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Title: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: bighair80s on February 02, 2018, 11:12:21 AM
Iíve reached the age where researching electronics has become nearly physically painful.  Considering passing our tv on to relatives and replacing it with new technology.  I searched google for this information and it returned results that may as well have been written in Mandarin Chinese. Iíve officially become old I guess. 
Iím replacing a Samsung Plasma. (NP, I think our tvís are identical)  and Iíd like a similar quality (adjusted for todayís technology) range. 
The main features I seek are picture quality and reliability.  (Our current plasma has fantastic picture). Connectedness is the least important feature.  We donít stream much content.  Mainly cable sports, tv and watching vacation picture slideshows.  Lol.



Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: gore range on February 02, 2018, 02:13:43 PM
I had a full career in the spy satellite business working with the imaging technology which over the decades evolved from actually catching canisters of film mid-air with C-130s over the middle of the Pacific that were periodically elected from spy satellites, to the digital revolution you are now watching in your living room and bedroom today. Several times a month, usually before hitting the hay for the evening, I pull up GOOGLE EARTH and still check on some old rather intimately ingrained 'targets' in several global 'areas of denial', as old habits do tend to die hard.

The new 4K sets are visually most impress, tho the TV programming has yet to reach the mass market, with the 1080DP high definition programming pretty standard everywhere. Really, when youíre laying in bed watching the late show, just how much 4K Colbert do you need to see? His scared ear looks pretty much the same whether in 1080 or 4K.

The mile-high bunker currently has eight HD LED TVs and seven HD computer monitors. Fair to say Iíve tracked the evolution of the technology and the cost/benefits of the evolving technology over the year.

What Iíve learned regarding my entertainment-value TV purchases pretty much boils down to Ė

....after the initial wow-factor wears off on the brand new latest and greatest high-price stuff,

....that new latest and greatest high-price stuff high quality stuff quickly become a lots less pricey stuff as competitors begin producing the same technology Ė

....at a decreasingly LOT less selling price.

Iíve become a bit of a fan of Wal-Mart online purchases, buying technology which isnít brand-new and has clearly established itself favorably in the consumer review comments.

I have had good experiences with the SPECTRE LED TVs.

The bunker command-post control-desk large screen LED TV-

....a low end Walmart online SCEPTRE 42Ē, 1080DP TV

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4624/39146492515_d6d2345407_c.jpg)

The sound quality on the bedroom 36Ē SPECTRE ($180) left a little to be desired volume wise, but such was quickly overcome by adding a less than $50 LOGITECH desk top PC speaker system to the external jack.

The desk TV sounds good, tho I did wire it to the desk stereo to facilitate really blasting when the aurally-stimulating need may arise.

For years now, I ran my flight simulator programs on a separate dedicated desk top and a 17Ē single screen monitor. I recently treated my aging self and upgraded to a high-end gaming Ďputer and added triple wide-screen monitors, plus a four screen for on line map display and route planning, to enhance my old age digital aeronautical adventures reliving old escapades well outside the grasp of the FAA.-

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4759/39145653435_f8fbe02d05_c.jpg)

....all low end online Wallyworld 23Ē  1080DP TVs for less than $80 each; really great imagery presentation as I fly around the old haunts safely pushing the envelope while sitting at the table munching snacks and sipping diet ginger ale.

Tho, I just decided to upgrade those 23Ē monitors to online Wallyworld 43Ē SCEPTRE 1080 DP TVs, for $230 each.

They came in last Monday, but Wallyworld mistakenly shipped 4K sets rather than the 1080DP sets I ordered and need to run the flight sim. I sent them back to get the lower quality 1080 DP sets I ordered.

Imagine that, not wanting 4K TV sets and sending them back.....tho, running the .high end flight sim program on the three 4K screens is reported by simmers to be a bit problematic, technically. One 4K screen...., likely do-able, with some fidgeting. But three screens, not so much.  The 1080DP set imagery is usually eye-opening, so no need for 4k...........yet.

The common wisdom is that this is the time of the year, pre-super bowl, to buy a new set.

I choose free shipping to the store, that way, they arrive securely, and if not what I ordered, easy to return/refund.



Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: NightmarePatrol on February 02, 2018, 07:33:26 PM
RIght now Samsung and LG are the two top players. VIzio  is the best of the sensibly priced stuff. Sony is up there but they still command a premium. LED's have improved to where they have necessary responsiveness for watching things with a lot of motion. I can't comment much on the 4K stuff, but contact your TV provider to see is they even offer any programming in 4K.  If you get a 4K TV they you'll want a 4K blue ray player to go with it.

In all honesty a "smart TV" is a waste, but sometimes it's part of the package and there's no way around it. The apps are rarely updated and they are poorly written. Our $35 chromecast does 100 times more than the upcharge we paid for a smart TV.

If you can avoid going to a big box store I would. Don't go to Sams, though Costco is some better. The reason is they do special runs that may use parts that aren't quite up to the original design spec.   I'll see if I can find out more next week.


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: NightmarePatrol on February 02, 2018, 08:35:20 PM
We got our tv from here, no problems at all (and not sales tax)

Here's a list of 4K TV's

http://www.abt.com/category/2417/Ultra-HD-4K-TVs.html (http://www.abt.com/category/2417/Ultra-HD-4K-TVs.html)

we got the square trade warranty fwiw.


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: gore range on February 03, 2018, 09:03:56 AM
....the common bane of the box stores-

....customers going to the box stores to look at the product/TV picture at the huge variety display on the bqck wall-

(https://hdguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Wal-Mart-TV-Display-Sept-2011-580.jpg)

....then going home and purchasing their new product on line from another merchant. :D


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: gore range on February 03, 2018, 09:04:35 AM
 ....do you have a need a SMART TV?

https://hdguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Wal-Mart-TV-Display-Sept-2011-580.jpg (https://hdguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Wal-Mart-TV-Display-Sept-2011-580.jpg)


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: bighair80s on February 03, 2018, 10:18:32 AM
Holy cow! Thanks for all the information! EETicket is like our own personal google but filters out the crap. 

Our current tv is a ďmildly smartĒ tv I think.  Itís the last iteration of plasma technology or one of the last. Itís a 3D tv,we only chose that because Samsung was using heavier capacitors on that panel vs the non 3d  panel and the conventional wisdom was it would be more reliable.  Probably the only smart feature I need would be to connect to media or apps on various devices we have.  We have an LED smart tv upstairs thatís a lot smarter than our Samsung but picture quality is meh.  And as we all know plasma is gone.  Weíve looked at tvís in stores and I swear they jack up the picture with surreal content. It makes it hard to compare real world viewing.  The OLED displays look very good but I donít know much about that technology or if itís just a fad.  I donít like that they look red when turned off.  Lol.


Np, Thanks for the link.  I bookmarked that one.  We bought our current one from a similar outlet. Huppins One Call. 



Thank you for the good  advice Gore, we rarely buy the first iteration of any product, electronics, vehicle model redesignes, etc.  We arenít early adopters.  Prefer to wait for bug fixes. Also, problems or design flaws to be refined. And as you mentioned, less cash outlay.  On another note, I showed mr BH your flight sim layout.  Wow! If you make it back this way he would love to have discussion how to set up such a thing. Heís retired now and has the time. Heís got a 24x26 shop he can repurpose.   



Hopefully winter weather will relent and we can get out and look around more. Thanks again for the thoughtful information.  I really appreciate it. 





Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: NightmarePatrol on February 03, 2018, 03:02:44 PM
The OLED tech is solid. It's actually better than plasma.. It's also a lot more energy efficient and there is little wasted energy unlike plasma's so it doesn't  heat up the room. That heat is nice in the winter, but it creates a war with our A/C unit most of the time down here. There's a lot of options out there, but honestly a chromecast or firestick does ten times more than a  smart TV and the updates happen frequently.


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: bighair80s on February 12, 2018, 02:48:02 PM
Thanks for the suggestions everyone.  Now up to speed on current technology and watching for upcoming deals puts us in a good spot. The current plasma is going strong so we arenít pressured to hurry a purchase. 


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: NightmarePatrol on February 12, 2018, 07:03:33 PM
Yeah the picture does deteriorate slowly an somewhat imperceptibly over time. Ours till looks pretty good and it has a lot of hours on it.


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: bighair80s on February 21, 2018, 10:06:24 PM
I have one more question.  Heh.  Apple TV. Vs chromcast etc.  we have all Apple phones and devices, wonder if Apple TV has any features we might use that would  benefit having it.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: gore range on February 22, 2018, 07:29:38 AM
....likely a matter of personal preferences depending on your needs and individual technical tastes. My cable server is currently Comcast which is pretty much a monthly money sink and continuing to gouge and increse at their choosing. I have outside-the-bunker experience with the Apple TV computer and running DIRECT TV on it- a huge monthly savings after paying for the Apple computer unit, with channel selection a lot less being ďforced to take what they want to make you pay forĒ and channels I get to choose and actually watch. Lots of service options- DIRECT TV, HULU, etc. I don't have Chromecast experience to compare. Maybe you can do the youtube exercise to contrast and comparte what users think about each system as well as the service provider- DIRECT, HULU, etc. I'm thinking about going the Apple route in the bunker. I'll need to buy separate Apple computers for  each TV, but is a small investment compared to my monthly Comcast charges. An issue for you maybe local TV channel coverage- I can do over the free over-the-air broadcasts w/an antenna in the attic. Meadville viewers might not be so lucky.


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on February 22, 2018, 09:30:52 AM
Chromecast just takes your computer feed and puts it on the TV. It's a bandwidth sucker too. It has some purpose in our home education schema, but we unplug the damn thing when we're not using it. We have a Fire Stick though. Couple that with our Prime Membership, Netflix and HBO - and we've got a decent selection of stuff to watch in HD. Good Router makes the difference.


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: NightmarePatrol on February 22, 2018, 09:52:32 AM
We have an actual TiVO that works much better than the crappy DVR/Tuner combination units provided by the TV provideres. It has Netflix, Amazon, Hulu all built in and after a year it costs about $15 a month to operate. Our rental on the cable DVR ans additional boxes was close to $40 per month. So yes no matter which route you go there is an initial outlay, but there is a break even point somewhere for most solutions. Google has a  TV offering (https://thenextweb.com/apps/2017/02/28/google-announces-youtube-tv-service-rivals-cable/) which is not available in Meadville at this time and costs $35 per month which does live channels. It may be available in Sharon though.

There's a lot happening in the TV business right now and it's all pretty confusing. The upside is that there are ton of choices and the downside is there are a ton of choices, but more importantly how long will these products be supported? The real challenge is how to "future-proof" yourself. Both apple and google are committed to this. I would add they have very different approaches to doing things. Google made "YouTube TV" available to other devices because well google is platform agnostic. They also offer up a  free "cloud DVR" at no extra cost do you can watch your favorite shows later. But... still not available in Meadville.

I guess a lot depends on what your end goal is. Basic TV service or do you want to get rid of cable completely?


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: NightmarePatrol on February 22, 2018, 10:00:01 AM
Any streaming device/service uses bandwidth. We have a big fat network pipe into out house so bandwidth has never been an issue. Most of the wifi that comes with your internet is pretty basic and gets you wifi, but it's far from the best available. We have nearly 40 devices that could potentially use the internet (not all at the same time though)


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: bighair80s on February 23, 2018, 10:36:47 AM
Thank you everyone!
We ordered the Apple TV 4K from the Apple store yesterday  Itís coming today. We donít have a 4 k tv just yet but the 4K device made sense due to its better,  most recent and powerful processor and when we do replace the plasma we will have the proper tech to utilize its resolution.   

Apple TV made sense to us. We already have Apple devices and subscriptions and will still be able to utilize our amazon prime through it. We are not deep into google either.  We do not yet have a voice hub like Alexa, but if we do we will go with Apple hub, itís not particularly feature rich yet but then again neither are we. Lol   It has supposed great sound and integrates with other Apple devices. As far as our local cable tv, it costs a lot and we utilize about 15% of the programming. We will certainly get use of the Apple TV and over the next weeks as we explore our options will be able to decide if we can eliminate what we donít use. We are not power tv consumers by any means so I think that part will benefit us. We dont use DVR either.  Thereís no need to record Hoganís Heroís.  Lol. We donít have anywhere near 40 devices connected to our internet, mainly our phones ,iPads,computers, security cameras and some audio equipment. 

Any Apple product weíve bought has always been solid and user friendly and the learning curve for us should be minimal.
Thanks for the input.  Mr BH and I read all your responses carefully,did some internet research and it helped us to better understand whatís available.


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: NightmarePatrol on February 23, 2018, 04:53:10 PM
Now you have to get a 4K blue ray player to get the full effect!


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: bighair80s on February 23, 2018, 10:11:13 PM
Now you have to get a 4K blue ray player to get the full effect!

Oh sure, Iím sure when we upgrade the tv will get it then. We are having some fun with the Apple TV so it can wait. This thing does exactly what I hoped it would do. Makes our Apple content play on our tv, amazon prime works great, YouTube awesome etc! So much more useful than the smart part of our tv and blue ray.  One step at a time but I think this was a good decision.  Thanks again everyone!


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: NightmarePatrol on February 23, 2018, 10:20:33 PM
If you don't get one with the TV or blue ray player, you will need a 4K HDMI cable. I doubt armstrong has any 4K content or if their tuners even support it.


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: bighair80s on February 24, 2018, 12:05:12 PM
I have hdmi cables fished behind the upper wall of the fireplace where tv is hung. When we get a new tv Iíll swap them out with 4 k.  Honestly I only chose the Apple TV 4K to ďfuture proof ďthe setup.  ( I picked this nonmenclature up on my google searches. Lol)


Hey np, how do I post a pic on here with google photos. I canít put one here as they are too big and also says not jpeg just jpg? Must be an iPhone thing. 


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: gore range on February 28, 2018, 10:36:40 AM
.... I suspect youíll likely have to move the phone pic to a separate photo-hosting site, i.e.- flickr.com, to upload it here. :-\

flickr lets me upload just about any sized photo to their site, but gives me an option to select the size of the pic I desire to post elsewhere.

Most of the pics I post here from flickr are around 1000x800 pixels. 

Tho, it does take just a bit to get familiar with flickrís system to utilize its services and offerings. There are a variety of photo hosting sites out there, so donít feel my choice is necessarily your best choice.

On the other hand, if you can Facebook msg the pic to me, Iíll be happy change it to the proper url you need to post it here and msg it back to you ;)


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: NightmarePatrol on February 28, 2018, 05:54:41 PM
I've been trying to see how one can embed photos off and on when I get the time and google doesn't like it at all. However, what you can to is go into google photos, right click on the image and select "Copy image address" and paste that big url that inside the image tags and it will insert the picture.


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: bighair80s on March 02, 2018, 01:43:56 AM
Just a few pics of the Apple TV set up.  Itís breathed a bit of life into the non 4K set. 
I canít take the credit for the pics though, I had some help...my tax dollars at work... :D   


(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4617/39663237115_de6e06262d_c.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4673/40558420421_560fd3f5a1_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4766/26687190588_6fc42d1811_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: NightmarePatrol on March 02, 2018, 05:42:17 AM
Looks like your tax dollars knows how to use a masks and transparencies in a graphics editor too.   :D


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on March 02, 2018, 09:53:38 PM
Hahahaha!


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: gore range on March 04, 2018, 09:51:05 AM
....the big screen experience and opportunities continue to rather amazingly evolve and expand....

The re-ordered large screen 1080DP 43Ē SCEPTRE upgrade TVs for the flight simulator are in the bunker. Initially, when I went over to the Wallyworld Neighborhood Market, a stand-alone Wally World grocery-only super market, to pick them up, I immediately saw they were the same three 4K UHD sets I previously ordered and returned. I previously ordered 1080DP sets, but returned them as I failed to notice they were 4K sets until I got them home. The flight sim program is reported by numerous users on social media sites as presenting several challenging issues running on a 4K monitor, ergo, returning the initial 4k sets as I indeed ordered 1080 DP sets, and submitted a new online order for replacement 1080DP sets.

With a copy of my 1080DP re-order in hand displayed conveniently on my smart phone, I  politely and very patiently explained the circumstances to the to the young, lightly acne-ed, rotund, high school-aged Wallyworld grocery store online pickup-counter  associate, and,  without  looking away from my phone, or even so much a  blink, he immediately and confidently relayed to me me-

....ĒNo problem. I have the very same SCEPTRE 43Ē set in my bedroom and I play my 1080DP online wargaming  programs all the time on it. The set will automatically sense the 1080 input and switch to the proper graphics-display mode. Just hook it up to the HDMI  port on the graphics card and youíll be good to goĒ

....who knew?....other than a slightly pimple-faced, overweight high school bedroom-recluse who likely spends weekend evenings pretending heís Rambo with scores of other Ethernet Rambo-s slicing and dicing digital Akmed-the-terorists in the comfort of Momís house while munching order-in Dominos and swigging six packs of Red Bull.

Times certainly have changed from the late-night TV weekend Ghoulardi the sole-TV-in-the-house  15Ē black and white-set, fuzzy pictured experiences on channel 8. But then, on weekend evenings these days, even I am likely Ďflyingí my old manís navy blue 1947 Stinson 4-place tail-dragger anywhere in the world while sitting at my temporary sim setup on the kitchen table while remodeling continues on the new FLIGHLINE ROOM in the upstairs spare bedroom-

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4701/39683191325_405525cf82_c.jpg)

I finally got around to opening one of the new 43Ē 4K sets, pulled it out of the box, easily propped it up on the kitchen table in front of the three monitor sim (....it weighs like 3 pounds!!!), and gang-wired it to check if indeed it performs as attested to by my high school tech wizard.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4607/26702956658_f5f126250a_c.jpg)

 .... ;D ....

....the instrument panel of the old manís digital Ďblue-gooseí is now 1:1 full size   ....

....with 9.5 feet of 200-degreee view angle screen on the new wall mounted monitor display up in the bunker flight ops room, I just might have to put a seat belt on the desk chair :o .... [/]


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: bighair80s on March 04, 2018, 10:29:42 PM
Thatís an impressive set up! Can I ask the flight sim software you use? And is it running on a PC windows platform? What type of graphics specs would you need to run it? We have a Dell Precision box designed to run Solid Works CAD/CAM  that we donít use now.  I think it  has an hdmi out on the graphics card but Iíd have to check.  It would be fun to have a dedicated pc to run a flight sim and even better if one we already own could work.  Years ago we had a flight sim program Mr BH used quite a bit. This was when he actually took flight lessons at the airport.  After he couldnít pass the medical he abandoned the persuit altogether.  Heís always had a deep love of flying yet ironically was disqualified to do it.  Since retiring heís stirred up that old interest. In fact, weíre going to Dayton in June to enjoy the Blue Angels Air Show and taking the kids. 



Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: gore range on March 05, 2018, 01:18:29 AM
....the sim is XPlane 11. XPlane is a unique flight sim program which is rather distinctly different from most sims available. I really like it a lot as it is as close as flying the real planes as I can likely get without paying big bucks to sit in a commercial grade training simulator.   

I ran several Microsoft Flight Simulator sims for decades and thought it was the eagleís delight. Little did I know.

However, XPlane is a rather high data-demand program and I run it on a dedicated PC. And thatís all I run on that PC. I added a small, second Ďregularí PC to access and view the online world data base of navigation charts on a fourth, smaller monitor.

The sim machine contains an Intel i5-7500 Quad 3.4GHz core processor with 3.8GHz Turbo, has 16 Gigabytes of DDR-4 2133MHz RAM- expandable to 32GB for future growth as I add features,  has a 1TB 7200RPM SSHD Hybrid Hard Drive, and a Nvidia GTX 1060 with 6GB GDDR5 video card containing three HDMI graphics ports to drive the three monitors. The base operating system is Windows 10.  Itís not your basic run of the mill Wallyworld off the shelf desktop PC. XPlane 11 requires 20 GB of free disk space.

There are a ton of XPlane clips on Youtube covering all kinds of XPlane features. Odds are if Mr. BH watches them, Christmas will likely be coming early.

Dayton? Save some coin and take the $75 ride in the restored Bell Vietnam era Huey!!!
http://www.daytonairshow.com/uh-1h-huey-helicopter-rides/  (http://www.daytonairshow.com/uh-1h-huey-helicopter-rides/)



Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: bighair80s on March 06, 2018, 10:14:14 AM
I did a search on that flight sim software and got the hardware specs needed. Weíve got three pc boxes here but each one would need something upgraded to work with Xplane The Dell Precision has the better graphics and Xeon processor but the XPS Box has an earlier Intel i7 quad core processor but the graphics card would need replaced. The third box probably isnít worth upgrading.  All would need memory.  Iím going to ask the 16 year old family computer expert to look into hardware compatibility.  It might be smarter to get something newer and already up to specs.  Thanks for the help and info. 

Thanks for the tip on the helicopter ride!  Going to look into this. Not sure if we can find time schedule it in.
****[edit to say Mr BH says we can FIND the time to take the helecopter ride, have to ask kid parents if they are ok with it.  Lol  ]

 Weíve got the kids for three days there but their parents are picking them up in Dayton on Sunday then continuing on to Glacier Bay in their motorhome to start their vacation.   Summer goes by too fast. Ugh.  Kids donít get out of school till mid to late June and marching band camp starts in July I guess....


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: gore range on March 06, 2018, 04:54:49 PM
....do the Huey, and you'll never watch another Vietnam flick the same again for the rest of your's or f the kid's lives  ;) ....


I suspect you can get away with running the XPlane baseline program on lower-capable PC and single monitor if you donít  jack up the scenery texture  and number of world objects options which come with the baseline system too much. When you start adding scenery density to the scenery graphics, it starts consuming RAM, which then starts decreasing the frame rate of the graphics presentation. Drop below 15 frames or so a second, and the view starts to become jerky.
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XPlane provides a baseline simulator platform with semi-generic scenery graphics, upon which users can download a cornucopia of add-ons/upgrades to rather dramatically enhance the already impressive graphics displays. Of course, increased data management and utilization require increased machine capability.

Once you settle on a machine, you can download a free XPLANE trial to check it out, and see if the machine is capable of running the program-

http://www.x-plane.com/desktop/try-it/

Of course, interests  and desires then start to add up,  and decisions likely will need to be made, i.e.- going with a simple Microsoft like stick controller, or up grading to more capable control yoke, rudder pedals/brakes, throttle quadrant, etc.


Thereís a fair amount of plug-in hardware and software available which significantly enhances the already impressive XPlane 11 experience, a good number of which can be examined at
http://store.x-plane.org/  


Title: Re: Recommendations RE: Large Screen Tv Technology
Post by: NightmarePatrol on March 06, 2018, 05:34:05 PM
If you want to try something out without having to plunk down any money there's always Flight Gear (http://home.flightgear.org/). I can't draw any comparisons between the two though.