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« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2018, 10:00:15 PM »


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« Reply #46 on: April 11, 2018, 10:15:34 PM »
Clearly the US has a problem looking at these numbers.....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html

The NRA membership is about 2% of the US population and it seems recent court rulings, bank decisions on funding, and company sales decisions are showing they are not as powerful as they once have been.  2% really does not have an impact if you boycott vs. 98%.
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« Reply #47 on: April 12, 2018, 10:05:20 AM »
....comparing the NRA with the Tobacco Lobby dumb as rocks?

....apparently, rocks....well, in some minds, ....might rock.


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« Reply #48 on: April 12, 2018, 10:45:37 AM »
....guns bad....



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« Reply #49 on: April 12, 2018, 10:46:31 AM »
....m-m-m-m-m-....

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« Reply #50 on: April 12, 2018, 10:59:51 AM »
Hmmm and numbers are the qualifier to having an impact on the Government as laws??

Less than 4% of US population listed as LGBT... Yet they sway Lawmakers

Little over half of the registered Voters...even vote... ( and not just for D or R) Yet they sway Lawmakers

The ACLU and the like ...represent very small % of orgs...such as those suing municipalities and schools over religious displays, but... they sway Lawmakers..

If you are talking 2% of the total population... is one number or 2% of adults legal to own fire arms??? Not sure the number but... 2% of the ENTIRE population... including infants, deaf, blind, mentally challenged...can mean a plethora of numbers. 2% of the ENTIRE USA Population is approx..... 6,400,000. I would say, that is a substantial amount...as long as they stay engaged...


So.... maybe we need to clarify "numbers" and not obfuscate with percentages.... If I ran a footrace and came in second... that would be better if there were 1000 participants and not.... TWO. Numbers need clarified.









Clearly the US has a problem looking at these numbers.....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html

The NRA membership is about 2% of the US population and it seems recent court rulings, bank decisions on funding, and company sales decisions are showing they are not as powerful as they once have been.  2% really does not have an impact if you boycott vs. 98%.
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« Reply #51 on: April 12, 2018, 11:27:33 AM »
Approx. 5 million NRA members, 325M people in the US.   If a company is worried about a boycott on a decision they are making they look at the impact and right now more than half believe in stricter gun controls, and that is a lot of people.  Certainly each poll provides slightly different numbers but the trend is there even with owners of guns.  Most gun owners I have talked to believe the mentally ill should not be allowed to buy a gun as an example of some common sense restrictions, but yet the current administration deemed it ok.


http://time.com/5167216/americans-gun-control-support-poll-2018/

Hmmm and numbers are the qualifier to having an impact on the Government as laws??

Less than 4% of US population listed as LGBT... Yet they sway Lawmakers

Little over half of the registered Voters...even vote... ( and not just for D or R) Yet they sway Lawmakers

The ACLU and the like ...represent very small % of orgs...such as those suing municipalities and schools over religious displays, but... they sway Lawmakers..

If you are talking 2% of the total population... is one number or 2% of adults legal to own fire arms??? Not sure the number but... 2% of the ENTIRE population... including infants, deaf, blind, mentally challenged...can mean a plethora of numbers. 2% of the ENTIRE USA Population is approx..... 6,400,000. I would say, that is a substantial amount...as long as they stay engaged...


So.... maybe we need to clarify "numbers" and not obfuscate with percentages.... If I ran a footrace and came in second... that would be better if there were 1000 participants and not.... TWO. Numbers need clarified.









Clearly the US has a problem looking at these numbers.....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html

The NRA membership is about 2% of the US population and it seems recent court rulings, bank decisions on funding, and company sales decisions are showing they are not as powerful as they once have been.  2% really does not have an impact if you boycott vs. 98%.

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« Reply #52 on: April 12, 2018, 11:38:49 AM »
 
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« Reply #53 on: April 12, 2018, 02:26:47 PM »
I am almost on the verge of choking while laughing... "Mentally Ill"... good words... Now lets DEFINE and then find out who is authorized to deem someone MENTALLY ILL at the point of denying the right. What would be the route of redress? AND... under laws already present.... only speaking of the last two incidences ... Vegas and Florida...

Vegas: Law was already in place to prevent the guy from possessing firearms... The problem.... The fact that the Air Force did not follow through with the paperwork on him when he was DISHONORABLY DISCHARGED.. The USAF dropped the ball... the law was there and clear.

Florida: How many "Red Flags" were needed to "BAKER ACT" that kid??? 2..5...10...30... He had over 30 incidences that should have indicated that the BAKER ACT was necessary yet... the Local LEOs ...DROPPED THE BALL....the law was there and clear..

My point could be that the LAWS are there...it takes the brains and Cajones to use them and take the responsibilities to do so. How many others could have been prevented if they even had a clue they had the ability to block the actions... Even that Arab Major that shout soldiers at Fort Hood could have been stopped had his original commander had the balls to nip it in the budd instead of promoting him and shipping him out of his AO to be someone else's problem.

And I am not in belief of the MORE THAN HALF want unbridled GUN LAWS... The mental issue is...Pardon the Pun...a NO BRAINER and there are restrictions...again... define the Mentally Ill and tell me WHO has the Authority??? If it were me... my parameters would be different than yours I bet.


Approx. 5 million NRA members, 325M people in the US.   If a company is worried about a boycott on a decision they are making they look at the impact and right now more than half believe in stricter gun controls, and that is a lot of people.  Certainly each poll provides slightly different numbers but the trend is there even with owners of guns.  Most gun owners I have talked to believe the mentally ill should not be allowed to buy a gun as an example of some common sense restrictions, but yet the current administration deemed it ok.


http://time.com/5167216/americans-gun-control-support-poll-2018/

Hmmm and numbers are the qualifier to having an impact on the Government as laws??

Less than 4% of US population listed as LGBT... Yet they sway Lawmakers

Little over half of the registered Voters...even vote... ( and not just for D or R) Yet they sway Lawmakers

The ACLU and the like ...represent very small % of orgs...such as those suing municipalities and schools over religious displays, but... they sway Lawmakers..

If you are talking 2% of the total population... is one number or 2% of adults legal to own fire arms??? Not sure the number but... 2% of the ENTIRE population... including infants, deaf, blind, mentally challenged...can mean a plethora of numbers. 2% of the ENTIRE USA Population is approx..... 6,400,000. I would say, that is a substantial amount...as long as they stay engaged...


So.... maybe we need to clarify "numbers" and not obfuscate with percentages.... If I ran a footrace and came in second... that would be better if there were 1000 participants and not.... TWO. Numbers need clarified.









Clearly the US has a problem looking at these numbers.....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html

The NRA membership is about 2% of the US population and it seems recent court rulings, bank decisions on funding, and company sales decisions are showing they are not as powerful as they once have been.  2% really does not have an impact if you boycott vs. 98%.


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« Reply #54 on: April 12, 2018, 06:05:09 PM »
....just in case you haven't seen it....getting batty-



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« Reply #55 on: April 13, 2018, 12:53:07 PM »
Well in the case of retrictions on gun purchases for the mentally ill it is really the laws WERE there, until the current administration just got rid of it.
In the case of this restriction the definition of mental illness was clear:

While the list of eligible mental disorders is long -- ranging from anxiety to eating disorders to schizophrenia -- those who would have been reported by the agency had to meet two main criteria: a) They were receiving full disability benefits because of a mental illness and couldn't work and b) they were unable to manage their own benefits, thus needing the help of a third party to do so.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/trump-gun-legislation-mental-health/index.html


To me those that meet these 2 criteria should not be allowed to purchase guns as they apparently are so incapacitated they cannot work and must live off full disability.



My point could be that the LAWS are there...


Hmmm and numbers are the qualifier to having an impact on the Government as laws??

Less than 4% of US population listed as LGBT... Yet they sway Lawmakers

Little over half of the registered Voters...even vote... ( and not just for D or R) Yet they sway Lawmakers

The ACLU and the like ...represent very small % of orgs...such as those suing municipalities and schools over religious displays, but... they sway Lawmakers..

If you are talking 2% of the total population... is one number or 2% of adults legal to own fire arms??? Not sure the number but... 2% of the ENTIRE population... including infants, deaf, blind, mentally challenged...can mean a plethora of numbers. 2% of the ENTIRE USA Population is approx..... 6,400,000. I would say, that is a substantial amount...as long as they stay engaged...


So.... maybe we need to clarify "numbers" and not obfuscate with percentages.... If I ran a footrace and came in second... that would be better if there were 1000 participants and not.... TWO. Numbers need clarified.









Clearly the US has a problem looking at these numbers.....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html

The NRA membership is about 2% of the US population and it seems recent court rulings, bank decisions on funding, and company sales decisions are showing they are not as powerful as they once have been.  2% really does not have an impact if you boycott vs. 98%.
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« Reply #56 on: April 13, 2018, 02:21:41 PM »
Well in the case of retrictions [sic] on gun purchases for the mentally ill it is really the laws WERE there, until the current administration just got rid of it.
 
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« Reply #57 on: April 14, 2018, 09:32:40 AM »
Rather enlightening that the snowflake-vaunted SNOPES leaves out the all the pertinent facts which do not fit their leftist politically biased agenda on the matter. 





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« Reply #58 on: April 14, 2018, 09:48:31 AM »
Hmmm which one of these were able to be slapped on the Vegas shooter or even Cruz in Florida... or even Maj. Nadal Hasan in Ft. Hood??

I know more than a few Vietvets, as well as many from the Sand Box Wars who are total disabled ( can't work) with PTSD, yet are able to handle their finances and lives on their own with treatments they receive... so are you aiming at ...Veterans? Be very careful when you fire a shotgun...collateral damage will occur when you don't want it.


Well in the case of retrictions on gun purchases for the mentally ill it is really the laws WERE there, until the current administration just got rid of it.
In the case of this restriction the definition of mental illness was clear:

While the list of eligible mental disorders is long -- ranging from anxiety to eating disorders to schizophrenia -- those who would have been reported by the agency had to meet two main criteria: a) They were receiving full disability benefits because of a mental illness and couldn't work and b) they were unable to manage their own benefits, thus needing the help of a third party to do so.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/trump-gun-legislation-mental-health/index.html


To me those that meet these 2 criteria should not be allowed to purchase guns as they apparently are so incapacitated they cannot work and must live off full disability.



My point could be that the LAWS are there...


Hmmm and numbers are the qualifier to having an impact on the Government as laws??

Less than 4% of US population listed as LGBT... Yet they sway Lawmakers

Little over half of the registered Voters...even vote... ( and not just for D or R) Yet they sway Lawmakers

The ACLU and the like ...represent very small % of orgs...such as those suing municipalities and schools over religious displays, but... they sway Lawmakers..

If you are talking 2% of the total population... is one number or 2% of adults legal to own fire arms??? Not sure the number but... 2% of the ENTIRE population... including infants, deaf, blind, mentally challenged...can mean a plethora of numbers. 2% of the ENTIRE USA Population is approx..... 6,400,000. I would say, that is a substantial amount...as long as they stay engaged...


So.... maybe we need to clarify "numbers" and not obfuscate with percentages.... If I ran a footrace and came in second... that would be better if there were 1000 participants and not.... TWO. Numbers need clarified.









Clearly the US has a problem looking at these numbers.....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thank-shooting-will-nra-go-way-tobacco-lobby-090001394.html

The NRA membership is about 2% of the US population and it seems recent court rulings, bank decisions on funding, and company sales decisions are showing they are not as powerful as they once have been.  2% really does not have an impact if you boycott vs. 98%.
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« Reply #59 on: April 14, 2018, 09:59:45 AM »
Gore Ranger...

Appreciation of your service...Decorated Combat Vet as well... I, for one, want to know the specific areas that were lifted by Trump. What parameters were in place before and after. I know what the parameters are for Veterans to be considered in revoking the ability to possess/own firearms/ammunition. I would hope that the lines are CLEAR to determine the defined areas for our population and hope that it would not be something like HOARDING or Pornography, or worse...OMG  :o worship of Pagan Gods/Witchcraft. Parameters and Proof are key. IMHO




Well in the case of retrictions [sic] on gun purchases for the mentally ill it is really the laws WERE there, until the current administration just got rid of it.
 
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