It has dropped a notch in the decade.

Crawford County has remained at 34th most-populous for the decade.

GEORGE MILLER can be reached at 870-1724 or by e-mail.
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