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Title: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on February 22, 2018, 01:31:29 PM
....enlightening-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AtOU0dDXv8


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: NightmarePatrol on February 22, 2018, 02:48:27 PM
It's a really hot potato these days.


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on February 24, 2018, 06:08:09 AM
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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: bighair80s on February 24, 2018, 12:05:49 PM
The irony. 


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on February 25, 2018, 02:52:37 PM
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11 (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11)


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on February 26, 2018, 06:29:39 AM
...5 year trend stats-

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_11_murder_circumstances_by_weapon_2015.xls (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_11_murder_circumstances_by_weapon_2015.xls)


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on February 26, 2018, 06:32:42 AM
....by Age, Sex, Race, and Ethnicity-

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_3_murder_offenders_by_age_sex_and_race_2015.xls (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_3_murder_offenders_by_age_sex_and_race_2015.xls)[/]


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on February 26, 2018, 06:45:02 AM
....justifiable homicide, private citizen, by weapon, 5 year trend stats-

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_15_justifiable_homicide_by_weapon_private_citizen_2011-2015.xls (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_15_justifiable_homicide_by_weapon_private_citizen_2011-2015.xls)


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on February 26, 2018, 06:49:12 AM
....justifiable homicide, law enforcement, by weapon, 5 year trend stats-

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_14_justifiable_homicide_by_weapon_law_enforcement_2011-2015.xls (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_14_justifiable_homicide_by_weapon_law_enforcement_2011-2015.xls)


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on February 26, 2018, 08:08:10 AM
(https://www.cdc.gov/injury/images/lc-charts/leading_causes_of_death_age_group_2015_1050w740h.gif)


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on February 26, 2018, 10:27:12 AM


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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: clp_lives on February 26, 2018, 04:42:26 PM
Now that is a shocker, larger more populus counties have more murders.  When you want the data to tell you an outcome it does.  A better trend is to look at data accounting for the population size, rate not absolute number.  Of course large cities will have more murders if you count the totals only, that seems obvious to most.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/crime-rates-by-county/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/crime-rates-by-county/)


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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on February 26, 2018, 08:36:39 PM
The initial two posted maps compare –

....2016 election results by county with-

....the number of MURDERS per county.
 
The Washington Post maps show something completely different, comparing election results with over all crime rate.

The Washington Post article stipulates-
“The overall crime rate includes reported incidents of violent and property crime, specifically murder, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny, motor vehicle theft and arson

To show crimes for counties with large and small populations, the rate is displayed as crime incidents per 1,000 people. Although the rate makes the view fairer, it is still subject to distortions, such as a one-time incident in a county with a small population.

Also, big cities have crimes involving people who travel in for work or entertainment, so a rate based on residential population is skewed
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 Additionally, stipulated by the Washington Post article-
”The violent crime map shows clusters of counties with high rates in South Carolina, Florida, the Memphis area and New Mexico. Several of the clusters are in rural areas where a small number of crimes may generate a relatively high crime rate because there are few people living there.


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on February 26, 2018, 08:48:29 PM
Per the cited Washington Post article, Chicago has a median violent crime rate compared to the rest of the country.

Statistically, a “median” rate means Chicago sits in the middle of the pack in terms of violent crime yard stick.

Of course, such a selective methodology completely skews and fails to reflect the documented reality of Chicago being a heavily regulated gun-free zone-

https://qz.com/1086403/fbi-crime-statistics-us-murders-were-up-in-2016-and-chicago-had-a-lot-to-do-with-it/ (https://qz.com/1086403/fbi-crime-statistics-us-murders-were-up-in-2016-and-chicago-had-a-lot-to-do-with-it/)


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on March 08, 2018, 10:31:23 AM
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article203536484.html (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article203536484.html)


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on March 13, 2018, 01:25:11 PM
....it is certainly a well thought out and most impressively articulated presentation-

The state of gun violence in the US, explained in 18 charts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX4qUsgHa4Y#)


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on March 13, 2018, 01:30:38 PM
....the view of the above well thought out and impressively articulated presentation....

....from the infamous basket of deplorables:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IULSD8VwXEs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IULSD8VwXEs)

  http://[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IULSD8VwXEs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IULSD8VwXEs[/url] 


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on March 14, 2018, 10:09:19 PM
....thanx, Zip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5NbcF2iu3Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5NbcF2iu3Y)


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on March 15, 2018, 12:14:47 PM
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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on March 15, 2018, 12:55:56 PM
Training and other school safety enhancements . . .

Missing the real issue by miles . . . .


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on March 23, 2018, 07:41:47 PM
.... "this is some sick stuff"-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nu9UvYgBGI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nu9UvYgBGI)


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on March 23, 2018, 07:54:24 PM
"...bitch..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxSDfK2mYdk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxSDfK2mYdk)[/]


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on March 24, 2018, 10:36:44 AM
....a march for their lives....

....logic deprived....

....intellectually dishonest....

....festival masquerading as a march....

....a march to burn the constitution and re-write the parts you like in crayon....

https://newsone.com/3785226/colion-noir-parkland-mass-shootings-march-for-our-lives/ (https://newsone.com/3785226/colion-noir-parkland-mass-shootings-march-for-our-lives/)


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on March 25, 2018, 12:15:25 PM
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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on March 25, 2018, 12:17:46 PM
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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on March 25, 2018, 12:18:11 PM
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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on March 25, 2018, 12:18:37 PM
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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on March 25, 2018, 12:19:06 PM
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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on March 25, 2018, 12:19:31 PM
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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on March 25, 2018, 04:04:02 PM
When folks talk about guns being necessary in protecting their rights from an oppressive government - what it boils down to is twofold: 1) The laws enacted by that government are too onerous and oppressive, making it difficult to survive. 2) The enforcement agents of those laws (even if the laws themselves aren't too oppressive) act in an overly zealous fashion in the execution of their duties - making it difficult to survive. If guns are your chosen means of ensuring those rights - it means shooting the people who enact and enforce laws. (Which are themselves written opinions enforced by . . . guns.)
That being said - folks DO want things for home protection against folks who would do them harm or steal their property (um - not counting taxes of course). Their particular concern is who decides what limits there are on what they can have to do so?


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on March 28, 2018, 10:59:40 AM
....readers are free to chuckle......or –

....continue their self-entitled delusional denial:

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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: Amidala on March 28, 2018, 07:57:03 PM
Another commentary. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle. Too bad the NPS no longer published their estimates. And, YEAH for the Womens' March in 2017!!

https://www.google.com/amp/abc7.com/amp/politics/how-big-was-the-march-for-our-lives-crowd/3260396/ (https://www.google.com/amp/abc7.com/amp/politics/how-big-was-the-march-for-our-lives-crowd/3260396/)


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on March 28, 2018, 11:43:34 PM
I harbor absolutely no suspicions what so ever that the truth is somewhere in the middle.

I know for a fact the Digital Design & Imaging Service Inc.(DDIS) attendance figures do in deed reflect reality.

For the newer readers, I was a imagery interpretation technical instructor at the DOD Air Intelligence Training Center at Lowry AFB back  in the day, with a DOD MASTER INSTRUCTOR rating. My primary instruction subject was photogrametry and mensuration – extracting reliable intelligence numbers from overhead imagery.

Standard photogrametry techniques applied to the DDIS imagery of the march confirm the DDIS estimate is reliable and solidly valid.

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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 03, 2018, 08:37:53 AM
From CNN, a list of  single day mass shootings in US from 1949 to the present. If the shooter was killed or committed suicide during the incident, that death is not included in the total deaths.

September 5, 1949 – In Camden, New Jersey, 28-year-old Howard Unruh, a veteran of World War II, shoots and kills 13 people as he walks down Camden’s 32nd Street using a German-crafted Luger pistol. He is found insane and is committed to a state mental institution. He dies at the age of 88. 13 killed.

August 1, 1966 – In Austin, Texas, Charles Joseph Whitman, a former US Marine, kills 16 and wounds at least 30 at the University of Texas while shooting from a tower. Police officers Ramiro Martinez and Houston McCoy shoot and kill Whitman in the tower. Whitman had also killed his mother and wife earlier in the day. 18 dead.

August 20, 1982 – In Miami, Carl Robert Brown, 51, kills eight people with a shotgun at a machine shop. Brown, a teacher, was reportedly angry about a repair bill from the shop. After fleeing the scene on a bicycle, he is fatally shot by a witness who pursues him.  8 dead.

September 25, 1982 – In Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, 40-year-old prison guard George Banks kills 13 people including five of his own children. In September 2011, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturns his death sentence, stating that Banks is mentally incompetent. 13 dead.

February 18, 1983 – Three men enter the Wah Mee gambling and social club in Seattle, rob the 14 occupants and then shoot each in the head, killing 13. Two of the men, Kwan Fai Mak and Benjamin Ng, are convicted of murder in August 1983. Both are serving life in prison. The third, Wai-Chiu “Tony” Ng, after years on the run in Canada, is eventually convicted of first-degree robbery and second-degree assault. He is deported to Hong Kong in 2014. 13 dead.

July 18, 1984 – In San Ysidro, California, 41-year-old James Huberty, armed with a long-barreled Uzi, a pump-action shotgun and a handgun, shoots and kills 21 adults and children at a local McDonald’s. A police sharpshooter kills Huberty one hour after the rampage begins. 21 dead.

August 20, 1986 – In Edmond, Oklahoma, part-time mail carrier armed with three handguns, Patrick Henry Sherrill, kills 14 postal workers in 10 minutes and then takes his own life with a bullet to the head. 14 dead.

September 14, 1989 – In Louisville, Kentucky, 47-year-old Joseph Wesbecker armed with a AK-47 semiautomatic assault rifle, two MAC-11 semiautomatic pistols, a .38 caliber handgun, a 9-millimeter semiautomatic pistol and a bayonet kills eight co-workers at Standard Gravure Corporation and then kills himself. He had been placed on disability leave from his job due to mental problems. 8 dead.

June 18, 1990 – In Jacksonville, Florida, 42-year-old James Pough, angry about his car being repossessed, opens fire at a General Motors Acceptance Corp. office, killing nine people. Pough takes his own life. 9 dead.

August 10, 1991 – Six monks, a nun, a monk in training and a temple worker are found shot to death at Wat Promkunaram, a Buddhist temple in Waddell, Arizona. Johnathan Doody, 17, and Alessandro Garcia, 16, are later convicted of the crime and receive multiple life sentences. 9 dead.

October 16, 1991 – In Killeen, Texas, 35-year-old George Hennard crashes his pickup truck through the wall of a Luby’s Cafeteria. After exiting the truck, Hennard shoots and kills 23 people. He then commits suicide. 23 dead.

July 1, 1993 – In San Francisco, 55-year-old Gian Luigi Ferri kills eight people in a law office and then kills himself. 8 dead.

April 20, 1999 – Columbine High School – Littleton, Colorado. Eighteen-year-old Eric Harris and 17-year-old Dylan Klebold kill 12 fellow students and one teacher before committing suicide in the school library. 13 dead.

July 29, 1999 – In Atlanta, 44-year-old Mark Barton kills his wife and two children at his home. He then opens fire in two different brokerage houses, killing nine people and wounding 12. He later kills himself. 12 dead.

March 21, 2005 – Red Lake High School, Red Lake, Minnesota. Sixteen-year-old Jeff Weise kills his grandfather and another adult, five students, a teacher and a security officer. He then kills himself.10 killed – March 10, 2009 – In Alabama, Michael McLendon of Kinston, kills 10 and himself. The dead include his mother, grandparents, aunt and uncle. 9 dead.

December 5, 2007 – In Omaha, Nebraska, 19-year-old Robert Hawkins goes to an area mall and kills eight shoppers before killing himself. 8 dead.

March 29, 2009 – In Carthage, North Carolina, 45-year-old Robert Stewart kills a nurse and seven elderly patients at a nursing home. In May, the Moore County district attorney announces she will seek the death penalty. On September 3, 2011, a jury finds Stewart guilty of second-degree murder. Stewart is sentenced to 141 to 179 years in prison. 8 dead.

April 3, 2009 – In Binghamton, New York, Jiverly Wong kills 13 people and injures four during a shooting at an immigrant community center. He then kills himself. 13 dead.

November 5, 2009 – Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan kills 13 people and one unborn child and injures 32 at Fort Hood, Texas, during a shooting rampage. He is convicted and sentenced to death.27 killed – December 14, 2012 – Sandy Hook Elementary School – Newtown, Connecticut. Adam Lanza, 20, guns down 20 children, ages six and seven, and six adults, school staff and faculty, before turning the gun on himself. Investigating police later find Nancy Lanza, Adam’s mother, dead from a gunshot wound. 13 and an unborn child dead.

January 19, 2010 – Christopher Speight, 39, kills eight people at a house in Appomattox, Virginia. He surrenders to police at the scene the next morning. In February 2013, he is sentenced to five life terms plus 18 years. 8 dead.

August 3, 2010 – Manchester, Connecticut – Omar Thornton kills eight co-workers at Hartford Distributors before turning the gun on himself. Thornton had been asked to resign for stealing and selling alcoholic beverages. 8 dead.

October 12, 2011 – Eight people are killed during a shooting at the Salon Meritage in Seal Beach, California. The suspect, Scott Evans Dekraai, 41, of Huntington Beach, is arrested without incident as he is trying to leave the scene. The eight victims include Dekraai’s ex-wife, Michelle Fournier, 48. He is armed with three guns — a 9 mm Springfield, a Smith & Wesson .44 Magnum, and a Heckler & Koch .45 — and is wearing body armor during the shooting rampage. After a delay of several years due to allegations of prosecutorial misconduct, Dekraai is sentenced on September 22, 2017, to eight consecutive terms of life in prison without parole, plus an additional term of 232 years to life for attempted murder. 8 dead.

July 20, 2012 – Twelve people are killed, and 58 are wounded in a shooting at a screening of the new Batman film in Aurora, Colorado. James E. Holmes, 24, dressed head-to-toe in protective tactical gear, sets off two devices of some kind before spraying the theater with bullets from an AR-15 rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and at least one of two .40-caliber handguns police recovered at the scene. On July 16, 2015, Holmes is found guilty on all 165 counts against him, 24 first-degree murder, 140 attempted murder and one count of possession or control of an explosive or incendiary device. He is sentenced to life in prison without parole. 12 dead.

September 16, 2013 – Shots are fired inside the Washington Navy Yard, killing 12. The shooter, identified as Aaron Alexis, 34, is also killed.12 dead.

June 17, 2015 – Dylann Roof, 21, shoots and kills nine people inside the historic Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, in Charleston, South Carolina. Eight die at the scene; a ninth dies at a hospital. Roof is arrested the following day; according to police, he confesses and tells investigators he wanted to start a race war. Roof is convicted of hate crimes in federal court and is sentenced to death and later convicted of murder in state court. 9 dead.

October 1, 2015 – Gunman Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer shoots and kills nine people, injuring another nine, at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon. The shooter dies after a gun battle with police at the college. Six weapons were recovered at the school; another seven were recovered at Harper-Mercer’s home. 9 dead.

December 2, 2015 – Married couple Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik open fire on an employee gathering taking place at Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, California, killing 14 people. 14 dead.

June 12, 2016 – Omar Saddiqui Mateen, 29, opens fire inside Pulse, a gay nightclub, in Orlando. At least 49 people are killed and more than 50 are injured. Police shoot and kill Mateen during an operation to free hostages officials say he was holding at the club. 49 dead.

October 1, 2017 – In Las Vegas, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock of Mesquite, Nevada, sprays gunfire on a crowd of 22,000 concertgoers from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, killing 58 people and injuring almost 500. Witnesses say the gunshots last between 10 and 15 minutes. Officers breach Paddock’s hotel room to find him dead. Authorities believe Paddock killed himself and that he acted alone. 58 dead.

November 5, 2017 – A gunman opens fire on a small church in Sutherland Springs, Texas killing 25 people and an unborn child and wounding 20 others. The shooter, identified by two law enforcement sources as Devin Patrick Kelley, is found dead after a brief chase, but it’s unclear if it was self-inflicted. 25 and an unborn child dead.

February 14, 2018 – A former student unleashes a hail of gunfire at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, killing at least 17 adults and children. Nikolas Cruz, 19, has been charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder. 17 dead.


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on April 03, 2018, 01:42:32 PM
Virgina Tech . . . Las Vegas . . . two I can think of missing from the list.


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 03, 2018, 09:32:19 PM
Contrast & compare compilation of average number of various US annual causes of death since 1950, extrapolated from various government sources:

Abortions- aprx 550,000 year

Cancer- aprx 350,000 year

Heart disease- aprx 200,000 year

Obesity- aprx 150,000 year

Medical errors- aprx 100,000 year

Stroke- aprx 60,000 year

Unintended accidents- 60,000 year

Auto accidents- aprx 30,000 year (per CDC data, in 2015, 2,333 teens in the United States ages 16–19 were killed;  six teens ages 16–19 died every day from motor vehicle injuries. In 2013, young people ages 15-19 represented only 7% of the U.S. population. However, they accounted for 11% ($10 billion) of the total costs of motor vehicle injuries ).1

Hospital infections- aprx 25,000 year

Diabetes- aprx 25,000 year

Pneumonia- aprx 20,000 year

Unintended poisoning- aprx 12,000 year

Drunk driving- aprx 10,000 year

Accidental prescription overdose- aprx 6,000 year (aprx opioid addiction deaths, 2016- 42,000)

Murder by gun- aprx 4,000 year (latest FBI statistics from 2016 report 2,380 Blacks were murdered by other Blacks. During the same period, 2,574 Whites were killed by Whites; qualitative analysis shows Blacks make up only 13% of the population yet nearly 50% of all murder victims in the most recent reporting period were Blacks killed by Blacks) (

Drowning- aprx 2,000 year

Accidental gun death- aprx 2,000 year

Armed Robbery deaths- aprx 200 year  (per US Bureau of Justice most recent figures- number of annual illegal alien adjudicated murder sentences- 24, or 12% of all murder convictions; per U.S. Numbers illegal aliens make up 3% of U.S. population)

Accidental electrocution- aprx 200 year

Justifiable homicides- aprx 150 year

Bee sting- aprx 50 year

Lightning- aprx 50 year

Mass shootings- aprx 7 year


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 04, 2018, 12:37:44 PM
 ….the guns are responsible….it’s the guns’ fault……we need MORE gun control laws….

….the prevailing false flag, red herring disinformation evangelism -

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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 05, 2018, 08:26:58 AM
….not the usual liberal main stream media brain washing pabulum hype, -

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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 05, 2018, 08:29:20 AM
….new Florida gun laws enacted following Parkland school shooting in action-

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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 05, 2018, 08:43:19 AM
…. repeal the 2nd amendment to control gun violence-

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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 05, 2018, 08:44:45 AM
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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 06, 2018, 04:47:18 PM
....the silent majority -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dZn0D_9VY8


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 08, 2018, 08:29:44 PM
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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 08, 2018, 08:30:32 PM
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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 08, 2018, 08:31:04 PM
....imagine that-

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.... just a hunch –

....Hogg will be winging his way to  the UK to organize/lead student walk outs and shilling the British Cutlery and Silverware Association has blood on its hands.....
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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 09, 2018, 10:00:15 PM
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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: clp_lives on April 11, 2018, 10:15:34 PM
Clearly the US has a problem looking at these numbers.....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html)

The NRA membership is about 2% of the US population and it seems recent court rulings, bank decisions on funding, and company sales decisions are showing they are not as powerful as they once have been.  2% really does not have an impact if you boycott vs. 98%.


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 12, 2018, 10:05:20 AM
....comparing the NRA with the Tobacco Lobby dumb as rocks?

....apparently, rocks....well, in some minds, ....might rock.

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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 12, 2018, 10:45:37 AM
....guns bad....

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 ....does beg the question-

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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 12, 2018, 10:46:31 AM
....m-m-m-m-m-....

....we-e-e-ll.........maybe..... not so much-

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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: Lifetime on April 12, 2018, 10:59:51 AM
Hmmm and numbers are the qualifier to having an impact on the Government as laws??

Less than 4% of US population listed as LGBT... Yet they sway Lawmakers

Little over half of the registered Voters...even vote... ( and not just for D or R) Yet they sway Lawmakers

The ACLU and the like ...represent very small % of orgs...such as those suing municipalities and schools over religious displays, but... they sway Lawmakers..

If you are talking 2% of the total population... is one number or 2% of adults legal to own fire arms??? Not sure the number but... 2% of the ENTIRE population... including infants, deaf, blind, mentally challenged...can mean a plethora of numbers. 2% of the ENTIRE USA Population is approx..... 6,400,000. I would say, that is a substantial amount...as long as they stay engaged...


So.... maybe we need to clarify "numbers" and not obfuscate with percentages.... If I ran a footrace and came in second... that would be better if there were 1000 participants and not.... TWO. Numbers need clarified.









Clearly the US has a problem looking at these numbers.....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html)

The NRA membership is about 2% of the US population and it seems recent court rulings, bank decisions on funding, and company sales decisions are showing they are not as powerful as they once have been.  2% really does not have an impact if you boycott vs. 98%.


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: clp_lives on April 12, 2018, 11:27:33 AM
Approx. 5 million NRA members, 325M people in the US.   If a company is worried about a boycott on a decision they are making they look at the impact and right now more than half believe in stricter gun controls, and that is a lot of people.  Certainly each poll provides slightly different numbers but the trend is there even with owners of guns.  Most gun owners I have talked to believe the mentally ill should not be allowed to buy a gun as an example of some common sense restrictions, but yet the current administration deemed it ok.


http://time.com/5167216/americans-gun-control-support-poll-2018/ (http://time.com/5167216/americans-gun-control-support-poll-2018/)

Hmmm and numbers are the qualifier to having an impact on the Government as laws??

Less than 4% of US population listed as LGBT... Yet they sway Lawmakers

Little over half of the registered Voters...even vote... ( and not just for D or R) Yet they sway Lawmakers

The ACLU and the like ...represent very small % of orgs...such as those suing municipalities and schools over religious displays, but... they sway Lawmakers..

If you are talking 2% of the total population... is one number or 2% of adults legal to own fire arms??? Not sure the number but... 2% of the ENTIRE population... including infants, deaf, blind, mentally challenged...can mean a plethora of numbers. 2% of the ENTIRE USA Population is approx..... 6,400,000. I would say, that is a substantial amount...as long as they stay engaged...


So.... maybe we need to clarify "numbers" and not obfuscate with percentages.... If I ran a footrace and came in second... that would be better if there were 1000 participants and not.... TWO. Numbers need clarified.









Clearly the US has a problem looking at these numbers.....

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html[/url] ([url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html[/url])

The NRA membership is about 2% of the US population and it seems recent court rulings, bank decisions on funding, and company sales decisions are showing they are not as powerful as they once have been.  2% really does not have an impact if you boycott vs. 98%.



Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 12, 2018, 11:38:49 AM
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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: Lifetime on April 12, 2018, 02:26:47 PM
I am almost on the verge of choking while laughing... "Mentally Ill"... good words... Now lets DEFINE and then find out who is authorized to deem someone MENTALLY ILL at the point of denying the right. What would be the route of redress? AND... under laws already present.... only speaking of the last two incidences ... Vegas and Florida...

Vegas: Law was already in place to prevent the guy from possessing firearms... The problem.... The fact that the Air Force did not follow through with the paperwork on him when he was DISHONORABLY DISCHARGED.. The USAF dropped the ball... the law was there and clear.

Florida: How many "Red Flags" were needed to "BAKER ACT" that kid??? 2..5...10...30... He had over 30 incidences that should have indicated that the BAKER ACT was necessary yet... the Local LEOs ...DROPPED THE BALL....the law was there and clear..

My point could be that the LAWS are there...it takes the brains and Cajones to use them and take the responsibilities to do so. How many others could have been prevented if they even had a clue they had the ability to block the actions... Even that Arab Major that shout soldiers at Fort Hood could have been stopped had his original commander had the balls to nip it in the budd instead of promoting him and shipping him out of his AO to be someone else's problem.

And I am not in belief of the MORE THAN HALF want unbridled GUN LAWS... The mental issue is...Pardon the Pun...a NO BRAINER and there are restrictions...again... define the Mentally Ill and tell me WHO has the Authority??? If it were me... my parameters would be different than yours I bet.


Approx. 5 million NRA members, 325M people in the US.   If a company is worried about a boycott on a decision they are making they look at the impact and right now more than half believe in stricter gun controls, and that is a lot of people.  Certainly each poll provides slightly different numbers but the trend is there even with owners of guns.  Most gun owners I have talked to believe the mentally ill should not be allowed to buy a gun as an example of some common sense restrictions, but yet the current administration deemed it ok.


[url]http://time.com/5167216/americans-gun-control-support-poll-2018/[/url] ([url]http://time.com/5167216/americans-gun-control-support-poll-2018/[/url])

Hmmm and numbers are the qualifier to having an impact on the Government as laws??

Less than 4% of US population listed as LGBT... Yet they sway Lawmakers

Little over half of the registered Voters...even vote... ( and not just for D or R) Yet they sway Lawmakers

The ACLU and the like ...represent very small % of orgs...such as those suing municipalities and schools over religious displays, but... they sway Lawmakers..

If you are talking 2% of the total population... is one number or 2% of adults legal to own fire arms??? Not sure the number but... 2% of the ENTIRE population... including infants, deaf, blind, mentally challenged...can mean a plethora of numbers. 2% of the ENTIRE USA Population is approx..... 6,400,000. I would say, that is a substantial amount...as long as they stay engaged...


So.... maybe we need to clarify "numbers" and not obfuscate with percentages.... If I ran a footrace and came in second... that would be better if there were 1000 participants and not.... TWO. Numbers need clarified.









Clearly the US has a problem looking at these numbers.....

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html[/url] ([url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html[/url])

The NRA membership is about 2% of the US population and it seems recent court rulings, bank decisions on funding, and company sales decisions are showing they are not as powerful as they once have been.  2% really does not have an impact if you boycott vs. 98%.




Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 12, 2018, 06:05:09 PM
....just in case you haven't seen it....getting batty-

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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: clp_lives on April 13, 2018, 12:53:07 PM
Well in the case of retrictions on gun purchases for the mentally ill it is really the laws WERE there, until the current administration just got rid of it.
In the case of this restriction the definition of mental illness was clear:

While the list of eligible mental disorders is long -- ranging from anxiety to eating disorders to schizophrenia -- those who would have been reported by the agency had to meet two main criteria: a) They were receiving full disability benefits because of a mental illness and couldn't work and b) they were unable to manage their own benefits, thus needing the help of a third party to do so.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/trump-gun-legislation-mental-health/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/trump-gun-legislation-mental-health/index.html)


To me those that meet these 2 criteria should not be allowed to purchase guns as they apparently are so incapacitated they cannot work and must live off full disability.



My point could be that the LAWS are there...


Hmmm and numbers are the qualifier to having an impact on the Government as laws??

Less than 4% of US population listed as LGBT... Yet they sway Lawmakers

Little over half of the registered Voters...even vote... ( and not just for D or R) Yet they sway Lawmakers

The ACLU and the like ...represent very small % of orgs...such as those suing municipalities and schools over religious displays, but... they sway Lawmakers..

If you are talking 2% of the total population... is one number or 2% of adults legal to own fire arms??? Not sure the number but... 2% of the ENTIRE population... including infants, deaf, blind, mentally challenged...can mean a plethora of numbers. 2% of the ENTIRE USA Population is approx..... 6,400,000. I would say, that is a substantial amount...as long as they stay engaged...


So.... maybe we need to clarify "numbers" and not obfuscate with percentages.... If I ran a footrace and came in second... that would be better if there were 1000 participants and not.... TWO. Numbers need clarified.









Clearly the US has a problem looking at these numbers.....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html)

The NRA membership is about 2% of the US population and it seems recent court rulings, bank decisions on funding, and company sales decisions are showing they are not as powerful as they once have been.  2% really does not have an impact if you boycott vs. 98%.


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 13, 2018, 02:21:41 PM
Well in the case of retrictions  [sic] on gun purchases for the mentally ill it is really the laws WERE there, until the current administration just got rid of it.
 
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.... for the newer readers to the forum, as a decorated combat veteran retiree, having spent a full career repeatedly swearing oaths to defend and support the constitution of the United States, I’m on record pro-actively and proudly supporting and defending posters exercising their constitutionally guaranteed freedom of speech rights in expressing ill-informed delusional ignorance on a world wide forum.







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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 14, 2018, 09:32:40 AM
Rather enlightening that the snowflake-vaunted SNOPES leaves out the all the pertinent facts which do not fit their leftist politically biased agenda on the matter. 

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....”MOSTLY TRUE”....

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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: Lifetime on April 14, 2018, 09:48:31 AM
Hmmm which one of these were able to be slapped on the Vegas shooter or even Cruz in Florida... or even Maj. Nadal Hasan in Ft. Hood??

I know more than a few Vietvets, as well as many from the Sand Box Wars who are total disabled ( can't work) with PTSD, yet are able to handle their finances and lives on their own with treatments they receive... so are you aiming at ...Veterans? Be very careful when you fire a shotgun...collateral damage will occur when you don't want it.


Well in the case of retrictions on gun purchases for the mentally ill it is really the laws WERE there, until the current administration just got rid of it.
In the case of this restriction the definition of mental illness was clear:

While the list of eligible mental disorders is long -- ranging from anxiety to eating disorders to schizophrenia -- those who would have been reported by the agency had to meet two main criteria: a) They were receiving full disability benefits because of a mental illness and couldn't work and b) they were unable to manage their own benefits, thus needing the help of a third party to do so.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/trump-gun-legislation-mental-health/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/trump-gun-legislation-mental-health/index.html)


To me those that meet these 2 criteria should not be allowed to purchase guns as they apparently are so incapacitated they cannot work and must live off full disability.



My point could be that the LAWS are there...


Hmmm and numbers are the qualifier to having an impact on the Government as laws??

Less than 4% of US population listed as LGBT... Yet they sway Lawmakers

Little over half of the registered Voters...even vote... ( and not just for D or R) Yet they sway Lawmakers

The ACLU and the like ...represent very small % of orgs...such as those suing municipalities and schools over religious displays, but... they sway Lawmakers..

If you are talking 2% of the total population... is one number or 2% of adults legal to own fire arms??? Not sure the number but... 2% of the ENTIRE population... including infants, deaf, blind, mentally challenged...can mean a plethora of numbers. 2% of the ENTIRE USA Population is approx..... 6,400,000. I would say, that is a substantial amount...as long as they stay engaged...


So.... maybe we need to clarify "numbers" and not obfuscate with percentages.... If I ran a footrace and came in second... that would be better if there were 1000 participants and not.... TWO. Numbers need clarified.









Clearly the US has a problem looking at these numbers.....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html)

The NRA membership is about 2% of the US population and it seems recent court rulings, bank decisions on funding, and company sales decisions are showing they are not as powerful as they once have been.  2% really does not have an impact if you boycott vs. 98%.


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: Lifetime on April 14, 2018, 09:59:45 AM
Gore Ranger...

Appreciation of your service...Decorated Combat Vet as well... I, for one, want to know the specific areas that were lifted by Trump. What parameters were in place before and after. I know what the parameters are for Veterans to be considered in revoking the ability to possess/own firearms/ammunition. I would hope that the lines are CLEAR to determine the defined areas for our population and hope that it would not be something like HOARDING or Pornography, or worse...OMG  :o worship of Pagan Gods/Witchcraft. Parameters and Proof are key. IMHO




Well in the case of retrictions  [sic] on gun purchases for the mentally ill it is really the laws WERE there, until the current administration just got rid of it.
 
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.... for the newer readers to the forum, as a decorated combat veteran retiree, having spent a full career repeatedly swearing oaths to defend and support the constitution of the United States, I’m on record pro-actively and proudly supporting and defending posters exercising their constitutionally guaranteed freedom of speech rights in expressing ill-informed delusional ignorance on a world wide forum.







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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 14, 2018, 10:49:25 AM
Hmmm which one of these were able to be slapped  on ... Cruz in Florida  ...


    ...
I know what the parameters are for Veterans to be considered in revoking the ability to possess/own firearms/ammunition. I would hope that the lines are CLEAR to determine the defined areas for our population
   ... 
 



....the documented factual reality is the touchy-feely, self-esteem-feeding, emotionally delluded paper-pushing/money  grabbing liberal bureaucrats  intentionally changed the high school incident reporting requirements so that it falsely appears legitimate crime incidents in schools are not reported as such, making it appear crime incidents in schools are lower than actually occurring, with the motivation o that minorities are not being discriminated against/victimized due to their acting out in school....

....got to love the irony mental heath challenged/socially isolated Cruz is factually documented having been heavily bullied in school, and now -

....the wasn’t-even-in-school-that-day Camera Hogg is the victim.....and  financially propped up to beat the to restrict second amendment self protection rights drum because –

....the utterly ignorant-of-the-law/Supreme Court rulings Camera Hogg believes only the authorities have the right to possess guns to protect you....the same authorities –

.....which had scores of contact with the challenging Cruz and-


.... completely failed to protect any body....


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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 14, 2018, 10:52:38 AM
....its Bush's Trump's fault :D ....


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: Lifetime on April 14, 2018, 12:15:48 PM
Gore.... my part in Florida..... My Step Daughter is the head of Nursing in Broward County Schools and her daughter is a senior at Stoneman Douglas. I can't wait until she is out of there and in College. She says it is a Media Circus.... only for stories, not the kids. She lost 3 personal friends in this mess. Cruz was KNOWN to be unstable by LOE and still no actions...

And... unlike her classmate Hogg, she doesn't look at herself as a survivor as she was not in the AO of the firepower....luckily.


....its Bush's Trump's fault :D ....


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: clp_lives on April 15, 2018, 12:24:36 PM
The determination Under Obama was an "and", not "or" so they needed both criteria, so yes if a veteran also could not manage their own benefits and needed a third party to do so then they should fall into that category as well, no exceptions.  I am not aiming at any particular group individually.


and b) they were unable to manage their own benefits, thus needing the help of a third party to do so.


We have incidents like this an adult shooting at a 14 year old kid in broad daylight asking for directions just because he is black and that is a problem in our society. 


http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/black-teen-misses-bus-gets-shot-at-after-asking-for-directions-in-rochester-hills (http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/black-teen-misses-bus-gets-shot-at-after-asking-for-directions-in-rochester-hills)

Hmmm which one of these were able to be slapped on the Vegas shooter or even Cruz in Florida... or even Maj. Nadal Hasan in Ft. Hood??

I know more than a few Vietvets, as well as many from the Sand Box Wars who are total disabled ( can't work) with PTSD, yet are able to handle their finances and lives on their own with treatments they receive... so are you aiming at ...Veterans? Be very careful when you fire a shotgun...collateral damage will occur when you don't want it.


Well in the case of retrictions on gun purchases for the mentally ill it is really the laws WERE there, until the current administration just got rid of it.
In the case of this restriction the definition of mental illness was clear:

While the list of eligible mental disorders is long -- ranging from anxiety to eating disorders to schizophrenia -- those who would have been reported by the agency had to meet two main criteria: a) They were receiving full disability benefits because of a mental illness and couldn't work and b) they were unable to manage their own benefits, thus needing the help of a third party to do so.
[url]https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/trump-gun-legislation-mental-health/index.html[/url] ([url]https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/trump-gun-legislation-mental-health/index.html[/url])


To me those that meet these 2 criteria should not be allowed to purchase guns as they apparently are so incapacitated they cannot work and must live off full disability.



My point could be that the LAWS are there...


Hmmm and numbers are the qualifier to having an impact on the Government as laws??

Less than 4% of US population listed as LGBT... Yet they sway Lawmakers

Little over half of the registered Voters...even vote... ( and not just for D or R) Yet they sway Lawmakers

The ACLU and the like ...represent very small % of orgs...such as those suing municipalities and schools over religious displays, but... they sway Lawmakers..

If you are talking 2% of the total population... is one number or 2% of adults legal to own fire arms??? Not sure the number but... 2% of the ENTIRE population... including infants, deaf, blind, mentally challenged...can mean a plethora of numbers. 2% of the ENTIRE USA Population is approx..... 6,400,000. I would say, that is a substantial amount...as long as they stay engaged...


So.... maybe we need to clarify "numbers" and not obfuscate with percentages.... If I ran a footrace and came in second... that would be better if there were 1000 participants and not.... TWO. Numbers need clarified.









Clearly the US has a problem looking at these numbers.....

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html[/url] ([url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html[/url])

The NRA membership is about 2% of the US population and it seems recent court rulings, bank decisions on funding, and company sales decisions are showing they are not as powerful as they once have been.  2% really does not have an impact if you boycott vs. 98%.






Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: Lifetime on April 15, 2018, 04:00:49 PM
AGAIN....WHO makes that determination and what will be the abilities and parameters of redress? My own wife thinks I am nutz at times but i don't want HER to determine my abilities to handle things... WHO and WHAT???



The determination Under Obama was an "and", not "or" so they needed both criteria, so yes if a veteran also could not manage their own benefits and needed a third party to do so then they should fall into that category as well, no exceptions.  I am not aiming at any particular group individually.


and b) they were unable to manage their own benefits, thus needing the help of a third party to do so.


We have incidents like this an adult shooting at a 14 year old kid in broad daylight asking for directions just because he is black and that is a problem in our society. 


[url]http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/black-teen-misses-bus-gets-shot-at-after-asking-for-directions-in-rochester-hills[/url] ([url]http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/black-teen-misses-bus-gets-shot-at-after-asking-for-directions-in-rochester-hills[/url])

Hmmm which one of these were able to be slapped on the Vegas shooter or even Cruz in Florida... or even Maj. Nadal Hasan in Ft. Hood??

I know more than a few Vietvets, as well as many from the Sand Box Wars who are total disabled ( can't work) with PTSD, yet are able to handle their finances and lives on their own with treatments they receive... so are you aiming at ...Veterans? Be very careful when you fire a shotgun...collateral damage will occur when you don't want it.


Well in the case of retrictions on gun purchases for the mentally ill it is really the laws WERE there, until the current administration just got rid of it.
In the case of this restriction the definition of mental illness was clear:

While the list of eligible mental disorders is long -- ranging from anxiety to eating disorders to schizophrenia -- those who would have been reported by the agency had to meet two main criteria: a) They were receiving full disability benefits because of a mental illness and couldn't work and b) they were unable to manage their own benefits, thus needing the help of a third party to do so.
[url]https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/trump-gun-legislation-mental-health/index.html[/url] ([url]https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/trump-gun-legislation-mental-health/index.html[/url])


To me those that meet these 2 criteria should not be allowed to purchase guns as they apparently are so incapacitated they cannot work and must live off full disability.



My point could be that the LAWS are there...


Hmmm and numbers are the qualifier to having an impact on the Government as laws??

Less than 4% of US population listed as LGBT... Yet they sway Lawmakers

Little over half of the registered Voters...even vote... ( and not just for D or R) Yet they sway Lawmakers

The ACLU and the like ...represent very small % of orgs...such as those suing municipalities and schools over religious displays, but... they sway Lawmakers..

If you are talking 2% of the total population... is one number or 2% of adults legal to own fire arms??? Not sure the number but... 2% of the ENTIRE population... including infants, deaf, blind, mentally challenged...can mean a plethora of numbers. 2% of the ENTIRE USA Population is approx..... 6,400,000. I would say, that is a substantial amount...as long as they stay engaged...


So.... maybe we need to clarify "numbers" and not obfuscate with percentages.... If I ran a footrace and came in second... that would be better if there were 1000 participants and not.... TWO. Numbers need clarified.









Clearly the US has a problem looking at these numbers.....

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html[/url] ([url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html[/url])

The NRA membership is about 2% of the US population and it seems recent court rulings, bank decisions on funding, and company sales decisions are showing they are not as powerful as they once have been.  2% really does not have an impact if you boycott vs. 98%.







Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 16, 2018, 09:21:37 AM
   ...
We have incidents like this an adult shooting at a 14 year old kid in broad daylight asking for directions just because he is black and that is a problem in our society. 
[url]http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/black-teen-misses-bus-gets-shot-at-after-asking-for-directions-in-rochester-hills[/url] ([url]http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/black-teen-misses-bus-gets-shot-at-after-asking-for-directions-in-rochester-hills[/url])
   ...


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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 16, 2018, 09:21:56 AM
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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 16, 2018, 09:26:18 AM
...” and that is a problem in our society”...



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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 18, 2018, 08:53:57 AM
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Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: clp_lives on April 18, 2018, 08:23:02 PM
Lawsuits are having an effect and fund managers are pulling money from their stocks.

http://triblive.com/usworld/world/13551796-74/largest-maker-of-bump-stocks-to-discontinue-purchases-website (http://triblive.com/usworld/world/13551796-74/largest-maker-of-bump-stocks-to-discontinue-purchases-website)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/03/26/gun-maker-remington-americas-oldest-files-chapter-11-bankruptcy/457709002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/03/26/gun-maker-remington-americas-oldest-files-chapter-11-bankruptcy/457709002/)


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 18, 2018, 09:01:45 PM
Lawsuits are having an effect and fund managers are pulling money from their stocks.

....good to know, dear....

"...In interviews on Monday, some independent gun dealers said they were unsurprised by the bankruptcy filing. Although Remington's rifles and shotguns are well regarded, the dealers said the company focused its attention on big-box stores, and then those retailers started pulling out of the market

"...Remington bet on the wrong horse," said Justin Anderson, the marketing director for Hyatt Guns in Charlotte, which advertises itself as the nation's single-largest gun store. "They turned their backs on shops like ours."

There are no federal statistics on nationwide gun sales that might show industry slumps affecting Remington and other firearms makers.

However, statistics from the FBI show that the total of all types of background checks fell nearly 8.4%, to roughly 25.2 million, in 2017, the year of President Trump's inauguration.

Firearms background checks increased steadily during much of President Obama's two-term White House tenure, as well as during President George W. Bush's second White House term, the data show.

A caveat with the data states that "a one-to-one correlation cannot be made between a firearm background check and a firearm sale."

Separately, U.S. firearms manufacturing increased 43%, to more than 9.3 million weapons, from 2011 through 2015, according to data issued by the U.S. Department of Justice's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

In all, 3.6 million rifles and 3.5 million handguns were manufactured in the U.S. in 2015 the data showed. Rifle manufacturing was up 9% from 2014, while the number of pistols manufactured was down roughly 2% during the same one-year period, the data showed.


Owners of some gun shops saw a rush of firearms purchase in the months leading up to the 2016 presidential election, when polls predicted that Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton would likely win the White House. ...
 


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: clp_lives on April 19, 2018, 07:35:49 PM
Wells will eventually cave as well, only a matter of time as the other big ones already did.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/04/19/wells-fargo-guns-aft/529717002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/04/19/wells-fargo-guns-aft/529717002/)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/04/13/jpmorgan-chase-limits-business-gunmakers-while-wells-fargo-continues/515430002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/04/13/jpmorgan-chase-limits-business-gunmakers-while-wells-fargo-continues/515430002/)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/04/11/bank-america-halting-business-makers-military-style-guns-civilian-use/506223002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/04/11/bank-america-halting-business-makers-military-style-guns-civilian-use/506223002/)

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/17/dicks-sporting-goods-to-destroy-all-unsold-firearms-pulled-from-shelves-after-parkland-shooting.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/04/17/dicks-sporting-goods-to-destroy-all-unsold-firearms-pulled-from-shelves-after-parkland-shooting.html)


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 19, 2018, 07:50:12 PM
....run with it, hon ;) .

Run hard, run long.  I'm comfortable with it :D


Title: Re: ....bang bang....
Post by: gore range on April 20, 2018, 10:29:23 AM

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