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Title: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on January 30, 2017, 07:00:24 PM
Okay, I'll open it up for discussion. I'm sure it'll be polarized.

Anybody?


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on January 31, 2017, 07:16:08 AM
I think it's interesting how everyone wants to define 'us' - who 'we' are and what the country is about. You know, what do people think about when they see Old Glory? Quite frankly - I find it futile. The only thing I really have the wherewithal to do is define me - and the government I'm living with is no true reflection of that. Never has been . . . never will be.   


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on January 31, 2017, 07:50:12 AM
Americans, like any other nationality, religion, sect, fraternal organization or bridge club gets summarily classified, pigeon-holed and painted with a broad brush. It's easy and it doesn't take a lot of effort despite having rather inaccurate results. I see lots of slanderous generalizations on social media about how stupid the republicans or democrats are. Right now we're polarized to the point of some major squabbles that might have the possibility of escalating into something really bad.

There seems to be a general lack of respect for those that have a different point of view these days. The many different points of view is a large part of what actually defines us a a country. However, when one group wholesales another's value system almost by default because it doesn't line up with theirs, we are going to have issues.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on January 31, 2017, 08:41:26 AM
Back in the dark ages of the 60s, we were clearly taught in school about the idea of the US being a "melting pot" of all races, religions, cultures, but we all worked to get along and live together. That has apparently disappeared, and it distresses me when I see those in my age group (Boomers) walking away from that value, as some have. 


Of course, the longer I live, I realize that people are fundamentally selfish and we are seeing a very public expression of this right now.  This is a "what goes around, comes around" type of thing, I believe and it is an expression of the generational archtypes, which you can read about here:


http://www.lifecourse.com/about/method/generational-archetypes.html (http://www.lifecourse.com/about/method/generational-archetypes.html)  (Lifefeedsonlife you might know about this..)   


At any rater, we are in for challenging times. I just hope we don't regress too far from being a free society .


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on January 31, 2017, 08:53:11 AM
So we "define" each other... Hell I was informed I live in an "Alternate Reality" because of my views on life during the time I have been on earth. I guess I was accused of that because I didn't observe life out of other people's eyes.... No, I didn't do a "Black Like Me" experiment, nor did I try to dress like another gender. I lived my life and observed... my life. Yes... it made me more conservative so... now that makes me "wrong"?

Trump may be course in his approaches... Does that make him a resident of an "Alternate Reality" because of that? Or is it that NO ONE has ever been like him, in his present position, before. Does that make him totally wrong? I have only seen his methods ( that pertain to me and my life) for 2 weeks. We have 206 weeks to go. I will make my mind up in 50 more weeks.

In my alternate reality... I find people who scam our system bottom feeders, I find people who never sweat a day in their lives ( and are capable) and expect to be handed everything... in the same place I guess. Do I have compassion for those truly in need...yes I do. My Immigrant Father was a DEM all his life. He even liked Kennedy ( who by almost all standards would be considered Conservative today ). I do think, if he (my Father) were alive today, he would have voted for Trump. He may have even wanted to wait the next 50 weeks, along with me.

Trump wasn't taught the idiosyncrasies of politics but he seems a quick study. I remember when I couldn't dance for stepping on my partners toes... Since then I don't hear the yelp of pain anymore. I am not Astaire but I get by. This is a "new dance" for him and he approaches it to test the limits. He is a negotiator.... lets wait and watch.

A 2 week Administration is not one to gauge the entire trip on. Lets see what is brought up at his first "State Of The Union Address" next year. Then we can see if where he envisioned the trip to be, is the place where we find ourselves. Just my opinion from .... the Alternate Reality.





Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on January 31, 2017, 09:29:38 AM
The nationalist movement in full swing here is also gearing up heavily in France and spreading. I don't know all the reasons why, but I'd say there's a finite amount of whatever it is that people want or have to give and they either want more of it or they don't want to lose any more than they already have.

I think we got off on a non-POTUS foot and kind of delved into the ideological. But in terms of Trump, he is on a rampage to fulfill his campaign promises it seems. This is a good and a bad thing as he doesn't seem to take into consideration the how "do we get there from here" portion of what he's signing in. Yes, he has a cabinet full of people that will delegate stuff to those that will get tasked on how to figure it all out.

I'm not sure he understands the challenges running a government presents compared to a business. (For the record, I don't either)

The H-1B bill I can get behind despite the fact it could have a drastic impact on my life. I just hope its for the better if it comes to fruition.

I wasn't a fan of Obama and I'm not a fan of Trump's either. All that being said, every POTUS is going to do stuff I don't like and stuff I do like. What I like and don't like is not going to be a shared sentiment by all.  We're in for a controversial ride at the very least and I'll be armchair quarterbacking on some of the issues.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on January 31, 2017, 09:37:19 AM
I went to that list you posted and found myself all over that map. I found this ( I am no real fan of Aljazeera )

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/01/times-banned-immigrants-170128183528941.html (http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/01/times-banned-immigrants-170128183528941.html)

There are many other instances where we limited immigrants from areas by numbers as well.

I am not so sure this..

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

means sneak in to our country by ANY means.

 After 11 Sept 2001, the Statue of Liberty was closed for months and the statue remained off limits for several years. This very symbol had restrictions. Is it odd, that our country does as well?

The light is "by" the golden door but... to get through it seems to be the rules that need to be followed.

I know in the past we had QUOTAs as to how many from where. Vetting came to my Father on Ellis Island... Now... who knows how the system totally works? Times have changed. Are we really the "melting pot" ...all blended together or are we made up of "patches" each community/barrio...separate... different?







Back in the dark ages of the 60s, we were clearly taught in school about the idea of the US being a "melting pot" of all races, religions, cultures, but we all worked to get along and live together. That has apparently disappeared, and it distresses me when I see those in my age group (Boomers) walking away from that value, as some have. 


Of course, the longer I live, I realize that people are fundamentally selfish and we are seeing a very public expression of this right now.  This is a "what goes around, comes around" type of thing, I believe and it is an expression of the generational archtypes, which you can read about here:


[url]http://www.lifecourse.com/about/method/generational-archetypes.html[/url] ([url]http://www.lifecourse.com/about/method/generational-archetypes.html[/url])  (Lifefeedsonlife you might know about this..)   


At any rater, we are in for challenging times. I just hope we don't regress too far from being a free society .


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on January 31, 2017, 12:04:04 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on January 31, 2017, 07:03:59 PM
A ban on Muslim countries citing terrorism and 9/11 yet not one of the countries where the 9/11 hijackers were from were included including Saudi Arabia.  Oh that is right, those excluding seems also to be the ones that Trump has business ties to.  How long till we see impeachment proceedings for his conflicts of interest.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Janetplanet on January 31, 2017, 09:17:23 PM
What would Mr. Rogers do and say?


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 01, 2017, 07:49:55 AM
Something interesting I found along the way......

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/01/29/news-bulletin-the-list-of-muslim-nations-in-trumps-socalled-muslim-ban-are-ones-obama-choose-n2278021 (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/01/29/news-bulletin-the-list-of-muslim-nations-in-trumps-socalled-muslim-ban-are-ones-obama-choose-n2278021)




A ban on Muslim countries citing terrorism and 9/11 yet not one of the countries where the 9/11 hijackers were from were included including Saudi Arabia.  Oh that is right, those excluding seems also to be the ones that Trump has business ties to.  How long till we see impeachment proceedings for his conflicts of interest.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 01, 2017, 08:30:12 AM
This previous ruling is to prevent them using the Visa waiver program where they could previously enter without a Visa if visiting for less than 90 days.  Not the same as the restriction now but same affected countries it seems.
Something interesting I found along the way......

[url]http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/01/29/news-bulletin-the-list-of-muslim-nations-in-trumps-socalled-muslim-ban-are-ones-obama-choose-n2278021[/url] ([url]http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/01/29/news-bulletin-the-list-of-muslim-nations-in-trumps-socalled-muslim-ban-are-ones-obama-choose-n2278021[/url])




A ban on Muslim countries citing terrorism and 9/11 yet not one of the countries where the 9/11 hijackers were from were included including Saudi Arabia.  Oh that is right, those excluding seems also to be the ones that Trump has business ties to.  How long till we see impeachment proceedings for his conflicts of interest.



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Janetplanet on February 01, 2017, 10:15:23 AM
Funny how the republicans want to throw this onto Obama.  They keep quoting that over and over - maybe if they say it often enough they will believe it applies.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 01, 2017, 11:24:23 AM
Like beauty, humor is in the eye of the beholder.

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 01, 2017, 12:06:06 PM
And now the dance will begin.... a one and a two and a one....

Nothing for the last EIGHT FRACKING years but.... no matter the problem,  IT IS BUSH's FAULT!!!!!

Please.... 8 years compared to.... how many weeks??? Put ice cream on my arse and give me a break..... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

FACT.... and I will say it over and over......... the POTUS is...... D.J.Trump.... does that make it apply and is true to you? ???

Now show me where OBAMA didn't pick those paticular countries for scrutiny in a statement, if you will?? I admit, sometimes words can be taken OUT OF CONTEXT. The punishment comes after the Mouth is in motion before the Brain is engaged... Obama did his fair share and stutter stepped and "teeth whistled" to take back his words to "re-explain".  You never did that and it became a Memorable Moment? or is your real name "Mary, mother of Christ?

"Obama restricted visa waivers ( Part of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act as part of an omnibus spending bill.) for Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen..." Saudi Arabia wasn't on his list either...

Yup..... reallllll funny.


Funny how the republicans want to throw this onto Obama.  They keep quoting that over and over - maybe if they say it often enough they will believe it applies.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 01, 2017, 01:10:36 PM
I am not aware of evidence that President Obama actually selected the seven countries.

Tho, President Obama readily signed the congress-approved H.R.158 - Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 when it arrived on his White House desk for the Executive Branch approval and Federal implementation.

 https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/158/text (https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/158/text)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 01, 2017, 02:00:30 PM
Well that great recession did occur on Bush's watch that took years to recover from.......
And now the dance will begin.... a one and a two and a one....

Nothing for the last EIGHT FRACKING years but.... no matter the problem,  IT IS BUSH's FAULT!!!!!

Please.... 8 years compared to.... how many weeks??? Put ice cream on my arse and give me a break..... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

FACT.... and I will say it over and over......... the POTUS is...... D.J.Trump.... does that make it apply and is true to you? ???

Now show me where OBAMA didn't pick those paticular countries for scrutiny in a statement, if you will?? I admit, sometimes words can be taken OUT OF CONTEXT. The punishment comes after the Mouth is in motion before the Brain is engaged... Obama did his fair share and stutter stepped and "teeth whistled" to take back his words to "re-explain".  You never did that and it became a Memorable Moment? or is your real name "Mary, mother of Christ?

"Obama restricted visa waivers ( Part of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act as part of an omnibus spending bill.) for Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya and Yemen..." Saudi Arabia wasn't on his list either...

Yup..... reallllll funny.


Funny how the republicans want to throw this onto Obama.  They keep quoting that over and over - maybe if they say it often enough they will believe it applies.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Janetplanet on February 01, 2017, 05:13:49 PM
Not funny at all, I used the wrong word.  Very sad, that is the right word sad.  We had a president who was educated and communicated with elegance, who knew law very well and weighed his words.  Who respected the people who he represented.  Instead we have replaced it with a reality show blowhard who I am ashamed to even hint at being my president.  Yes, sad is the right word.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 01, 2017, 05:49:50 PM
And he backed a person who was up to her rear in issues she had while being stupid. Yup.... we had 8 years of a guy with a pen and a phone....

Fact still...you being ashamed or not... maybe now you know a little of how some of us felt for .... NOT 2 weeks but..... oh let's see..... 416 weeks!!!     Enjoy... :thumbsup:

Not funny at all, I used the wrong word.  Very sad, that is the right word sad.  We had a president who was educated and communicated with elegance, who knew law very well and weighed his words.  Who respected the people who he represented.  Instead we have replaced it with a reality show blowhard who I am ashamed to even hint at being my president.  Yes, sad is the right word.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 01, 2017, 07:31:39 PM
2 weeks in, 2 weeks closer to impeachment.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 01, 2017, 08:50:28 PM
And you think that Clinton would have lasted? Wow.....



2 weeks in, 2 weeks closer to impeachment.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 02, 2017, 08:36:37 AM
And now this.....

http://www.theblaze.com/video/final-thoughts-democrats-rage-in-what-could-be-a-four-year-tantrum/ (http://www.theblaze.com/video/final-thoughts-democrats-rage-in-what-could-be-a-four-year-tantrum/)



Or could the tantrum last...... 8 years???? Hmmmmm :wahoo:


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 02, 2017, 10:30:52 AM
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-scotus-conflicts-of-interest-donald-jr-eric-599e4e0e0a6c#.7fwxeekbp
2 weeks in, 2 weeks closer to impeachment.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 02, 2017, 11:14:54 AM

And NO ONE is allowed to express opinions?  Just maybe... maybe...they weren't asked (or were)??? I have opinions but I am in no way authorized to change outcomes...that comes from the minds and wishes of those who can. And also.... name me a POTUS that was never susceptible to "Pillow Talk" with someone who is NOT appointed to MANY committees that are spoke of. Got a hidden mic??? You don't think that Bill would be in Hillary's ears on everything, if she would have been elected... Sure....

For God's sake...

Hell they are trying to hit him with "violations" of the EMOLUMENTS CLAUSE. All of this is picayune...at best. If they were all true to their convictions.... Hillary would be wearing an orange jumpsuit at Leavenworth.

Shit leaks all over Capitol Hill and slides down to the bottom feeders who try to make hay... Prove the SHIT, Charge them, Try them, Incarcerarte them or just blow it out yer  :shakeass: ... 206 more weeks of this or.... maybe 416. Should I draw a Red Line in the sand like Obama did? Oh my.... a man in MOM jeans.

Look, I am not a lawyer... let's leave it up to the people ABOVE our pay grade to decide. My money is on.... dust in the wind of any decision on this... Dogs who howl too much in a sand storm just get a scratchy throat.

Also, please tell me what POTUS DIDN'T profit off being POTUS... Compare what they made by taking the office and see what they have after that last Helicopter ride. POTUS is a revered title given to us by Geo. Washington, when he turned down KING of America.

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[url]https://thinkprogress.org/trump-scotus-conflicts-of-interest-donald-jr-eric-599e4e0e0a6c#.7fwxeekbp[/url] ([url]https://thinkprogress.org/trump-scotus-conflicts-of-interest-donald-jr-eric-599e4e0e0a6c#.7fwxeekbp[/url])
2 weeks in, 2 weeks closer to impeachment.



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on February 02, 2017, 02:56:24 PM
... we had 8 years of a guy with a pen and a phone....

I'm sorry, are you referring to Obama's allegedly unconstitutional power grab through executive orders?

If so, then how would you describe what has been going on for the past 2 weeks? Where's congress to reign in the emperor's decrees?


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 02, 2017, 03:11:45 PM
The good news is this trend will continue even with Trump trying to do his best to fight it.  Economics and lower costs will win globally and cleaner air will prevail despite Republican's attempts otherwise.  Around 75% of open bids globally are going renewable due to the lower costs they bring.
http://www.salon.com/2017/02/02/the-wests-largest-coal-plant-and-seventh-biggest-source-of-co2-emissions-in-the-u-s-may-close/ (http://www.salon.com/2017/02/02/the-wests-largest-coal-plant-and-seventh-biggest-source-of-co2-emissions-in-the-u-s-may-close/)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 02, 2017, 08:02:45 PM

I never said it was unconstitutional...but I find it excruciatingly satisfying to hear the squeal when Trump does it.... keep it coming
... we had 8 years of a guy with a pen and a phone....

I'm sorry, are you referring to Obama's allegedly unconstitutional power grab through executive orders?

If so, then how would you describe what has been going on for the past 2 weeks? Where's congress to reign in the emperor's decrees?


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 02, 2017, 10:12:57 PM
Let's make America think again......


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on February 03, 2017, 06:57:01 AM
Just for the record, Calvin Coolidge wrote a little over 2x more Executive Orders than W. and Obama combined. You know . . . Silent Cal.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: bighair80s on February 03, 2017, 10:56:22 AM
"It is easy to think the State has a lot of different objects — military, political, economic and what not. But in a way things are much simpler than that. The State exists simply to promote and to protect the ordinary happiness of human beings in this life. A husband and wife chatting over a fire, a couple of friends having a game of darts in a pub, a man reading a book in his own room or digging in his own garden — that is what the State is there for. And unless they are helping to increase and prolong and protect such moments, all the laws, parliaments, armies, courts, police, economics, etc., are simply a waste of time."  - CS LEWIS


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on February 03, 2017, 11:42:27 AM
Salient point there bh.  :)


For those interested in what is the driving philosophy behind the Trump Administration, Quartz has this article on Steve Bannon (https://qz.com/898134/what-steve-bannon-really-wants/), who - after reading the article - I suspect wrote Trump's Inauguration Speech. It raises some interesting points and questions. Worth a read.



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on February 03, 2017, 02:00:11 PM
Well that's an interesting (and very insightful) read.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 03, 2017, 04:14:31 PM
"We are going to build a wall and Mexico will pay for it" - Well actually we will be getting the US taxpayers to fund it, over $10 billion and the Mexican owned concrete companies may actually benefit....
"I will dismantle Obamacare on day one and replace it with something wonderful" - Well we spent the last 6 years complaining and have no viable alternative.  Parts are actually good and we may keep some of them.
"Lock her up" - Well actually the Clinton's are good people and I will not be pursuing further.
"The middle class will receive a large tax decrease" - Well actually.......

But look what I did your retirement professional does not have to act in your best interest now with my order, aren't I great?

His fans cheer loudly.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on February 03, 2017, 05:09:07 PM
And now he wants to repeal Dodd-FRank. I wonder how happy his constituents will be when their money goes *poof*...

TIME magazine has in interesting article on Bannon, too, referencing the "turnings" but Bannon interprets this as a time for war. Makes me ill.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 03, 2017, 05:28:36 PM
Yup Yup... I enjoyed the shit out of the last 10 years..... complained little

Now 2 weeks in and not a mouth shut, volume lowered.... You can't even get your car painted in 2 weeks. Not even a "Honeymoon". Well hold on 'cause it is going to be a HELL of a ride and I never smiled so much.

Loving the riots.... and now the other side does what they blamed the GOP for...Wahhhhhhhh...'scuse me while I wipe away my fake tears....

I can't wait for the first State of the Union Address.... 2 weeks!!!! Really?? Really??


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 03, 2017, 07:28:56 PM
Trump has been clear during this "honeymoon" that his promises to the lower and middle class mean nothing.  If his supporters think the conservatives are for their cause they will soon come back to reality.  It is clear that his inaction on his campaign promises are annoying some of them already.  They will soon realize if they have not already big business rules in the Republican's eyes.  4 years later they still might not admit they were wrong, but that is OK because they still have their job flipping burgers or waiting for coal to make it's grand comeback.  You have been played for your vote, the reality star got one on you.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 03, 2017, 09:44:57 PM
played???? nope... Clinton is not POTUS. Now if it is lies you want??? Listen to all the crap of people blaming him for everything..one thing comes to mind... An Iraqi man claimed his mother died because of this "ban" being in place and he couldn't be with her. He went to the media blaming Trump and of course the left "loved" it. Turns out, his mother had passed away more than 2 days BEFORE the "ban". It was verified by an Imam who had held a memorial service at that time. The American Left will believe anuything as long as it craps on Trump's Parade.
I never expected ALL the things he said would come to fruition. No POTUS in my memory could do Everything. We...those on the right ... like that Trump isn't apologizing to every Tom Dick and Bent over Henry for what he says to downplay the stature of our Country. For someone who is in the pocket of Business... he is at leasty trying to keep them within our borders and dumping pacts that even the Working Class knows was killing them.
I don't have time to list all but even the Unions witched. There has been more efforts to "right" the ship, in 2 weeks than in the previous decade. I feel if he can do 50% of what he said hee would... it is a bigger step than I have seen in a long time.
So..the left can keep their foot dragging in Congress and burn all the college campuses they want...bust up private property and act like maniacs... and ther left can keep thinking that can endear them with America. Live the dream and then suffer the nightmare. It does NOT make the LEFT look all that good.
All I can say.... we got through 8 years of Obama... you can get through 4 (or more) years of Trump. Suck it up Snowflakes...spread your fears but beware... the backlash that can occur.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 04, 2017, 02:30:18 AM
RE;
And now he wants to repeal Dodd-FRank. I wonder how happy his constituents will be when their money goes *poof*...

While I was not a Trump supporter, nor did I cast a vote for Trump, with a masters degree in business, and steadfastly invested in the market for over three decades growing a nest egg for Tigger’s adventures, I am rather pleased, especially after the lackadaisical performance of the markets over the last 9 years, to read of the current early proposed changes to Dodd Frank, and I’m looking forward to the personal investment opportunities such will present if enacted.  ;)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 04, 2017, 02:31:15 AM
Re:
... Bannon interprets this as a time for war. Makes me ill.


As widely reported,  two of Bannon’s favorite books are the Hindu Bhagavad Gita, which tells of a holy war to establish dharma, and the hugely influential and professionally popular ancient Chinese text on military strategy, Sun Tzu’s The Art of War.

As a retired combat vet, I know that not only is Sun Tzu standard reading in DOD professional military officer development schools, but having a MA in business, I am also aware  the fifth century how-to guide The Art of War is pretty much standard reading at some point in the major business universities around the world. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/why-business-leaders-are-_0_n_5003283.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/why-business-leaders-are-_0_n_5003283.html)

A quick check on Amazon shows The Art of War currently ranked-
#4 in Books > History > Asia > China
#12 in Books > History > Military > Strategy
#73 in Books > Politics & Social Sciences > Philosophy > Eastern, -

....with an average 4.5 star Amazon customer rating (out of a possible five stars).

Personally, I’ m reassured and pleased with the philosophical proven successful professional offerings which Bannon brings to 1600 Pennsylvania.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 04, 2017, 03:16:40 AM

something interesting...

http://freebeacon.com/politics/democrats-voted-neil-gorsuch-circuit-court-judge/ (http://freebeacon.com/politics/democrats-voted-neil-gorsuch-circuit-court-judge/)



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 04, 2017, 07:11:58 AM
LOL no end...orrrr a lot of end

or is it... ANY means to an end, or ..the end is near, or.... "you chould have used Cottonelle, or does this demonstration make my ass look fat... The Circus continues..... Hoping for blustering bone chilling weather so some Cheeks get Chapped.......maybe they were talking to Bernie Sanders and are going to try the "Fart In" again.... LOL when will it end... Oh... did I say that??? LOL

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/02/03/protesters-plan-to-expose-their-rears-at-trump-tower-to-get-trump-to-release-his-tax-returns/ (http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/02/03/protesters-plan-to-expose-their-rears-at-trump-tower-to-get-trump-to-release-his-tax-returns/)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 04, 2017, 07:16:54 AM
Oh...one more..... "To what End?"  :D


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on February 04, 2017, 08:51:56 AM
I think the world would be a more harmonious place if more folks read Lao Tzu as opposed to Sun Tzu.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 04, 2017, 09:30:28 AM
I think the world would be a more harmonious place if more folks read Lao Tzu as opposed to Sun Tzu.

 So very true.

It will be a most harmonious planet when the Vulcans deem the Earth worthy of first contact, and the peace-loving United Federation of Planets is formed following the Earth-Romulan war in the latter 22nd century.

Tho, even then, as history has documented thru written time, Sun Tzu will likely be a popular tome among those defending the rights of the followers of Lao Tzu freedom against the Borg to pursue their belief in Lao Tzu’s philosophy.






Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Janetplanet on February 04, 2017, 10:55:56 PM
Should we just call it what it really is - President Bannon?


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on February 05, 2017, 01:00:20 AM
Part of me thinks we could. Just like we had President Cheney and President Jarret.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 05, 2017, 10:19:41 AM
I was checking this out and it seems it is still in effect and had been used by Carter and some form may have been used by Obama in 2011 ...

http://library.uwb.edu/Static/USimmigration/1952_immigration_and_nationality_act.html (http://library.uwb.edu/Static/USimmigration/1952_immigration_and_nationality_act.html)


http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/barack-obama-ban-refugees-did-iraq-iraqi-muslim-trump-jimmy-carter-iran-iranian-immigration/ (http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/barack-obama-ban-refugees-did-iraq-iraqi-muslim-trump-jimmy-carter-iran-iranian-immigration/)



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on February 05, 2017, 11:47:50 AM
Part of me thinks we could. Just like we had President Cheney and President Jarret.


Lengthy article about Steve Bannon, for anyone who is interested:  http://time.com/4657665/steve-bannon-donald-trump/?xid=homepage&pcd=hp-magmod (http://time.com/4657665/steve-bannon-donald-trump/?xid=homepage&pcd=hp-magmod)




Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on February 05, 2017, 01:50:27 PM
So Bannon is going to be the new boogeyman?

I guess that means Soros has retired and following in Rove's footsteps?

I guess we'll all find out soon enough.




Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on February 05, 2017, 03:16:55 PM
...I am rather pleased, especially after the lackadaisical performance of the markets over the last 9 years, to read of the current early proposed changes to Dodd Frank...
Your analysis of the economy of a little off.

In the ninth year ago -- the end of W's reign -- the economy nearly collapsed. Then compare the start and finish points of the markets during Obama's 8 years.

Dodd Frank is one effort to make sure this doesn't happen again


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 05, 2017, 09:15:45 PM
RE:
...I am rather pleased, especially after the lackadaisical performance of the markets over the last 9 years, to read of the current early proposed changes to Dodd Frank...[/]
...Your analysis of the economy of a little off. ...

While as a retired career-military and combat veteran, I steadfastly cherish the opportunity to continue to proactively support and defend the hallowed constitutional right of free speech of those making crap up and falsely trying to put those fabrications in the mouths of others which were never stated, endeavoring unsuccessfully to inject a red herring distracting, non-related, amateurish, self serving political point,-

....clearly, I did not make any comments regarding any economy, and,-

....clearly, I did not offer any analysis what so ever of any economy, rather-

....I, of course, merely referenced the known, actual documented comparative growth performance of my professionally-managed stock portfolio over the last 30+ years.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on February 06, 2017, 01:11:04 AM
....I, of course, merely referenced the known, actual documented comparative growth performance of my professionally-managed stock portfolio over the last 30+ years.
And if you compare snapshot from Jan. 20, 2007 to Jan. 20, 2008, then one from Jan. 20, 2008 to Jan. 20, 2017, you'll find the problem lies in the earlier part of your 9 years.

If you further want to compare the go-go years of the early 2000s, feel free as well.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 06, 2017, 03:04:39 AM
...And if you compare snapshot from Jan. 20, 2007 to Jan. 20, 2008, then one from Jan. 20, 2008 to Jan. 20, 2017, you'll find the problem lies in the earlier part of your 9 years. ...
...once again, as a retired career-military and combat veteran, I steadfastly cherish the continued opportunity to proactively support and defend the hallowed constitutional right of free speech of those making crap up, -

....and proactively support and defend any such effort to falsely and erroneously attribute such comments to  others which were never stated in an disingenuous effort to make an irrelevant self-serving political point.
 
The intellectually honest readers will no doubt clearly notice clearly, in addition to my not making any comment about any economy, nor-

....did I offer any analysis what so ever of any economy,-

....I clearly not state there was a problem, nor-

....did I state I was unhappy with the performance of my productive investment portfolio.


...If you further want to compare the go-go years of the early 2000s, feel free as well


For the newer readers, I have no absolutely no requirement  to make any such disingenuous comparison as I’ve  paid attention over the decades and have continued to earn non-taxable capital gains on my invest portfolio, which have nicely augmented my 24 years of Jayhawk-funded retirement income. 

Tho, it is a free country, and-

.... I have honorably actively defended the freedom of choice of those choosing to erroneously infer there is any problem in such.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 06, 2017, 09:16:33 AM
So how is that immediate Obamacare repeal coming, well maybe next year or the year after......  If it was so bad as they charged the last 6 years wouldn't they have worked on a plan to be ready for this day?  Apparently they were doing nothing.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/06/politics/republicans-grumble-repeal-obamacare/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/06/politics/republicans-grumble-repeal-obamacare/index.html)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 06, 2017, 12:10:23 PM
I do believe there were Plans. They never even got to the floor to be discussed... And correct me if I am wrong...there appeared to be more than ONE from the GOP camp. Yes.... it wasn't going to be an instant change because some of the things in ACA were recognized as being good .... prior conditions... 26 yos... but others were needed. Shopping across state lines is one.... if just to have some honest competition. I noticed under the old ACA.... many Doctors refused either to take any Medicare patients or not add anymore to their roles... causing many who can't afford it...to have to travel further for the care they needed. In fact.... we have found that we need MORE Doctors.  The other was and is a problem with the cost of Medications. Not many Medical entities had the ability to negotiate the price.

And... from day one...the stigma of " We have to PASS the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of controversy"... left a bad taste in a lot of mouths. Should we do that with all bills in Congress?? I am still trying to figure out their real meaning of "controversy" in that statement. It seemed it was meant to eliminate any "discussion" of other ideas.

Here is a good example of something "good" being taken BACK...

During the Reagan Administration, a rule was put in place... IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME. Because of this new rule.... and I am being personal and not speaking for the others it happened to.... I LOST 60% of the Social Security I was to receive. I paid into it but now receive 40%. Do I bitch?? I have, but am told.... "That is that."  :slapface: Is it right? Apparently it is not my pay grade to determine that. Have they tried to get it corrected..Yes... and to no avail. So to this day, I refuse to hear from ANYONE bitching about a cut in their Social Security unless it is 60%. :finger: Oh.... and I still have the FULL amount of Medicare taken out...not less by 60%... Fair? That is life. :huh:


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on February 06, 2017, 03:24:13 PM
Repealing and replacing Obamacare has been the dog chasing the car he'll never catch.

There was no viable GOP plan when the Dems pushed it through, and no republican has produced one since. They had all the time in the world.

The bottom line is that there is no amazing, better, cheaper plan -- or any other mediocre replacement plan. There never was, and certainly it wasn't there ready to pass on Jan. 20 as promised.

The dog actually is about to catch the car and has no idea what to do with it. Ruh roh.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 06, 2017, 05:32:37 PM
Repealing and replacing Obamacare has been the dog chasing the car he'll never catch.

There was no viable GOP plan when the Dems pushed it through,

(According to....??)

and no republican has produced one since.

(according to....??)

 They had all the time in the world.

The bottom line is that there is no amazing, better, cheaper plan -- or any other mediocre replacement plan. There never was, and certainly it wasn't there ready to pass on Jan. 20 as promised.

A job building the house begins with wood and nails and they don't just appear.... Tearing it down comes in steps as well... remove the roof then the walls....

The dog actually is about to catch the car and has no idea what to do with it. Ruh roh.


I seem to remember more than one incident where dogs chewed up the tires and brake lines and the car could go nowhere...

Chomp Chomp



All I see are "Talking Points".... 2 Fracking Weeks!!!! Even you took 2 minutes and 9 months to "build"...


Now Maxine Waters is calling for his Impeachment.... All the Left's panties are in need of a dire change... PHEWWW!!!

Still going to look forward to the State Of The Nation Address in a year.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 06, 2017, 06:13:29 PM
... There was no viable GOP plan when the Dems pushed it through, and no republican has produced one since. They had all the time in the world.

The bottom line is that there is no amazing, better, cheaper plan -- or any other mediocre replacement plan. There never was, and certainly it wasn't there ready to pass on Jan. 20 as promised. ...


I am aware there are at least eight documented known heath care proposals currently on record which likely will be working their way through the new 115th Congress legislative process to become the revised national healthcare plan.

And, of course, there was never any mention of a “promise” by anybody, other than those documented just making crap up, that any revised completed revised national healthcare legislation would be ready to for a congressional vote a mere 11 days after the 115th Congress session began.

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/14/509686528/gops-go-slow-rescue-mission-plan-to-replace-obamacare (http://www.npr.org/2017/01/14/509686528/gops-go-slow-rescue-mission-plan-to-replace-obamacare)

Factually, the  Democratic-controlled 111th Congress did not introduce the initial bill for the first version of Obama Care until 10 months after President Obama was sworn in, and the final version was signed by the President 18 months after taking office.
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on February 07, 2017, 06:24:09 AM
For 6 or so years the republicans have been saying they were fully prepared to repeal and replace it.

Congress wasted its time with about about 3 votes to repeal, knowing it would go nowhere in the senate or at Obama's desk. Nonetheless, they went through two congressional election cycles boasting that they were ready to repeal.

Then for the past year that rhetoric ramped up on both the congressional and presidential campaign level, specifically with a Day One priority. Top priority -- not just a promise that we'll start a study of replacement options and devise a plan over the course of a year or two.

So with both years of lead time and insistence that this was a certainty that would happen the moment the republicans regained control, it's mystifying why now people are backtracking to say this is a difficult task that can't be accomplished immediately, like on... Day One.

All bark, no bite.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 07, 2017, 09:33:31 AM
RE:

... it's mystifying why now people are backtracking to say this is a difficult task that can't be accomplished immediately, like on... Day One.


...while I’ll proactively defend and support the constitutional free speech right to make up and voice any one-sided self-serving red herring political biased crap political hacks may so choose....

....I suspect intellectually honest readers likely find it telling that even the ‘legendary right wing bastion of conservative propaganda dissemination’ CBS reports President Obama planned to exit the powerful milieu of the oval office and uncharacteristically cavalcaded up Pennsylvania Avenue to the hill and the Capital Building “... [/] to discuss efforts to protect the Affordable Care Act in the new Congress ,-

....on DAY TWO of the new congress-

....”...while Republicans develop their plan ...”

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/461/31921732544_b102ea0b32_h.jpg)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 07, 2017, 11:02:38 AM
A year, maybe two, maybe never.......    Lots of infighting.  Trump did jump in with a lot of executive orders covering Obama's most recent but the reality is the major talking points will not change for some time to come if ever.  Should be interesting what gets done before the mid term elections and if those elections possibly tip the balance again.  Seems like there should be more of a focus on say running the country than worrying about his popularity polls, voters counts, or Apprentice ratings at a prayer event.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-economic-agenda-is-stalling-193559580.html;_ylt=AwrBT9IC75lY5zoA.yVXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw-- (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-economic-agenda-is-stalling-193559580.html;_ylt=AwrBT9IC75lY5zoA.yVXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on February 07, 2017, 03:36:29 PM
...CBS reports President Obama planned to exit the powerful milieu of the oval office and uncharacteristically cavalcaded up Pennsylvania Avenue to the hill and the Capital Building “... [/] to discuss efforts to protect the Affordable Care Act in the new Congress
On his way out the door he made the case to keep his plan. So?

That doesn't negate the repeated claim in the next paragraph that the republicans had made it clear repeal was their top priority.

Despite all the prior, just-for-show House votes to repeal, they sure haven't put it to a vote lately.

Nothing is stopping them now -- they have control of house, senate and white house. It has not been the top priority. It has not been repealed. That's pretty clear.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 07, 2017, 05:29:54 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 07, 2017, 09:10:59 PM
Trump supporters are saying they remember the day SNL was funny, apparently that was this past Saturday......  He just makes it too easy to make fun of.
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/bad-news-donald-trump-snl-190120570.html (https://www.yahoo.com/tv/bad-news-donald-trump-snl-190120570.html)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 07, 2017, 09:53:28 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on February 08, 2017, 02:56:18 AM
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You engage in debate with the hollowness of Trump's campaign.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 08, 2017, 05:21:35 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 10, 2017, 10:04:52 AM
Not as tough as he wants you to believe:
http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/10/news/economy/trump-china-taiwan-threats-trade/index.html?iid=hp-toplead-dom (http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/10/news/economy/trump-china-taiwan-threats-trade/index.html?iid=hp-toplead-dom)
And the benefits companies are having if Trump bashes them:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/opinions/trump-pr-attack-borkowski-opinion/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/opinions/trump-pr-attack-borkowski-opinion/index.html)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 10, 2017, 05:35:12 PM
Love Clinton News Network


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 10, 2017, 06:13:35 PM
 “CNN: “Trump attacks another federal judge
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/04/politics/donald-trump-attacks-federal-judge-travel-ban/ (http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/04/politics/donald-trump-attacks-federal-judge-travel-ban/)

Interesting “news”.

….improper to attack an independent judiciary….

….highly unusual for a President to publicly criticize a federal judge….
….attack on federal judge from POTUS is beneath the dignity of that office….

….hostility toward the rule of law is not just embarrassing, it is dangerous….

….the President's attack shows a disdain for an independent judiciary that doesn't always bend to his wishes and a continued lack of respect for the Constitution….

….hostility toward the rule of law is not just embarrassing, it is dangerous….


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 10, 2017, 06:14:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiDiHX50zT4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiDiHX50zT4)

CNN “news” reporting then:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/28/alito.obama.sotu/ (http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/28/alito.obama.sotu/)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 10, 2017, 06:52:38 PM
A dictatorship in the making when the President attacks the country's democratic system.  And that is not fake news, it came right out of the horse's mouth.  An embarrassment and mockery of the position.


CNN: “Trump attacks another federal judge
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/04/politics/donald-trump-attacks-federal-judge-travel-ban/[/url] ([url]http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/04/politics/donald-trump-attacks-federal-judge-travel-ban/[/url])

Interesting “news”.

….improper to attack an independent judiciary….

….highly unusual for a President to publicly criticize a federal judge….
….attack on federal judge from POTUS is beneath the dignity of that office….

….hostility toward the rule of law is not just embarrassing, it is dangerous….

….the President's attack shows a disdain for an independent judiciary that doesn't always bend to his wishes and a continued lack of respect for the Constitution….

….hostility toward the rule of law is not just embarrassing, it is dangerous….



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 11, 2017, 08:17:41 AM
A dictatorship in the making when the President attacks the country's democratic system. ...


  ....(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/647/32022123503_660dce1b59.jpg).... 
... And that is not fake news, it came right out of the horse's mouth.  An embarrassment and mockery of the position[/]



....as posted above ....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiDiHX50zT4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiDiHX50zT4)




....(https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7549/26663189100_844895ec57_m.jpg)....




Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on February 11, 2017, 10:58:16 AM
Gore - I was looking for that video myself.

Ain't nothin' new. Hell FDR wanted to create a slew more Supreme Court Justices just so he could pack the court in his favor. He loathed the Court he had to deal with and made no bones about it. 


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on February 15, 2017, 12:17:15 PM
Dan Rather's FB commentary yesterday was salient, saying that Trump's troubles will surpass Watergate. Today I read that the intelligence community has put T in their sights over these newly revealed contacts with Russian intelligence pre-election and leaving no stone unturned. Meanwhile, country clubbers at Mar a Lago had access to the football carrying Secret Service guy..

Certainly a third world way to do business....


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 15, 2017, 03:02:43 PM
(http://www.quoteswave.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/It-is-what-you-read-when-you.jpg)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 15, 2017, 03:53:39 PM
It seems like the wheels are falling off the clown car.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/15/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russia/97936050/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/15/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russia/97936050/)
Dan Rather's FB commentary yesterday was salient, saying that Trump's troubles will surpass Watergate. Today I read that the intelligence community has put T in their sights over these newly revealed contacts with Russian intelligence pre-election and leaving no stone unturned. Meanwhile, country clubbers at Mar a Lago had access to the football carrying Secret Service guy..

Certainly a third world way to do business....


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on February 15, 2017, 03:58:56 PM
National security breaches, refilling the swamp with wall street bankers and insiders, not being available to the media... he seems to be doing exactly everything he railed against in the campaign.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 15, 2017, 04:22:35 PM
Can't forget the US paying to build a wall , no persecution of Clinton and Obamacare that is still here after day 1 and he says now we may keep parts after all.

National security breaches, refilling the swamp with wall street bankers and insiders, not being available to the media... he seems to be doing exactly everything he railed against in the campaign.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 15, 2017, 04:52:27 PM
'scuse me.... According to my old eyes and ears.... it was said since DAY ONE...that parts would be kept.... 'member 26 yos being allowed to stay on their parent's policy and hmmmm recall pre-existing conditions being discussed as something kept???? Did you cook a meal in ONE minute??? This will take time to accomplish....under Trump who has been  in office 26 damned days... God even took 7 days to create everything... Trump needs a bit longer  ;D    As far as NS breaches... I think the story is far from conclusive... I recall in another admin where some AGENTS were outed... as well as denial of Security measures.... Don't remember anyone "going down" for any of that....Do you??? Again..... 26 days!!!!!! The left is even pissed that Trump needed some statins for a cholesterol issue and some Propecia for a hair issue.... God help if they find him to us Preperation H on his ass...OMG!!!!! Remember... Kennedy was using massive doses of PAIN KILLERS to even get through ONE day in the WH... Anyone say anything about that????

Some of you are so picayune on minutiae. This is why so many on the right laugh so hard at some on the left.... :rofl:


Can't forget the US paying to build a wall , no persecution of Clinton and Obamacare that is still here after day 1 and he says now we may keep parts after all.

National security breaches, refilling the swamp with wall street bankers and insiders, not being available to the media... he seems to be doing exactly everything he railed against in the campaign.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 15, 2017, 06:30:54 PM
Some interesting things....


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/15/men-spied-nixon-new-details-reveal-extent-moorer-radford-affair.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/15/men-spied-nixon-new-details-reveal-extent-moorer-radford-affair.html)

http://dailysignal.com/2016/12/14/ted-kennedy-made-secret-overtures-to-russia-to-prevent-ronald-reagans-re-election/ (http://dailysignal.com/2016/12/14/ted-kennedy-made-secret-overtures-to-russia-to-prevent-ronald-reagans-re-election/)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 15, 2017, 07:16:12 PM
Trump is doing a fine job these first few weeks in office, just look at his approvals ratings although he will call it fake news.  Lowest of any incoming president, Democrat or Republican, in decades and continuing to sink.....  Certainly one could question the polls based on the recent election results but even if you give him another 3% similar to the previous poll errors that gives him a whopping 43% approval.  Now where will these Russian investigations go and exactly how high in the administration.  They were recording these conversations for a reason.  Sure is an embarrassing start but his fans will claim he is doing a wonderful job.  In full blown crisis mode now with no credibility.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 15, 2017, 09:22:34 PM

in almost 70 years on this earth.... I...ME... this guy ...has NEVER been approached by Gallup or any other Poll. In fact... I have not had a FRIEND who has either. Who in Fark are they asking? ??? I don't even get asked by Neilson for God's sake and I watch a lot of TV. I still have a land line as well. I get calls from telemarketers though. So.... excuse me if Polls aren't high on things I believe in...

Even if they are used... With 330 million people in the USA.. How many were asked? what was the locations? and how was the questiions phrased?


Hmmmm do you still beat your wife... yes or no??

I was born at night..... just not LAST night.


Trump is doing a fine job these first few weeks in office, just look at his approvals ratings although he will call it fake news.  Lowest of any incoming president, Democrat or Republican, in decades and continuing to sink.....  Certainly one could question the polls based on the recent election results but even if you give him another 3% similar to the previous poll errors that gives him a whopping 43% approval.  Now where will these Russian investigations go and exactly how high in the administration.  They were recording these conversations for a reason.  Sure is an embarrassing start but his fans will claim he is doing a wonderful job.  In full blown crisis mode now with no credibility.

[url]http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx[/url] ([url]http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx[/url])


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on February 15, 2017, 10:39:43 PM
We're not friends, Lifetime, but I actually talked to George Gallup on the phone back in the 80s. I worked for a fellow who knew him personally. So, you DO know somone who was contacted by Gallup!  One of the reasons our area (NW PA) is not polled is because the population is so sparse. I don't know about Sharon (or are you in Mercer? I've forgotten) but Crawford only has 88,000. Very sparse.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Janetplanet on February 15, 2017, 10:40:23 PM
He will be impeached this year.  If not impeached the Russians will take him out.Seriously, he is playing with some serious stuff.  If there is anyway his taxes get out there will be more in there than people realize.Sad - very very sad.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on February 15, 2017, 10:46:39 PM
He will be impeached this year.  If not impeached the Russians will take him out.Seriously, he is playing with some serious stuff.  If there is anyway his taxes get out there will be more in there than people realize.Sad - very very sad.

I agree. I honestly think the Constitution is in jeopardy while he is in power although I'm sure that many on the Kool Aid drinking far right don't see it that way. Just the conflict of interests that have sprouted in the last 3 weeks - hard to believe he's only been POTUS for three weeks - is a major cause for concern.  The big difference between his shenanigans and Nixon is that Nixon's crimes were domestic; I suspect that the Russians really were deeply involved in our election and other things - treason.

But, we have to let it play out. I am hoping there are enough honorable men and women in Congress that will protect and honor the Constitution and who are there to serve "We the People" - the common working class men and women, not the billionaires.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 15, 2017, 11:11:46 PM
Dan Rather's FB commentary yesterday was salient, saying that Trump's troubles will surpass Watergate. ...

Interesting.

It is telling that the word “will” is glaringly absent from and does not appear what so ever in Rather’s  hilariously hypocritical ‘commentary.’

“Watergate is the biggest political scandal of my lifetime, until maybe now. It was the closest we came to a debilitating Constitutional crisis, until maybe now. On a 10 scale of armageddon for our form of government, I would put Watergate at a 9. This Russia scandal is currently somewhere around a 5 or 6, in my opinion, but it is cascading in intensity seemingly by the hour. And we may look back and see, in the end, that it is at least as big as Watergate. It may become the measure by which all future scandals are judged. It has all the necessary ingredients, and that is chilling. ...”



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 15, 2017, 11:48:29 PM

35+ years ago??? And you knew a guy who knew the guy...... WHOT?? I have a "few" friends in the Burgh.... and no one ever jumped up and said they were polled... sparce??
I am willing to see this play out....  I do think...even across the many POTUS's I have seen....that "Impeachment" is ...first a hard effort anf even IF it were to happen... does NOT mean the POTUS leaves office. I seem to think of one POTUS who Lied under oath to Congress and nada...and that was directly proven TO him.
Right now...I see the left with wishful thinking but... we shall see. I will be waiting for NAMES, How the evidence was procured and if it was done legally... Let the NSA admit they recorded an American's conversation for "evidence".
The last time I saw this kind of "moving and shaking" was back at Y2K and it turned into a kerfuffle with computer sales and generator sales going sky high...Banks were seeing people cleaning their accounts out and I even saw people buying old vehicles that didn't have computers in them.... Lions and Tigers and Bears!!! Oh my.
Russia is going to move into North Korea... tuna queen... Okinawa will tip over from all the Marines stationed there and 57 states in the USA...

It is so peaceful...but for ther crash of objects through store windows and police vehicles on fire.... yup loving it everyday... To me...this just looks like a case of "Whack A Mole" .... hit anything that moves. If this is the best we come up with... I seriously don't think TRUMP is the problem. My opinion,,,

"THE SKY IS FALLING!!!"

We're not friends, Lifetime, but I actually talked to George Gallup on the phone back in the 80s. I worked for a fellow who knew him personally. So, you DO know somone who was contacted by Gallup!  One of the reasons our area (NW PA) is not polled is because the population is so sparse. I don't know about Sharon (or are you in Mercer? I've forgotten) but Crawford only has 88,000. Very sparse.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: bighair80s on February 16, 2017, 12:19:32 AM
!!!!!!   Breaking: ABC releases video of POTUS promising "more flexibility" w/ Russia after election. Media outraged:    http://abcnews.go.com/video/embed?id=16002162 (http://abcnews.go.com/video/embed?id=16002162)

😳


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 16, 2017, 01:00:14 AM

 From Dan Rather’s “commentary”-

“...The White House has no credibility on this issue. Their spigot of lies - can't we finally all agree to call them lies - long ago lost them any semblance of credibility. ...”

Rather’s credulity of ‘White House credibility’ is most telling.

No doubt Gunga Dan readers  are eagerly awaiting Rather’s  grandiloquent commentary regarding the lack of White House credibility and “their spigot of lies”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDDbTaWpwoc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDDbTaWpwoc)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpa-5JdCnmocredulity (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpa-5JdCnmocredulity)
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 16, 2017, 01:19:42 AM

TY    :rofl: ..... oldies but goodies and even more on the right side of each site
quote author=gore range link=topic=3462.msg58800#msg58800 date=1487224814]

 From Dan Rather’s “commentary”-

“...The White House has no credibility on this issue. Their spigot of lies - can't we finally all agree to call them lies - long ago lost them any semblance of credibility. ...”

Rather’s credulity of ‘White House credibility’ is most telling.

No doubt Gunga Dan readers  are eagerly awaiting Rather’s  grandiloquent commentary regarding the lack of White House credibility and “their spigot of lies”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDDbTaWpwoc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDDbTaWpwoc)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpa-5JdCnmocredulity (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpa-5JdCnmocredulity)
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on February 16, 2017, 08:12:22 AM
Dan Rather's FB commentary yesterday was salient, saying that Trump's troubles will surpass Watergate. ...

Interesting.

It is telling that the word “will” is glaringly absent from and does not appear what so ever in Rather’s  hilariously hypocritical ‘commentary.’

“Watergate is the biggest political scandal of my lifetime, until maybe now. It was the closest we came to a debilitating Constitutional crisis, until maybe now. On a 10 scale of armageddon for our form of government, I would put Watergate at a 9. This Russia scandal is currently somewhere around a 5 or 6, in my opinion, but it is cascading in intensity seemingly by the hour. And we may look back and see, in the end, that it is at least as big as Watergate. It may become the measure by which all future scandals are judged. It has all the necessary ingredients, and that is chilling. ...”





Interesting.



You are a true Crawford Countian, Gore. You can take the boy out of the county, but not the county out of the boy. I'm sorry we are no longer friends but hey - just one more example of what I have experienced for the last 28 years.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 16, 2017, 10:19:31 AM
Rather fat fingers” “....The White House has no credibility on this issue. Their spigot of lies - can't we finally all agree to call them lies - long ago lost them any semblance of credibility. I would also extend that to the Republican Congress, who has excused away the Trump Administration's assertions for far too long. I would also extend that to the Republican Congress, who has excused away the Trump Administration's assertions for far too long. ...”

.....one can certainly appreciate Rather’s demanding calling out the Republican Congress for their excusing  “far too long” of –

......the 26 day old Trump administration.

The self-serving visceral sour-grapes loser pandering blather of the likes of Rather is one of the reasons it is...

.... President Donald J. Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUozYwjLxrE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUozYwjLxrE)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 16, 2017, 10:23:20 AM
Re:
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For the newer readers following the thread, while as a retired, combat, career-military veteran, I steadfastly cherish the opportunity to continue to proactively support and defend the hallowed constitutional right of free speech of those posting erroneous, or misperceived, or mistaken, or ignorant, or fabricated comments,-

....I’ll endeavor to provide the documented facts of record for readers knowledge.

The “football” is a 45 lb aluminum satchel which closely physically follows the President 24/7/365 containing all the military communications capability for the Commander in Chief to establish and maintain near instantaneous command and control of an appropriate military response to unplanned threatening situations endangering the safety and security of the United States.

The ‘football” is not carried by a “Secret Service guy”, but rather is physically and securely attached to a commissioned officer military aid 24/7/365 who’s sole full military job and responsibility is to insure  the President has near instantaneous access to command and control of the full US military forces at, any where, any place, and at any time.

(http://static2.politico.com/dims4/default/2547118/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fs3-origin-images.politico.com%2F2012%2F09%2F120910_barack_obama_beer_lede_ap_328.jpg)

 “Certainly a third world way to do business."[/]


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: bighair80s on February 16, 2017, 10:35:29 AM
For a "yinzer" viewpoint I suggest a look at the journalistic writings of  Salena Zito. She's been a lifelong Pittsburgh gal who's written for the Trib a good while and now contributes on CNN. She saw the Trump wave coming by good old fashion journalism, you know. talking to regular people.  She saw this coming a mile away. 

She likely has political viewpoints but it's hard to say what they are. She was raised in a big old fashioned family of democrats.  She has done the hard work of actual journalism. And her findings are eye opening. 

I'm not going to deny the obvious though, I love her because of her BIG HAIR.  😂 Lol. Since she's been on CNN she's tamed the hair  down a bit for her gig but I love a gal with big hair. 

Take a read:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/11/the-morning-media-profile-salena-zito-saw-trumps-writing-on-the-wall-231399 (http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/11/the-morning-media-profile-salena-zito-saw-trumps-writing-on-the-wall-231399)

AMI, I think the pollsters who ignored the "sparse areas" ignored them at their own peril.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 16, 2017, 11:04:26 AM
”Along the way, Zito was mocked -- by fellow reporters and social media trolls alike -- for extrapolating anecdotes onto the electorate. There was even a parody Salena Zito Twitter account: “Oh I went to a bar there were three people who vote for Trump and he’s going to win Pennsylvania.” "Everybody, everybody thought I had lost my mind,” said Zito, a 57-year-old mother of two, grandmother of one, bicycle enthusiast and former political staffer whose resume includes work on all three Bush presidential campaigns and in Arlen Specter's Senate office.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahkMA6JPOHU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahkMA6JPOHU)[/][/]


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: bighair80s on February 16, 2017, 12:05:23 PM
I have an honest question.


What, exactly, is a "true Crawford Countian" ? 



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 16, 2017, 12:21:31 PM
Re:
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For the newer reader’s  benefit,  as a retired, combat, career-military veteran I steadfastly cherish the opportunity to continue to proactively support and defend the hallowed constitutional right of free speech of those endeavoring to post ad hominem personal attacks in lieu an ability speak to documented facts, and-

....as a quarter-century contributing resident of the incredulously socially diverse, economically and socially booming politically blue Centennial State of Colorado,  I am honored to willingly be an acerbic target of anyone proclaiming they are experiencing having problems living in Crawford County for 28 years.  :D
 



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on February 16, 2017, 01:13:07 PM
Personally - I hope there's chaos and gridlock. It's better they accomplish nothing than the crap any of them have planned.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on February 16, 2017, 01:21:53 PM
In hindsight . . . Watergate was - nothing. I remember my Mom hem-hawing about it and pundits wringing their hands and gnashing their teeth. But really - what did Watergate actually change? The machinery rolled on. Ford took over and what really changed? Government over-reach? Stifling bureaucracy and regulation? I mean - Carter was a result of Watergate I guess, but after 4 years . . . that changed too. Didn't have too much effect on my subjective little world. Government has a great PR machine though. They'll play this crisis shit to the hilt - because - My God! What will we do without them?


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 16, 2017, 01:28:18 PM
Re:
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 16, 2017, 01:43:00 PM
Rasmussen Reports, a conservative leaning publication, was founded in 2003 by Scott Rasmussen, who served as the company's president from its founding until July 2013, when he left to found the digital media company Styrk.

And how he did in the polling for the 2012 results:

A Fordham University study by Dr. Costas Panagopoulos compared pre-election polling with the results from election day. The study ranked Rasmussen Reports 24th out of 28 polls in accuracy, one slot above Gallup. An analysis by Nate Silver on FiveThirtyEight ranked Rasmussen 20th out of 23 pollsters for accuracy in the 2012 elections with an average error of 4.2 points.  After the election, James Rainey of the wrote that "Some conservative media outlets used the Rasmussen polling to prop up a narrative in the final days of the campaign that Romney had momentum and a good chance of winning the White House."

Time magazine has described Rasmussen Reports as a "conservative-leaning polling group." The Washington Post called Rasmussen a "polarizing pollster." said that Scott Rasmussen has a "conservative constituency."The Center for Public Integrity listed "Scott Rasmussen Inc" as a paid consultant for the 2004 George W. Bush campaign.The Washington Post reported that the 2004 Bush re-election campaign had used a feature on the Rasmussen Reports website that allowed customers to program their own polls, and that Rasmussen asserted that he had not written any of the questions nor assisted Republicans.
Rasmussen has received criticism over the wording in its polls. Asking a polling question with different wording can affect the results of the poll;the commentators in question allege that the questions Rasmussen ask in polls are skewed in order to favor a specific response. For instance, when Rasmussen polled whether Republican voters thought Rush Limbaugh was the leader of their party, the specific question they asked was: "Agree or Disagree: 'Rush Limbaugh is the leader of the Republican Party—he says jump and they say how high.'"

Re:
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 16, 2017, 03:13:37 PM
....(http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx269/drgw/dumb-butt-democrat/smiley2503.gif) ....


....Gallup it is then :D .


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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on February 16, 2017, 03:24:54 PM
But really - what did Watergate actually change?
Well, at least up until now, it ended the era of autocratic presidents who believed they were above challenge and that "when the president does it, that means it is not illegal."


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Janetplanet on February 16, 2017, 06:42:49 PM
The Trump Administration (Paul Ryan included - saw him on tv today) keep emphasizing the leaked intelligence.It is like the thief screaming that it wasn't his fault - it was the fault of the security camera that caught him.  Ha.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 17, 2017, 09:00:55 AM
"as he said with not a mention of Bengazi, Fast and Furious, lying to Congress and a plethora of items too numerous to mention." Hmmmm did they get away with it? The Above the LAW is still over us... never went away and are now easier to see. Nixon got caught... unlike the POTUS's before him. This crap behavior was long BEFORE Nixon and now...even up to present. Everyone states we lost our innocence  after Kennedy was assassinated ... not true.... the problem was, until then, only inner circles knew the crap and sleaze... now all it takes is a click of a mouse. The COMPUTER opened Pandora's box. All of the sudden anyone can write anything and post it...lie or not..... We Don't Need No Steenking "News Papers". We can make our own "truths" and reach more people than a paper or radio/TV can. We are so lucky and Blessed.... :D

I even remember when I lived in Hawaii... Watergate was a Joke. So much so that when I was driving on a highway coming into Honolulu there was a sign on a Pest Control Company Building... "We Even Get Watergate Bugs." Yup...sounded serious as hell to me.


But really - what did Watergate actually change?
Well, at least up until now, it ended the era of autocratic presidents who believed they were above challenge and that "when the president does it, that means it is not illegal."


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on February 17, 2017, 10:43:38 AM
To quote John Adams:

"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."

Depending on who you ask the current chaos is seen as temporary, though there has been a growing feeling of discontent among the population for the past few decades. I know plenty of people that wouldn't vote anything but the party line. This IMO is being blindly and foolishly loyal to something. There are also the people who protest vote these days too. Neither party really has the interests of the people in mind, just the agendas of those who serve as the marionettists. Both parties have been on a nation-building spree for quite a while now and are doing their best to export the US to the world and shape things as they want them. Both parties want freedom of speech as long as what is said falls within their agenda. I can't say what is going to happen in forty-six months, but I'm sure (if things go that long) there will be a great divide among the people. I will not be among those in the red or the blue camp as I see them as the biggest obstructionists to performing the function they were supposed to perform.

Trump may well wind up being an unwitting catalyst of sort for people really see things as they are.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 17, 2017, 11:01:20 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 17, 2017, 11:01:38 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 17, 2017, 11:02:17 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 17, 2017, 11:02:30 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 17, 2017, 11:02:59 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 17, 2017, 11:03:05 AM
Love the phrase "Freedom of Speech".. It is many things to many people... many of which I may not agree...

Burning of our flag
Christ in a jar of Urine ( I am not overly religious... just seems just plain nasty.
use of the "N" word by either side
Baring your ass in unison as a crowd
giving a finger to a cop
using the "F" word indiscriminately
walking around as a crowd looking like a "Vagina or a Penis"
Setting fires to a police vehicle, couches or trashcans
throwing rocks and tables through windows and at people/police

Not enough room to list them all.... Not sure if the end of my life will be a plus for others or.... myself. These actions seem to be an everyday occurrence anymore and not sporadic even like the 60s.

As I have said before.... This is NOT the World I was raised in and I worry that my Grand Kids will think this is NORMAL.



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 17, 2017, 11:04:31 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 17, 2017, 11:04:48 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 17, 2017, 11:05:08 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 17, 2017, 11:05:22 AM
LOL "DAN" who?? ?? ?? ??


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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 17, 2017, 03:17:46 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 18, 2017, 08:22:59 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 18, 2017, 08:23:24 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 18, 2017, 08:23:40 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 18, 2017, 08:24:11 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 18, 2017, 08:24:45 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 18, 2017, 08:25:07 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 18, 2017, 08:25:44 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 18, 2017, 08:32:33 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 18, 2017, 09:29:42 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 19, 2017, 09:13:11 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on February 19, 2017, 11:49:00 AM
It's really hard to carry on an adult discussion with anyone who can only respond through dancing emojis and e-greeting cards.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Janetplanet on February 19, 2017, 12:50:56 PM
I agree.  Thought the topic was the Trump administration.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 19, 2017, 01:40:20 PM
Yep that is what I said......

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thats-how-dictators-get-started-mccain-critics-blast-trumps-view-of-the-media-as-the-enemy-175623700.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/thats-how-dictators-get-started-mccain-critics-blast-trumps-view-of-the-media-as-the-enemy-175623700.html)


A dictatorship in the making when the President attacks the country's democratic system. ...


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... And that is not fake news, it came right out of the horse's mouth.  An embarrassment and mockery of the position[/]



....as posted above ....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiDiHX50zT4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiDiHX50zT4)




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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 19, 2017, 01:45:08 PM
"Reince, here's the problem. I don't have any problem with you  complaining about an individual story. We sometimes get it wrong, you  guys sometimes get it wrong. I don't have any problem with you  complaining about bias," Wallace said.
"But the president went a lot further than that. He  said that the 'fake media,' not certain stories, the 'fake media,' are  an enemy to the country. We don't have a state-run media in this  country. That's what they have in dictatorships," Wallace continued.
Priebus argued that "other cable stations, not  necessarily Fox," only briefly covered events like Trump's meetings with  foreign leaders and announcement of the president's Supreme Court  nominee, saying outlets instead focused on ties between Russia and the  Trump campaign "all day long, on every chyron, every seven minutes."
"As soon as it was over, the next 20 hours is  all about Russian spies, how no one gets along, how nothing's  happening. Give me a break," Priebus said.
"You don't get to tell us what to do, Reince.  You don't get to tell us what to do any more than Barack Obama did.  Barack Obama whined about Fox News all the time, but I've got to say, he  never said we were an enemy of the people," Wallace replied.
After Priebus said he was "surprised" Wallace would forget "all the shots" that Obama took at Fox News, the anchor interjected.
"He took the shots, and we didn't like them,  and frankly, we don't like this either. But he never went as far as  President Trump has. And that's what's concerning. Because it seems like  he crosses a line when he says that we're the enemy of the people,"  Wallace said.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 19, 2017, 06:31:03 PM
Re:
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The irony has not gone unnoticed that, contrary to the previous politically lockstep entrenched liberal positions, since Trump was elected president, the left has:

- rallied to and  pro-actively embraced  second amendment gun rights in their buying record numbers of initial guns purchases to defend themselves against their misperceived  anarchy of the Trump fascist regime;

- rallied to and pro-actively embraced individual home school rights to defend against their misperceived despotism of Secretary of Education Davos,  and;

- rallied to and pro-actively embraced states rights in California’s seceding from the union efforts to escape their misperceived totalitarianism of the Trump administration (tho…… California does want the administration to provide emergency funds for the Oroville  dam repairs :D )
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on February 19, 2017, 07:38:32 PM
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to (Tweet) and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 20, 2017, 08:41:50 AM
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 ….the irony is laughably telling. Thanx, Dan



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 20, 2017, 12:04:35 PM
I was to become a pessimist of the media but mostly of the Stars of such. Walter Cronkite lost me in his evaluation of Tet 68. After that..I never trusted him. Then Rather and his "supposed" proof from the Killian Documents and on to Mary Mapes. I have no "Heroes" of the media... To balance the "truth" to the middle, all I have to do is change channels and peruse the offerings. I don't even know the REAL meaning of a Journalist anymore... many claim but few prove. I do see "entertainers" who like the members of WWE offer up the "script of the day" and not much more. They repeat the whole dialogue over and over and over... seemingly not to seek any NEW news. It is a flagellation unending at times... painful and attention getting at times but after a while... like a brush burn...quickly barely noticeable but for the roughness of the scab.

People like Rather, are a "Was", never to be again. Now a fart in a wind storm. Please Dan... enjoy retirement and the time you have left. IMHO. Oh, and I know (not real fond of) Limbaugh, Hannity and such are not anything other than entertainers.... as is Morning Joe and "Madcow". They all stir the ashes in hopes of inducing a small flame.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 22, 2017, 09:10:59 AM
…it has been one long insufferable frickin’ month for the Kool-Aid drinking left.




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....only 45 more months to go until November 3, 2020.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Janetplanet on February 22, 2017, 10:52:20 AM
...it has been one long insufferable friction' month for the right-wing aholes.  All of their hopes and dreams are vaporizing away and they can only stand and watch. 


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 22, 2017, 03:26:04 PM
Re:
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 22, 2017, 07:09:13 PM
Trump swings a deal with Carrier including millions in state incentives to supposedly save jobs, a week later the CEO is interviewed and says he is using the millions in taxpayer incentives to increase automation and eliminate jobs at that plant to make it competitive.

Ford says it is cancelling a plan for a new Mexican plant and Trump cheers the jobs saved, details then come out of Ford's plan.  They are actually not building a new plant due to demand and are expanding another in Mexico, consolidating production in Mexico and creating jobs there.

Alibaba says they will create 1 M jobs over the next 5 years, all Trump's fans love it.  Details come out that Jack Ma is hoping to do it by encouraging US trade with Asia and China, not actually building any new factories.

CEOs are playing Trump.  They tell him what he and his supporters want to hear, everyone cheers and many overlook the details and he moves on to the next diversion.  If Trump gets called out he claims biased media.  Seems like a bunch of suckers to me.  4 years later we will know the truth.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 22, 2017, 11:05:40 PM
....thanx for sharing ;) .

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 23, 2017, 08:53:00 AM
http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/22/news/economy/trump-supporters-obamacare-unaffordable/index.html?iid=hp-toplead-dom (http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/22/news/economy/trump-supporters-obamacare-unaffordable/index.html?iid=hp-toplead-dom)
The reality it around 20% give or take had high deductible plans prior to Obamacare.  Nothing will be free, and they might soon be in for a reality check on the alternative.  The problem is the high cost of health care and that will not go away with either plan.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 23, 2017, 09:17:01 AM
http://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/2/22/14697718/donald-trump-putin-russia-kremlin-hillary-clinton?yptr=yahoo (http://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/2/22/14697718/donald-trump-putin-russia-kremlin-hillary-clinton?yptr=yahoo)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 23, 2017, 01:20:11 PM
Re:
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...an informative CNN article reporting on the viewpoints of those depending on Obamacare regarding their coverage. Thanx for sharing. ;D

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Janetplanet on February 23, 2017, 04:56:55 PM
I can personally be an example for that article being inaccurate.  I am not naive enough to believe that the insurance companies are gouging everybody, but I have an excellent plan with ACA and I will be glad to discuss it with anybody who is receptive to listening.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 24, 2017, 12:12:07 AM
Re:

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clp_lives’ cited/linked CNN article about a survey of 48 Obamacare users citing their personal comments regarding their personal experiences regarding their personal high financial costs of their being mandated to purchase, under penalty of a hefty fine, Obamacare medical insurance coverage is-

....inaccurate? ? ? ?

Interesting observation.

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Now, I could certainly be........’ inaccurate’, ....

....tho, I’m rather confident clp_lives chose that particular CNN article to illustrate his point, “The problem is the high cost of health care”.

I certainly did not get the impression in reading clp_lives’s CNN article that the 48 Obamacare-covered interviewees were “inaccurate” in describing their personal experiences concerning their Obamacare costs and experiences.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 24, 2017, 12:14:11 AM
....just a hunch-

....another ‘inaccurate’ article from a ‘conservative propaganda mill’ reporting on the continuing to skyrocket Obama-stated ‘family premiums will drop by $2,500’ government-mandated Obamacare insurance coverage:

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on February 24, 2017, 07:09:46 AM
 "The law relies on market competition to keep premiums as low as possible." That's laughable. ANY law is a limitation on opportunity. It's a restriction on behavior. The ACA does nothing 'real' to allow for increased market competition. 


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on February 24, 2017, 08:24:09 AM
I listen to a Youngstown Station trough the day. The local host has people calling in who have had to go "SHOPPING" for healthcare under the ACA. Most say this.... They can find some insurance that the premiums are high but tolerable in some cases BUT   :shakeass:   Then comes the hard part.... the damned CO_PAYS.... some are several thousands PER family member.... before ONE dollar is paid by insurance. Youngstown is predominately a Democrat Bastion. Now..if you have a low enough income... here comes the Government to subsidize the Premium so they are "lower" than some paid before. A good thing??? I pay a high premium AND my tax dollars are used for others to get this "so called" cheaper premium insurance??

We have $$$$$ issues that certainly are not fair to all but are sometimes daunting. They increased the eligibility for people to jump into the Medicare/Medicaid System...many who never even contributed. My wife and I are on Medicare and we paid for the coverage and my wife still does because she is still working (her choice).

COST is everything and if it "AIN'T yer ox gettin' gored". you will be happy as a clam.... while the rest of us "CLAMS" end up in the Chowder. Yup...makes me feel just special.

If you have a plan you can live with...good for you and your family... but I bet there are a lot who cringe and won't even see a Doctor until one leg is in the grave for fear of the onslaught of the co-pay...Hmmm does that make us healthier??? as fewer people can be listed as "needing" medical care... I think that study can go both ways.

My wife and I are lucky... we won't have to worry about the $900(?) fine at tax time.... but I bet a lot take the hit. Not that they will have anything coming back in their Tax Return...so the deficit would be added to the NEXT year...

My "hopes and dreams" aren't "Vaporizing" but I am watching and...for the most part... enjoy the direction and speed of this train....and I have yet to see a wreck ahead...just some "leftist speed bumps" Oops... there is another one  ;) . This is a different engineer and one who is will to change up the situation instaed of the same old crap we have put up with.

As far as JOBS.... Not helping.... wanting to get a $12+ minimum wage in place and expect businesses to find ways to cut expenses... Automation has been taking jobs since the assembly line... it now has more incentive to speed up the process.... Kepp using those "Self Check Out" Lines at stores... Have seen "illustrious" union workers (many wear the jacket,hat, or t-shirt to proclaim their membership) using those lines and I ask them why? A conundrum??

I will keep watching...somethings I won't agree with but a lot have the right direction. Again...we are barely in over a month and if the screeching and crying keep going... the sound will become like fingernails on a chalkboard...more of a nuisance than a "movement".





Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 24, 2017, 10:38:56 AM
The “screeching and crying”  becoming “like fingernails on a chalkboard" is a de facto tacit visceral admission by snowflake losers that they have been embarrassingly caught with their pussy hats pulled firmly down over their delusional, deeply inward feelings-blinded  eyes rather than their having to face and deal with their actual factual intellectually-based  reality.

It’s post-election and post- inaugurations and the screechers are howling there is no plan.

It is remains fascinating that the ‘conservative propaganda mill” National Public Radio was proactively reporting the differences between the Republican and Democratic presidential nominees’ stated  plans  regarding Obamacare-

.... BEFORE the election, and

....it went unheeded by the now self-entitled and self-declared pussy-hatted.
 
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....it is, of course, all-

....Trump’s fault.

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: bighair80s on February 24, 2017, 01:27:29 PM
The “screeching and crying”  becoming “like fingernails on a chalkboard" is a de facto tacit visceral admission by snowflake losers that they have been embarrassingly caught with their pussy hats pulled firmly down over their delusional, deeply inward feelings-blinded  eyes rather than their having to face and deal with their actual factual intellectually-based  reality.



the "women's march" was likely the most stupid, incoherent, hysterical expression I've seen in a long time. i can't even offer up a joke about it. that's how completely baffled I am about it. ???



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 24, 2017, 02:33:01 PM
....freedom of assembly and freedom of speech :D


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 24, 2017, 02:36:39 PM
When the left coast bastion of liberal mind control and propaganda LA TIMES reports it has become a mental health issue for the minions of the left....

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....its a testament of the 'trumpatized'.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 24, 2017, 02:39:05 PM
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https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=Pyscho-Liberal+Goes+Ballistic+On+Trump+Supporter%21+youtube#id=1&vid=bdc076d093980d3c1856daece2ddc80a&action=click (https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=Pyscho-Liberal+Goes+Ballistic+On+Trump+Supporter%21+youtube#id=1&vid=bdc076d093980d3c1856daece2ddc80a&action=click)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 24, 2017, 02:40:10 PM
I pulled my all my investment funds out of the market a couple days before BREXIT, pending developing events.

The morning after the election I immediately moved my funds back into the market, with aprx half the amount invested in small capital investment growth funds, and-

....the remaining funds into small capital investment mental health treatment stock funds.

Gotta luv how fate work$ $umtime$.

Thanx, Taras of the electorate ;) .


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Janetplanet on February 24, 2017, 07:14:05 PM
Sign onto the forum and see who has posted last (again, and again).  Wonder if this person realizes what a bully is?


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 25, 2017, 01:00:44 AM
Re:

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....an enlightening and telling commentary by someone who is documented calling other posters “so biased”, “a jagoff”, and “assholes”.

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I remain deeply honored and cherish having the opportunity to continue proactively supporting and defending a poster’s constitutional right of free speech in writing ad hominem personal attacks in lieu of and compensating for a documented inability to contribute pertinent informative facts to the topic. :thumbsup:





Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on February 25, 2017, 02:05:22 AM
And i repeat...

It's really hard to carry on an adult discussion with anyone who can only respond through dancing emojis and e-greeting cards.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 25, 2017, 10:03:55 AM
Re:

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As combat-decorated active duty retired veteran having spent decades in a professional career taking repeated oaths affirming to defend and support the constitution of the United States, I continue to proactively support and defend the constitutional right of free speech of anyone so choosing to falsely accuse and blame someone else of being at fault for those accusers’ admitted inabilities to be able to converse on any matter.

If posters want to admit their ignorance and their lack of communicating skills to a world wide audience, it is a free country. Posters are free to pursue any and all efforts endeavoring to blame Gore for those admitted lacking, inadequate social conversation skill sets.

Likewise, I proactively support and defend the constitutional right of posters endeavoring to impose any self-entitled emotional desires to control a discussion in the manner those posters so choose to impose in order to regulate and control a conversation to match their admitted communicative skill level.
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 25, 2017, 10:04:50 AM
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While I do like and enjoy many Hollywood types’ professional efforts no matter their politics, I am noticing a snowballing trend of working class Americans actively boycotting Many Hollywood works and associated advertising revenues because of the proclaimed self-entitled  politics.
It is going to be interesting to watch how such self-entitled vitriol manifests itself regarding Hollywood economics and fallout associated finances as the list of boycotted actors continues to grow.  [/]


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Janetplanet on February 25, 2017, 11:47:56 AM
Now I know what arrogant blowhard he reminds me of - DONALD TRUMP!!! How ironic.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: bighair80s on February 25, 2017, 01:51:32 PM
Is that irony?

I'm being ironic.  :)





Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on February 25, 2017, 03:37:34 PM
Now I know what arrogant blowhard he reminds me of - DONALD TRUMP!!! How ironic.
It's definitely the same command of reality, mocking attitude toward opposing voices and certainty that only he is right.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on February 25, 2017, 04:14:57 PM
The Nationalist bent of the Trump Administration is anathema to libertarian thought.  (http://reason.com/blog/2017/02/17/trumps-anti-libertarian-ethno-nationalis)

I'm not a fan thus far . . . but then, I wasn't a fan to begin with.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 26, 2017, 12:55:12 PM
Re:

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 26, 2017, 12:55:21 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 26, 2017, 02:02:09 PM
Some telling insight background into why it will be a long time until three-quarters of the states ratify  abandoning  the Electoral College, as why Trump won the election:


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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on February 27, 2017, 02:51:21 AM
I've had more-meaningful discussions with second-graders.

At least they know how to use the Reply button and don't need to resort to the equivalent of yelling "pee pee" in every response just in a desperate attempt to get attention.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 27, 2017, 09:36:12 AM
Although a proposal at this point looking at the graphs you will certainly see a trend and where the biggest cuts will go.  If you make over $500k a year you will be in luck.  A typical family, reasonable income with a few kids, good luck.  To a point you have 3 or more kids you actually pay more.  Clearly true to the Republican stance, the rich will get the most benefit.  Not quite helping many in his core base from this proposal.

http://www.businessinsider.com/who-will-lose-money-trump-tax-plan-2017-2?hl=1&noRedirect=1/#first-heres-a-quick-synopsis-of-some-of-the-main-changes-that-would-affect-people-1 (http://www.businessinsider.com/who-will-lose-money-trump-tax-plan-2017-2?hl=1&noRedirect=1/#first-heres-a-quick-synopsis-of-some-of-the-main-changes-that-would-affect-people-1)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 27, 2017, 12:11:10 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on February 27, 2017, 01:28:22 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on February 27, 2017, 03:16:16 PM
Middle income families paying a few hundred more in taxes is not the same as a person making $1M per year doing the same.  There is and always will be a basic level of income needed to survive, pay for food, housing, transportation, raising kids etc.  Making $1M seems to pass that minimum threshold to me but hey if someone thinks a family with kids making $50k per year needs to pay more in taxes one can certainly feel that way if they have an issue with people paying no federal taxes.  Not that this accounts for all the taxes one might pay anyway, sales, property, gas, state and local income etc. In the end when accounting for all taxes paid not just federal, the middle to low class worker is actually quite high for their income.  Someone has to pay the taxes, the people or the companies you work for, it does not come for free.  One just needs to decide what is fair and still allows those that grow up in family that may not have it all an opportunity to do better for themselves by working toward it. 

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: bighair80s on February 27, 2017, 09:20:54 PM
I prepared taxes for a nationally known tax preparation corporation for a couple years recently. I passed the IRS required test and I know what I'm talking about.

If you think that only rich people can be greedy cheats you are wrong.  I witnessed first hand the obscene abuse of Earned Income Credit. There is an fairly large segment of the population who are receiving huge sums of money as "tax refunds" that know exactly how to   game the system to get hefty payouts of money without having to work for it.  They know the exact amount of money they can make, relatives to have live with them, etc to maximize their haul.  And it's legal and even if people lie and commit fraud you can't do anything about it except document their answers and make notations. They get away with it. Year after year. 

Why would a  family even bother trying to work hard over many years to get ahead when you see others working less and get a nice 16k$ windfall every spring.

I shit you not. 


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on March 01, 2017, 07:01:14 AM
Wow, I feel like a tax-filing slacker. I used taxact and follow the instructions. I'm probably screwing myself out of some money in the end, but I do get to sleep not worrying about getting a registered letter from the feds. I have a few (one extremely) well off friends and they do pay their fair share of taxes. One misconception a lot of people think is that they wealthy somehow skate on paying anything. Like BH said, the tax abuse is not limited to one group. It does however get a lot of comment when the abuser should be paying more into the system than they do.

So back OT, I'm beginning to see a strategy here. I've seen it in several takeovers where I've been on the "newly acquired" team. This strategy is "storm in acting like a deranged madman and get everyone dazed and confused, them let off the gas and cruise on through with your agenda."  So the first part of this has already mostly happened. For better or worse he has all of the democrats and a fair number of the republicans practically panic stricken. That means he can move forward without facing any real organized opposition. It's simple but effective.

Yeah, the people he's dealing with are smarter than that (and probably me too) but the sheer chaos that has been introduced has everyone reeling at the moment which provides him a window of opportunity. He said he wanted to be unpredictable and that's exactly what he's been so far. I'm still not a fan though.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on March 01, 2017, 07:17:15 AM
FDR governed the same way. Management via chaos.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on March 01, 2017, 10:31:23 AM
FDR governed the same way. Management via chaos.
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Life, ever read Doris Kearns Goodwin's bio of FDR? She's a Harvard historian and a very engaging writer. I really enjoy her style. I'd say his chaos was thoughtful chaos. His WH was certainly lively & chaotic, with constant guests & activity. But he withdrew to his stamp collection for private time.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Acctool on March 01, 2017, 11:39:27 AM
I prepared taxes for a nationally known tax preparation corporation for a couple years recently. I passed the IRS required test and I know what I'm talking about.

If you think that only rich people can be greedy cheats you are wrong.  I witnessed first hand the obscene abuse of Earned Income Credit. There is an fairly large segment of the population who are receiving huge sums of money as "tax refunds" that know exactly how to   game the system to get hefty payouts of money without having to work for it.  They know the exact amount of money they can make, relatives to have live with them, etc to maximize their haul.  And it's legal and even if people lie and commit fraud you can't do anything about it except document their answers and make notations. They get away with it. Year after year. 

Why would a  family even bother trying to work hard over many years to get ahead when you see others working less and get a nice 16k$ windfall every spring.

I shit you not.


True statement! However if I suspect someone lying to me about info on their return I send them out of my office, never to deal with again. "Oh, you don't have the documentation to prove this child lives with you? Well, in that case when you get it you can call to make another appointment and we'll finish you up then."


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on March 01, 2017, 01:09:42 PM
Ami - FDR often pit people against each other too. (Cabinet members) It's a style of management. I'm not a proponent of it - but it appears as though Trump is. Never read that book you'd mentioned - no. 


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on March 01, 2017, 01:51:44 PM
Ami - FDR often pit people against each other too. (Cabinet members) It's a style of management. I'm not a proponent of it - but it appears as though Trump is. Never read that book you'd mentioned - no. 
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He did so that, and a host of other questionable things, but he bring the nation out of a crisis. Her investgation of his private life, Eleanor, etc, is really thorough. I think you would like it.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on March 01, 2017, 01:57:16 PM
Cool! Thanks! I may check it out. I find things like that more enlightening in regards to history. I mean - history is stories, people's stories. Events don't happen in a vacuum.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: bighair80s on March 01, 2017, 04:00:45 PM
I prepared taxes for a nationally known tax preparation corporation for a couple years recently. I passed the IRS required test and I know what I'm talking about.

If you think that only rich people can be greedy cheats you are wrong.  I witnessed first hand the obscene abuse of Earned Income Credit. There is an fairly large segment of the population who are receiving huge sums of money as "tax refunds" that know exactly how to   game the system to get hefty payouts of money without having to work for it.  They know the exact amount of money they can make, relatives to have live with them, etc to maximize their haul.  And it's legal and even if people lie and commit fraud you can't do anything about it except document their answers and make notations. They get away with it. Year after year. 

Why would a  family even bother trying to work hard over many years to get ahead when you see others working less and get a nice 16k$ windfall every spring.

I shit you not.


True statement! However if I suspect someone lying to me about info on their return I send them out of my office, never to deal with again. "Oh, you don't have the documentation to prove this child lives with you? Well, in that case when you get it you can call to make another appointment and we'll finish you up then."


Absolutely! We are required by law to practice due diligence. There are rules and guidelines about requiring authentic documentation etc, unfortunately it's not easy to have absolute proof about where people or children actually live. I've seen elaborate habitation arrangements reported that are all but impossible to prove or disprove.  EIC tax law is an easy target for fraud because the scenarios covered by it are nearly infinite and the law is a convoluted.

I don't prepare taxes any longer as a preparer.  It is an eye opening experience though.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on March 01, 2017, 05:56:03 PM
Cool! Thanks! I may check it out. I find things like that more enlightening in regards to history. I mean - history is stories, people's stories. Events don't happen in a vacuum.


I really like her writing style. Her book about the Kennedys is good, too - how the family dynasty came into being.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 02, 2017, 09:52:41 AM
I wonder if he will now vote to remove himself?
https://thinkprogress.org/jeff-sessions-said-that-people-who-commit-perjury-must-be-removed-from-office-135edbfb84d9#.ascene9da


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 02, 2017, 12:20:08 PM
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....but La La Land won the popular vote !!!!! :D


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 02, 2017, 11:44:28 PM
.... :D ....

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4271412/Obama-confidante-Valerie-Jarrett-moves-Kaloroma-home.html (http://[b)

....imagine that.

Imagine the massive riots in the streets if Rove moved into W’s post-presidency residence to head a nerve center to scheme against and force the  “great unite-ter"  out of office.

It just can’t possibly get any sillier  ;) .


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 02, 2017, 11:57:36 PM
.... :D ....

It just can’t possibly get any sillier.

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 03, 2017, 11:24:17 AM
Oh the irony on the personal email server:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/03/politics/mike-pence-personal-email-address/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/03/politics/mike-pence-personal-email-address/index.html)

And more and more coming out about additional Russian contacts:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/02/politics/russia-donald-trump-meetings-ambassador/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/02/politics/russia-donald-trump-meetings-ambassador/index.html)

And all you have to do is believe Fox News that coal is making a huge come back despite power plants shutting down and global production falling:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/01/coal-mining-begins-seeing-revival-as-trump-gives-industry-hope.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/01/coal-mining-begins-seeing-revival-as-trump-gives-industry-hope.html)

Or you could believe a coal CEO instead:
http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/24/investing/trump-coal-epa-regulation/ (http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/24/investing/trump-coal-epa-regulation/)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on March 03, 2017, 11:49:17 AM
.... :D ....

It just can’t possibly get any sillier.

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...really?

that's exactly what Republican Rand Paul thought as he roamed the capitol complex trying to get a copy of a secret replacement bill.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on March 03, 2017, 02:06:51 PM
Apparently there's still a glimmer of his father left in Rand Paul.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on March 03, 2017, 07:11:53 PM
I hope so. I sure do miss Dr. No.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on March 04, 2017, 09:49:38 AM
And now... Wire Tapping of Trump Tower during the election process.... Hmmm Who DUNNIT?? ??... Wonder if it is true??? If it is...then what?? ??....


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on March 04, 2017, 11:37:48 AM
And now... Wire Tapping of Trump Tower during the election process.... Hmmm Who DUNNIT?? ??... Wonder if it is true??? If it is...then what?? ??....

Here's something to chew on. I'm going to spout off on this because I do have some knowledge about it. Places like the Trump tower have a PBX. Unless the PBX is a dinosaur the calls leave the building as VoIP (Voice over IP). Tapping VoP all is difficult, but the legality of it is really sketchy given the laws in place. So If it happened... I'm not saying it's  right, but it might not necessarily be against the law either.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 04, 2017, 04:10:56 PM
Of course no basis of fact just his paranoia.    Speaking of paranoia I see a trend here, I see quite a few of his traits on the list, a list for dementia.......

Cognitive changes
  • Memory loss, which is usually noticed by a spouse or someone else
  • Difficulty communicating or finding words
  • Difficulty reasoning or problem-solving
  • Difficulty handling complex tasks
  • Difficulty with planning and organizing
  • Difficulty with coordination and motor functions
  • Confusion and disorientation
Psychological changes
  • Personality changes
  • Depression
  • Anxiety
  • Inappropriate behavior
  • Paranoia
  • Agitation
  • Hallucinations

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/dementia/symptoms-causes/dxc-20198504 (http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/dementia/symptoms-causes/dxc-20198504)



And now... Wire Tapping of Trump Tower during the election process.... Hmmm Who DUNNIT?? ??... Wonder if it is true??? If it is...then what?? ??....


Here's something to chew on. I'm going to spout off on this because I do have some knowledge about it. Places like the Trump tower have a PBX. Unless the PBX is a dinosaur the calls leave the building as VoIP (Voice over IP). Tapping VoP all is difficult, but the legality of it is really sketchy given the laws in place. So If it happened... I'm not saying it's  right, but it might not necessarily be against the law either.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on March 04, 2017, 04:41:57 PM
Note the Trump pattern is that every time the news cycle goes against him, he throws out some absurd, shiny object of a tweet.

As usual, he offers zero factual basis or evidence for such an accusation.

Meanwhile, he's racking up the expense of a FOURTH weekend in florida since he took office.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on March 04, 2017, 05:17:05 PM
Realize that he is consciously avoiding the Washington weekend social circuit - things the President would normally be a part of. It will be interesting to see how his Florida jauntsl play out. Travel is part of the job, but.... Even past GOP presidents weren't spendthrifts.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on March 04, 2017, 06:14:37 PM
James Rosen   ?? ??


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on March 04, 2017, 06:52:53 PM
He has some Sunday thing in Orlando he's doing, so there is some "business" to attend to. Still that's multiple aircraft and staff as well as the ATC nightmare he causes wherever he goes.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on March 04, 2017, 11:50:32 PM
Apparently Priebus & Gannon were uninvited to FL this evening....lots of conflict in the WH .


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 05, 2017, 12:14:47 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 05, 2017, 12:18:08 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: bighair80s on March 05, 2017, 01:43:08 PM
I saw this question on twitter. It's a good question but I've not seen it on the "news". 

"What's the chance Obama's DOJ decided to ask FISA Ct to wiretap opposition party candidate for POTUS & White House didn't know? "



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on March 05, 2017, 03:42:45 PM
Interesting question. It's entirely possible as quite often people are hired operate autonomously. While this in itself is usually a good thing as the individual does not require supervision and has somewhat free-reign to meet whatever objectives they are given.

The down side is of course that their superiors are still on the hook for their actions.

No evidence has been submitted to suggest it was bugged and if it was then how was it done? Conventional wiretap? VoIP wiretap. As far as I know VoIP taps are legal (though extremely difficult) but they have to be listed to live and can't be recorded without a court order.

It's all chaos anyhow. Lots of stuff is flying through the air that makes little to no sense anymore.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on March 05, 2017, 04:06:38 PM
Re:

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Another example of just changing the subject as a diversion...


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on March 05, 2017, 04:13:24 PM
I like how the white house spokeswoman on the morning shows was trying to imply the wiretapping was real because the NYTimes and other MSM are reporting on it.

No, they're writing about Trump's cryptic tweets, not in any way reporting with any evidence thereof, since so far there isn't any.

Nonetheless, it's plausible that some form of warrant did exist. For that, we can thank the security hawks who think it's necessary to have the secret FISA court and its low bar for evidence, all in the name of keeping our homeland safe.

And besides, conservatives have made it clear that if you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't have any problem with the government going through your communications in hopes of finding the real bad guys.

There's quite a bit irony in Trump's outrage.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on March 05, 2017, 05:31:20 PM
Let's try this....


http://video.foxnews.com/v/5348359459001/?#sp=show-clips (http://video.foxnews.com/v/5348359459001/?#sp=show-clips)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 05, 2017, 07:02:26 PM
The diversion tactic, you look into the wiretap allegations while I once again play golf this weekend.  He complained about Obama and I have to wonder if he already played more rounds than Obama did in 8 years.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 06, 2017, 09:50:53 AM
Working to destroy a wide range from the the environment to unions..... In case anyone is getting too sidetracked by the Russian spy drama, the following bills have been introduced:
1. HR 861 Terminate the Environmental Protection Agency
2. HR 610 Vouchers for Public Education
3. HR 899 Terminate the Department of Education
4. HJR 69 Repeal Rule Protecting Wildlife
5. HR 370 Repeal Affordable Care Act
6. HR 354 Defund Planned Parenthood
7. HR 785 National Right to Work (this one ends unions)
8. HR 83 Mobilizing Against Sanctuary Cities Bill
9. HR 147 Criminalizing Abortion (“Prenatal Nondiscrimination Act”)
10. HR 808 Sanctions against Iran


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 06, 2017, 10:50:26 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on March 06, 2017, 02:34:40 PM
Working to destroy a wide range from the the environment to unions..... In case anyone is getting too sidetracked by the Russian spy drama, the following bills have been introduced:
Fortunately, even though republicans have majority power in congress and the white house, they are too disorganized within to agree on much of anything.

Besides, a lot of this gets back to the dog actually catching the car he always chases, then has no idea what to do with it when that happens. Remember, Obamacare was to be done and gone as of Jan. 21, period.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on March 06, 2017, 03:14:29 PM
On the flip side of the coin... and I'm not saying Trumps phones were bugged, but Obama's past track record on bugging phones isn't all that great either. Ask Angela Merkel about that.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on March 07, 2017, 07:45:58 AM
I will say this... Merkel and others in countries other than ours , are monitored constantly and ALL countries do this to each other... even our allies... like Israel.

The flip side is when it is used against American citizens.... like...James Rosen and his family. I cannot believe this is the ONLY incident where and American Citizen was treated in this manner and would not put it above any administration. It is a tool and good or bad...it is used...sort of like ... ups and downs on Water Boarding.... Some say useful, others... not so much.


On the flip side of the coin... and I'm not saying Trumps phones were bugged, but Obama's past track record on bugging phones isn't all that great either. Ask Angela Merkel about that.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 07, 2017, 08:22:44 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 07, 2017, 12:52:22 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 07, 2017, 09:24:40 PM
The Pope and Trump are on Trump’s yacht taking a sight-seeing cruise around Manhattan.

A gust of wind blows the Pope’s zucchetto cap over the railing and into the river.

Trump says “I’ll get it your Eminence”, orders the yacht stopped, then climbs down the ladder, walks out across the water retrieves the cap, and walks back to the yacht returning the cap to the Pope.

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 08, 2017, 07:38:54 AM
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....just a hunch-

....still packin’ it in and loadin’ up....

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Janetplanet on March 08, 2017, 08:24:52 AM
Where is the discussion?


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 08, 2017, 09:39:34 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on March 08, 2017, 02:59:09 PM
....just a hunch-

....still packin’ it in and loadin’ up....

We have no obligation to take Barbra literally if Trump's apologists keep saying, "Oh, you have to understand, he didn't mean that literally."


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: bighair80s on March 08, 2017, 04:14:43 PM
....just a hunch-

....still packin’ it in and loadin’ up....

We have no obligation to take Barbra literally if Trump's apologists keep saying, "Oh, you have to understand, he didn't mean that literally."


I would posit there's at least ample EMPIRICAL  evidence of this... aforementioned "packing in".

😜


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on March 09, 2017, 07:56:29 AM
I learned a new concept yesterday, that of a "disjunctive presidency."  I am offering this op-ed article, the first few paragraphs at least, as an explanation of what this term means and how some think it may apply to Trump. Nothing more, nothing less. I am not a political scientist, merely an informed, opinionated, voter and, being old enough to remember well the Carter admin, I thought that the hypothesis of this analysis was fascinating. But, just a hypothesis. We will have to see how it plays out.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/08/opinion/why-republicans-cant-do-health-care.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/08/opinion/why-republicans-cant-do-health-care.html)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on March 09, 2017, 09:57:00 AM
Interesting piece. Personally, I don't see Trump as more tha a one-term fluke unless outside circumstances thrusts him into a role something more than someone with Twittering Tourette's.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on March 09, 2017, 11:46:19 AM
Interesting piece. Personally, I don't see Trump as more tha a one-term fluke unless outside circumstances thrusts him into a role something more than someone with Twittering Tourette's.

Well, yes, I agree. However, given the surprises of the last election, I would say,


"Anything can happen."



I was watching Designated Survivor last night - great episode - and the thought crossed my mind that, in spite of our best and most honorable intentions, our freedoms can *possibly* set us up for failure or chaos. Again, just a random thought, but we all know we have no real control over anything except of our own selves. Corporately, it is not always easy to organize 330+M people into a peaceful, functioning Union. Just look at the health care debacle, for instance.



Anakin was talking to a person from Finland this week, and learned that most individuals pay their income taxes on their cell phones and it takes about 30 minutes.
I think we are the ones who are behind the times and disorganized!!  :)  lol


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on March 09, 2017, 02:35:50 PM
Well the cell phone has been entrenched in Finland for a long time. It's where it was invented after all. I'll stop there before I go on forever about technological hurdles.

Healthcare reform proposals started back under Truman and has been proposed by numerous administrations ever since, even Nixons, whose proposal was actually closer to what we really need. The crux of the problem is not the "devil in the details"  you must be covered or you'll be fined aspect, but rather all about political posturing. The opposing camp doesn't want it to succeed because they can't take credit for it and can't pound their chest and say "look at what we did people!"

It's never been about "us" or "the people", it's about who has the most gold stars next to their name come election time. It's politics, bragging rights  and money.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on March 09, 2017, 08:45:45 PM
It's never about "US" but it seems to me that if other countries can utilize such technology, have good health care, keep their infrastructure up to date...it's not impossible that we can avail ourselves of this technology. We just choose not to do so. <sigh>


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: bighair80s on March 09, 2017, 08:46:26 PM
Ami,

There is an app from Turbotax to file and pay tax or apply for refund.  You can take a picture of w2's and it imports to appropriate category. It can import information from Quick Books  and even file and make payment of your self employment taxes.  I've never tried to use the mobile phone apps of those products mainly because I'd hate to work on such a small device with these old eyes.  Lol.   I use the PC formats of Quick Books and TurboTax'.  Tax time is pretty easy.  I even file quarterly estimated business taxes electronically.

Some businesses run their entire bookkeeping and finances on mobile devices. It's then easy to file taxes with the tap on a screen.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Janetplanet on March 09, 2017, 10:18:51 PM
Interesting "breaking news" tonight about a computer "look up" heavy traffic from Russia to Trump campaign.  Don't confess to understanding all of it - but it sounds interesting.  More to come.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on March 10, 2017, 08:41:03 AM
Ami,

There is an app from Turbotax to file and pay tax or apply for refund.  You can take a picture of w2's and it imports to appropriate category. It can import information from Quick Books  and even file and make payment of your self employment taxes.  I've never tried to use the mobile phone apps of those products mainly because I'd hate to work on such a small device with these old eyes.  Lol.   I use the PC formats of Quick Books and TurboTax'.  Tax time is pretty easy.  I even file quarterly estimated business taxes electronically.

Some businesses run their entire bookkeeping and finances on mobile devices. It's then easy to file taxes with the tap on a screen.


That's good to know. I'll pass this along. Maybe we can speed it up, even a little. It's so arduous.... lol


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 10, 2017, 09:11:00 AM
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….well,-

….that is certainly a fine comprehensive listing of up to date  most informative "news"….

One can certainly appreciate how  it sounds interesting and there is More to come
 
….thanx for sharing :D



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: bighair80s on March 10, 2017, 09:23:44 AM
Fwiw, google analytics stats for our unsophisticated business website shows the highest number of website hits come from Russian Federation. 

More to come?? 😳😳

I'd post a picture of stats page if I could figure out an image hosting service besides my google photos that would work here. 


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on March 10, 2017, 10:05:43 AM
I use taxact.com FWIW. I'm very wary of using a lot of mobile apps that may contain sensitive information. The only thing I use use is Android Pay on my Nexus. When I find a place that is actually taking touch payments. The mobile world is still too much like the wild west in a lot of ways.

Our government can be really slow on the adoption of new technology. In fact it takes them years. they will dissect stuff down the most minute level before approving it. By the time it does get approved it's more than halfway to being retired and when it goes into production it's ready to be buried. It's also not so much the front end as it is the back end not being ready to handle these types of transactions. Then there's the issue of security and fraud. If someone got your critical information from your phone, which isn't that hard to do they could have a field if they got it for enough people.  I'm not necessarily talking about a hacktivist organization but hard core hackers that will take billions, launder it, lake it legit and retire nicely to a nice beachfront house.

As far as the "web traffic from Russia goes... that's a non issue as far as I'm concerned. None of it can be aggregated into anything meaningful. There's traffic that lands here to with people searching for trump and russia, specifically right in this thread.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on March 10, 2017, 10:38:46 AM
I don't look for speed at all from the IRS. I pay every year now. I make it a game...try to pay little of none. My point in this exercise is to not allow the Government the use of free money from me. I use the money I owe them by setting it aside in at least some level of interest bearing account. Refunds never include "interest" when THEY use your money. .5% is better than 0%. Don't forget... tax day is 17 APRIL this year.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 11, 2017, 07:28:58 AM
"MY PHONE WAS WIRETAPPED" (….by the federal government under the Obama administration, and the tape released to the main stream media….)



“….oh, that could never happen…”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OP5btxyH7Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OP5btxyH7Y)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on March 11, 2017, 08:44:44 AM
It's no secret the "No Such Agency" listens in on practically every phone call it can using their giant golf balls. Especially if that call is between the US and Russia. I would not be surprised if every phone call is in fact monitored in every government building, including the white house. The POTUS doesn't have the highest levels of clearance (except maybe GHWB) in the government.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Acctool on March 11, 2017, 04:02:53 PM
Don't forget... tax day is 17 APRIL this year.


April 18th, actually ;)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on March 11, 2017, 04:52:13 PM
Ahhh Emancipation Day in Washington DC...


Don't forget... tax day is 17 APRIL this year.


April 18th, actually ;)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 12, 2017, 01:45:00 PM
So now the claim is Obama manipulated the jobs report and unemployment numbers were not accurate.  The only problem with the Trump administration claiming this is the fact that now if they are reporting it correctly there should have been a big jump in the actual number unemployed to correct for these 8 years of inaccurate reporting but surprisingly that was not the case.  This administration prays on the naive.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/12/news/economy/mick-mulvaney-obama-jobs-data/index.html?iid=hp-toplead-dom (http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/12/news/economy/mick-mulvaney-obama-jobs-data/index.html?iid=hp-toplead-dom)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on March 12, 2017, 04:01:41 PM
Fake before, but real number now. Period.

It's hard to grasp how Trump could have created all kinds of new jobs in merely a month and a half on the job, part of which he didn't even have a labor secretary yet.

More importantly, the jobs number for the same period in Feb. has been within a thousand or two of 235,000 for the past couple years. But, of course, it was fudged back then but 100% accurate now.

BTW, the Labor Dept. survey literally polls something like 60,000 people every time. That's 60 to 100x the number of people sampled (typically 500 to 1,000) in a routine political poll. So the statistical accuracy is rather high


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 13, 2017, 10:04:22 AM
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.…I suspect that those having actual paid attention to the  reported current events over the years know  “now” is not the “claim”.

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 13, 2017, 10:19:22 AM
Actually Trump was claiming right up to the election they are fake and at one point in the election said the real unemployment was 42%.  He was not just talking about 2012 but nice try.

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.…I suspect that those having actual paid attention to the  reported current events over the years know  “now” is not the “claim”.

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 13, 2017, 10:34:13 AM
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Fake then, fake now….

….period.

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on March 13, 2017, 04:26:41 PM
The subject was not Obamacare. It was Trump's claim that employment numbers were faked for 8 years but the same results today are genuine and awesome.

Meanwhile, Kellyanne Conway is putting tape over the keypad on her microwave so it can't eavesdrop on her anymore.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 13, 2017, 06:48:35 PM
The job can't be fun for Spicer when you have to justify someone like Trump every time he opens his mouth or tweets.  Now wiretapping is really not wiretapping.  And apparently everyone will have wonderful health coverage really does not mean everyone.  As the old quote goes here, can it get any sillier.  With a clown leading this country I am not sure it can.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/13/politics/sean-spicer-donald-trump-wiretapping/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/13/politics/sean-spicer-donald-trump-wiretapping/index.html)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 13, 2017, 09:56:31 PM
Re:

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….I suspect that to those actually having paid attention, it’s not hard to grasp at all.

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 14, 2017, 10:47:00 AM
Now it is Tillerson under investigation.....  He is not quite keeping up with his Eagle Scout upbringing, honesty and honor.  Hiding behind a false name to push an alternative agency makes you question his commitment to the organization and their beliefs despite him being a guest speaker to this day for them.  At a recent conference speaking engagement "“People trust you. They count on you,” he said to the nearly 5,000 Eagle  Scouts gathered. “Your personal integrity, once established and earned,  people don’t have to think about it. They know. They know you. They  know you’ll do the right thing every time.”


http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/14/news/rex-tillerson-exxon-climate-change-email/index.html?iid=hp-stack-dom (http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/14/news/rex-tillerson-exxon-climate-change-email/index.html?iid=hp-stack-dom)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 14, 2017, 10:49:34 AM
Yes, all the CEOs are jumping for joy over the potentially lower corporate tax rates that will equate to larger salaries and bonuses for them.  And of course the CEOs will all say they will create tons of jobs if they get corporate tax reform, then we see later the CEOs were actually the ones that benefited the most in their wallets.

Re:

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….I suspect that to those actually having paid attention, it’s not hard to grasp at all.

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 14, 2017, 10:23:42 PM
 Re:

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….what ever you want to make up  :D   ….

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 15, 2017, 08:41:49 PM
Speaking of that conservative leaning Rasmussen poll, now his approval is at 46% even with them........
http://www.inquisitr.com/4060338/donald-trump-polls-approval-rating-lowest-presidential-approval-ratings-rasmussen-favorable-today/ (http://www.inquisitr.com/4060338/donald-trump-polls-approval-rating-lowest-presidential-approval-ratings-rasmussen-favorable-today/)

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 15, 2017, 10:51:43 PM
.….46%, eh?   

Good to know. :D

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 16, 2017, 12:04:48 AM
As usual you leave out the rest of that exact story that you quote. I expect no less though as you selectively leave out the details that do not suit you.   His final approval rating is among the top three: 

 His final job approval rating, based on Jan. 17-19 Gallup Daily  tracking, was 59%. Only Clinton (66%) and Reagan (63%) had higher scores  in Gallup's last measurement of their approval ratings, while  Eisenhower (59%) and Kennedy (58%) had similar final ratings.

Obama began his presidency with approval ratings in the high 60s, among the best for a newly elected president (http://www.gallup.com/poll/113968/obama-initial-approval-ratings-historical-context.aspx).

As Trump sits at 42% with the same Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx)

And the link to the FULL story you picked and chose from to quote:

http://forum.eeticket.com/index.php?action=post;quote=59039;topic=3462.240;num_replies=248;a4a77f0158=3df4e8873430c6007e52b64387957546 (http://forum.eeticket.com/index.php?action=post;quote=59039;topic=3462.240;num_replies=248;a4a77f0158=3df4e8873430c6007e52b64387957546)

Yes it is good to know how you twist and manipulate facts and stories.


 
.….46%, eh?   

Good to know. :D

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 16, 2017, 12:23:40 AM
....yes, Dear.

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 16, 2017, 09:54:38 AM
Yes, you certainly do that quite often.......
....yes, Dear.

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 16, 2017, 11:17:17 AM
.....yes,Dear :D

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 16, 2017, 02:03:24 PM
....  ;D   ....

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 17, 2017, 06:20:27 PM
The funny thing about Trump relying on Fox News for his supposed news facts is he will not know when he is finally impeached as that is one thing Fox will not report.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 17, 2017, 08:51:03 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 20, 2017, 03:13:24 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 20, 2017, 05:04:00 PM
The record high stock market tends to do that with those that own stock or mutual funds.

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 21, 2017, 12:38:03 PM
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Ain’t that the truth.... ;D

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As previously noted,  I’ve earned significantly more in my market tax-free capital gains since election day, and then another notable spike post inauguration, than any years in the last eight years.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 21, 2017, 01:37:31 PM
Profits are only locked in if you sold.  Otherwise it is paper money waiting for the next crash.  Perhaps your memory is a bit foggy high up in those mountains from 8 years ago, or you had some poor investment choices back then.  The recovery after the 2008 crash was clearly way better than this bump.  The Dow alone adding around 40% in one year, NASDAQ 50% from Feb 2009 to Feb 2010.  When Obama started the Dow was around 7500 and when he left over 19,000.  Not bad for 8 years!  I guess we will see come Feb 2018 if the Dow hits 30k and 50k in 8 years.  Thanks Obama.....

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Ain’t that the truth.... ;D

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As previously noted,  I’ve earned significantly more in my market tax-free capital gains since election day, and then another notable spike post inauguration, than any years in the last eight years.



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 21, 2017, 10:20:40 PM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 22, 2017, 09:25:24 AM
Yes it was clearly better, it was sustained over 7 years.  A couple month bump does not compare.  If is continues throughout his 4 year term like it did with Obama in 8 then you can talk.
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on March 22, 2017, 12:17:03 PM
So.... conversely ...if it does... "You can't talk???"  :eyebrow:


Yes it was clearly better, it was sustained over 7 years.  A couple month bump does not compare.  If is continues throughout his 4 year term like it did with Obama in 8 then you can talk.
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....clearly w-a-a-a-a-a-y better than this bump....

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 22, 2017, 09:28:39 PM
I'll retire way early.


So.... conversely ...if it does... "You can't talk???"  :eyebrow:


Yes it was clearly better, it was sustained over 7 years.  A couple month bump does not compare.  If is continues throughout his 4 year term like it did with Obama in 8 then you can talk.
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....clearly w-a-a-a-a-a-y better than this bump....

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on March 23, 2017, 12:39:34 PM
It's not quite clear how a bump of around 10 percent/2,000 pts is better than about +150%/11,000 pts.

The latest blip is more a market reaction to the election putting an end of uncertainly and to expectations that financial regulations might be lifted -- regulations put in place to avoid another market collapse that got us into that mess in the first place.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 24, 2017, 06:31:58 PM
Strike 1 - Immigration ban
Strike 2 - Immigration ban revisited
Strike 3 - ObamaCare replacement

Time to move on to tax reform........

They have a majority now, complained for 6 years and still can't come up with a replacement plan they could vote on.

Now that is funny.
 
Trump is now saying let ObamaCare explode, it is good to see the President is looking out for the country and the effect it could have to millions.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on March 24, 2017, 07:12:08 PM
At least he is trying to take care of those Millions who foot the bill for the rest.... 64 days in and you expect...what???? Only God could do anything in 6 plus a day of rest. It ain't over ...Just the warm up... Looks like jobs are being created/maintained/brought back and the pipeline is going to be law on Monday. The Canadians are already doing their construction on it. Next will also be the taxation issue...ya gonna say no to that if it goes through??? Life goes on...

And...do we really want the Canadian style health system? Most Canadians are too young to remember it being any other way. Seems they have LOST half their Hospitals and wait times are much worse than ours... not to mention..those Canadians who positively need immediate care... guess where they go.... ???? The good old USA... and they are willing to pay. Some of them are more patient than others...but they might be called deceased. :o




Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 24, 2017, 08:40:35 PM
Complaining for the past 6 years, majority in the House and Senate, yes I would expect more if I was a supporter.  He said repeal on day one actually.  Of course according to Trump he was quoted as saying "nobody knew that health care could be so complicated" which gives me great confidence in his intellectual abilities as he was the first to realize this I am sure.  Jobs, yes he is claiming for his own decisions that started a year or more ago.  The Trump administration and their Russian ties, it is going to be  one bumpy ride.  You should have said he is taking care of those that "make" millions instead.  Oh yes and that pipeline, once in operation 35 full time positions are needed which will be build by a Canadian company.  It is the weekend and Trump called off the vote, he had to catch a plane and go play a couple rounds of golf.  The blame game already started, he says somehow it was the Democrats fault for the Republicans inability to vote.  I would say I heard it all, but I know there will only be more.  Strike 3, next batter up! Or fore!

Now moving forward they need 60 Senate votes and control only 52 seats since they first were trying to roll this health care vote into a budget reconcilliation bill not subject to a filibuster in the Senate.  Moving forward it will not get any easier to get 60 votes controlling only 52 and TrumpCare is likely done for 2 years.  Good luck getting agreement on the next agenda - tax reform.

Now it will be up to Trump to save ObamaCare in the interim, LOL.


At least he is trying to take care of those Millions who foot the bill for the rest.... 64 days in and you expect...what? ??? Only God could do anything in 6 plus a day of rest. It ain't over ...Just the warm up... Looks like jobs are being created/maintained/brought back and the pipeline is going to be law on Monday. The Canadians are already doing their construction on it. Next will also be the taxation issue...ya gonna say no to that if it goes through??? Life goes on...

And...do we really want the Canadian style health system? Most Canadians are too young to remember it being any other way. Seems they have LOST half their Hospitals and wait times are much worse than ours... not to mention..those Canadians who positively need immediate care... guess where they go.... ??? ? The good old USA... and they are willing to pay. Some of them are more patient than others...but they might be called deceased. :o


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on March 24, 2017, 10:00:33 PM
The House successfully voted how many times -- 30, 40 50? -- to repeal obamacare back when it was a meaningless vote nd clearly not going to be signed by the president.

Every republican and trump campaigned on repealing and replacing on Day One, with a plan was was bigger, better, stronger, faster, and full of care for every american.

Now that the dog has caught the car, t'aint so easy, McGee.

Turns out the plan they pulled and allnighter for and threw together -- and they had 6 or 7 years to work on it -- was actually worse than obamacare, if that's even possible (based on how they villified it).

Again, they and trump claimed to have a plan that solved all the problems and made things better and cheaper. They lied. They never had a plan.

And now that they've been called on it, even the GOP members realize this flies in the face of what their constituents want. And maybe this means someone will run against them next time.

It was all fake. Repeal and replace isn't gonna happen, because there's no replace. And the voters fell for this bullshit and believed it.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 24, 2017, 10:02:28 PM
Obama 1 Trump 0

For those keeping score.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on March 25, 2017, 07:01:53 AM

Again... you follow the path of lemmings when talking about those "6 years". There were many plans put together to change/repeal BUT..if you just said the rest of the story.... NO ONE on the DEM side would even allow any of them to even be brought up for discussion on the floor. Dem party heads just shut them down, being the Majority Party. I don't think this is over by a long shot...
And yes...AFTER the pipeline is finished..there may well be less than 50 people needed to maintain it BUT... there will be thousands needed to do the needed construction for years. Maybe you don't know or care much about CONSTRUCTION jobs but.... other than maintaining PA roads.... single jobs are not what you retire from. People working construction, work PROJECT lengths, not permanent PROJECTS. When done, they will have had up to 5 years towards their retirements and will hopefully have ANOTHER project to go to for even more time. In that 5 years... some will retire/pass and young workers will come up through the increased ranks and get some seniority under their belts.
I wonder how much you would smirk... if one of those, who were left to maintain the Pipeline, were one of your family members? Not so bad then...HUH?
Again... now 64 days in and you expected immediate things to happen? Even my parents didn't give me my first bicycle on my first "try". I am more than willing to wait... we have close to 4 years left. For 8 years, the Conservatives had been "guilded". It may take a while for many of them to find their Cajones again.
Complaining for the past 6 years, majority in the House and Senate, yes I would expect more if I was a supporter.  He said repeal on day one actually.  Of course according to Trump he was quoted as saying "nobody knew that health care could be so complicated" which gives me great confidence in his intellectual abilities as he was the first to realize this I am sure.  Jobs, yes he is claiming for his own decisions that started a year or more ago.  The Trump administration and their Russian ties, it is going to be  one bumpy ride.  You should have said he is taking care of those that "make" millions instead.  Oh yes and that pipeline, once in operation 35 full time positions are needed which will be build by a Canadian company.  It is the weekend and Trump called off the vote, he had to catch a plane and go play a couple rounds of golf.  The blame game already started, he says somehow it was the Democrats fault for the Republicans inability to vote.  I would say I heard it all, but I know there will only be more.  Strike 3, next batter up! Or fore!

Now moving forward they need 60 Senate votes and control only 52 seats since they first were trying to roll this health care vote into a budget reconcilliation bill not subject to a filibuster in the Senate.  Moving forward it will not get any easier to get 60 votes controlling only 52 and TrumpCare is likely done for 2 years.  Good luck getting agreement on the next agenda - tax reform.

Now it will be up to Trump to save ObamaCare in the interim, LOL.


At least he is trying to take care of those Millions who foot the bill for the rest.... 64 days in and you expect...what? ??? Only God could do anything in 6 plus a day of rest. It ain't over ...Just the warm up... Looks like jobs are being created/maintained/brought back and the pipeline is going to be law on Monday. The Canadians are already doing their construction on it. Next will also be the taxation issue...ya gonna say no to that if it goes through??? Life goes on...

And...do we really want the Canadian style health system? Most Canadians are too young to remember it being any other way. Seems they have LOST half their Hospitals and wait times are much worse than ours... not to mention..those Canadians who positively need immediate care... guess where they go.... ??? ? The good old USA... and they are willing to pay. Some of them are more patient than others...but they might be called deceased. :o


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 25, 2017, 09:58:54 AM

....we have close to 4 years left. ...


....591 days, and 1,319 days....

....it just can not possibly get any sillier (http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx269/drgw/dumb-butt-democrat/Rofl_3i-1.gif) ....



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on March 25, 2017, 12:07:06 PM
Interestingly, Canada does rank slightly higher than the US in life expectancy....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on March 25, 2017, 12:34:50 PM

Again... you follow the path of lemmings when talking about those "6 years". There were many plans put together to change/repeal BUT..if you just said the rest of the story.... NO ONE on the DEM side would even allow any of them to even be brought up for discussion on the floor. Dem party heads just shut them down, being the Majority Party.

Well, if there were so many plans -- so many good plans -- why is the POS that failed this week the only replacement plan presented?

Quote
Again... now 64 days in and you expected immediate things to happen?
I do only because those involved clearly promised that these changes would be both amazing and immediate. They set that expectation themselves.

I suppose this gets us back to words not mattering, that just because someone promises something you can't expect to believe that they mean it. Politics as usual.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 25, 2017, 12:45:21 PM
Interestingly,

....there are 3.2 million  Canadians classified as living in poverty. 9% of the population.

45 million in the US, or 14.5 % , are classified as living in poverty.

Canadian average per heath care cost- $5,292.

US average per person health care cost- $9,403.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 25, 2017, 02:05:21 PM
Less than 50 jobs long term vs. the risk of a leak on questionable economics for very expensive Canadian crude, no thanks.  It will be like the Alaskan pipeline, lots of capacity due to lack of reasonably priced crude to extract.

Day 1 nothing, day 61 still nothing.  Obamacare repeal is expected now to be 2 plus years away at the earliest.  Wait till tax reform hits the wall as they now need democratic support as well.  His supporters have been suckered.


Again... you follow the path of lemmings when talking about those "6 years". There were many plans put together to change/repeal BUT..if you just said the rest of the story.... NO ONE on the DEM side would even allow any of them to even be brought up for discussion on the floor. Dem party heads just shut them down, being the Majority Party. I don't think this is over by a long shot...
And yes...AFTER the pipeline is finished..there may well be less than 50 people needed to maintain it BUT... there will be thousands needed to do the needed construction for years. Maybe you don't know or care much about CONSTRUCTION jobs but.... other than maintaining PA roads.... single jobs are not what you retire from. People working construction, work PROJECT lengths, not permanent PROJECTS. When done, they will have had up to 5 years towards their retirements and will hopefully have ANOTHER project to go to for even more time. In that 5 years... some will retire/pass and young workers will come up through the increased ranks and get some seniority under their belts.
I wonder how much you would smirk... if one of those, who were left to maintain the Pipeline, were one of your family members? Not so bad then...HUH?
Again... now 64 days in and you expected immediate things to happen? Even my parents didn't give me my first bicycle on my first "try". I am more than willing to wait... we have close to 4 years left. For 8 years, the Conservatives had been "guilded". It may take a while for many of them to find their Cajones again.
Complaining for the past 6 years, majority in the House and Senate, yes I would expect more if I was a supporter.  He said repeal on day one actually.  Of course according to Trump he was quoted as saying "nobody knew that health care could be so complicated" which gives me great confidence in his intellectual abilities as he was the first to realize this I am sure.  Jobs, yes he is claiming for his own decisions that started a year or more ago.  The Trump administration and their Russian ties, it is going to be  one bumpy ride.  You should have said he is taking care of those that "make" millions instead.  Oh yes and that pipeline, once in operation 35 full time positions are needed which will be build by a Canadian company.  It is the weekend and Trump called off the vote, he had to catch a plane and go play a couple rounds of golf.  The blame game already started, he says somehow it was the Democrats fault for the Republicans inability to vote.  I would say I heard it all, but I know there will only be more.  Strike 3, next batter up! Or fore!

Now moving forward they need 60 Senate votes and control only 52 seats since they first were trying to roll this health care vote into a budget reconcilliation bill not subject to a filibuster in the Senate.  Moving forward it will not get any easier to get 60 votes controlling only 52 and TrumpCare is likely done for 2 years.  Good luck getting agreement on the next agenda - tax reform.

Now it will be up to Trump to save ObamaCare in the interim, LOL.


At least he is trying to take care of those Millions who foot the bill for the rest.... 64 days in and you expect...what? ??? Only God could do anything in 6 plus a day of rest. It ain't over ...Just the warm up... Looks like jobs are being created/maintained/brought back and the pipeline is going to be law on Monday. The Canadians are already doing their construction on it. Next will also be the taxation issue...ya gonna say no to that if it goes through??? Life goes on...

And...do we really want the Canadian style health system? Most Canadians are too young to remember it being any other way. Seems they have LOST half their Hospitals and wait times are much worse than ours... not to mention..those Canadians who positively need immediate care... guess where they go.... ??? ? The good old USA... and they are willing to pay. Some of them are more patient than others...but they might be called deceased. :o


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on March 25, 2017, 02:22:58 PM
Where do you get your "PHACTS"? That oil was more dangerous being transported by truck and rail than by any PIPE. If anything... the protester have been trying to sabotage the pipe so... WHO poses the risk???

I will trust a pipe over rails and highway any day to deliver commodities like this.


Less than 50 jobs long term vs. the risk of a leak on questionable economics for very expensive Canadian crude, no thanks.  It will be like the Alaskan pipeline, lots of capacity due to lack of reasonably priced crude to extract.

Day 1 nothing, day 61 still nothing.  Obamacare repeal is expected now to be 2 plus years away at the earliest.  Wait till tax reform hits the wall as they now need democratic support as well.  His supporters have been suckered.


Again... you follow the path of lemmings when talking about those "6 years". There were many plans put together to change/repeal BUT..if you just said the rest of the story.... NO ONE on the DEM side would even allow any of them to even be brought up for discussion on the floor. Dem party heads just shut them down, being the Majority Party. I don't think this is over by a long shot...
And yes...AFTER the pipeline is finished..there may well be less than 50 people needed to maintain it BUT... there will be thousands needed to do the needed construction for years. Maybe you don't know or care much about CONSTRUCTION jobs but.... other than maintaining PA roads.... single jobs are not what you retire from. People working construction, work PROJECT lengths, not permanent PROJECTS. When done, they will have had up to 5 years towards their retirements and will hopefully have ANOTHER project to go to for even more time. In that 5 years... some will retire/pass and young workers will come up through the increased ranks and get some seniority under their belts.
I wonder how much you would smirk... if one of those, who were left to maintain the Pipeline, were one of your family members? Not so bad then...HUH?
Again... now 64 days in and you expected immediate things to happen? Even my parents didn't give me my first bicycle on my first "try". I am more than willing to wait... we have close to 4 years left. For 8 years, the Conservatives had been "guilded". It may take a while for many of them to find their Cajones again.
Complaining for the past 6 years, majority in the House and Senate, yes I would expect more if I was a supporter.  He said repeal on day one actually.  Of course according to Trump he was quoted as saying "nobody knew that health care could be so complicated" which gives me great confidence in his intellectual abilities as he was the first to realize this I am sure.  Jobs, yes he is claiming for his own decisions that started a year or more ago.  The Trump administration and their Russian ties, it is going to be  one bumpy ride.  You should have said he is taking care of those that "make" millions instead.  Oh yes and that pipeline, once in operation 35 full time positions are needed which will be build by a Canadian company.  It is the weekend and Trump called off the vote, he had to catch a plane and go play a couple rounds of golf.  The blame game already started, he says somehow it was the Democrats fault for the Republicans inability to vote.  I would say I heard it all, but I know there will only be more.  Strike 3, next batter up! Or fore!

Now moving forward they need 60 Senate votes and control only 52 seats since they first were trying to roll this health care vote into a budget reconcilliation bill not subject to a filibuster in the Senate.  Moving forward it will not get any easier to get 60 votes controlling only 52 and TrumpCare is likely done for 2 years.  Good luck getting agreement on the next agenda - tax reform.

Now it will be up to Trump to save ObamaCare in the interim, LOL.


At least he is trying to take care of those Millions who foot the bill for the rest.... 64 days in and you expect...what? ??? Only God could do anything in 6 plus a day of rest. It ain't over ...Just the warm up... Looks like jobs are being created/maintained/brought back and the pipeline is going to be law on Monday. The Canadians are already doing their construction on it. Next will also be the taxation issue...ya gonna say no to that if it goes through??? Life goes on...

And...do we really want the Canadian style health system? Most Canadians are too young to remember it being any other way. Seems they have LOST half their Hospitals and wait times are much worse than ours... not to mention..those Canadians who positively need immediate care... guess where they go.... ??? ? The good old USA... and they are willing to pay. Some of them are more patient than others...but they might be called deceased. :o


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on March 26, 2017, 03:22:11 AM
I will trust a pipe over rails and highway any day to deliver commodities like this.

both have their benefits, and flaws. Pipelines leach goo that consumes neighborhoods or just incinerate neighborhoods. But do to crashed railcars.

The significance of this pipeline is that it does zero to help U.S. energy, despite any such implications. The damn thing is just a pass-through to the gulf, bound for other countries.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on March 26, 2017, 10:13:49 AM
And where do you think the Alaskan Crude goes??? A lot goes to Japan. Our country has run on SWEET crude for over a century... Our factories stayed in it but when we rebuilt Germany and Japan...we set them up to use the oil WE didn't use so we could keep the sweet. Alaskan oil is mostly sold to other countries. Crud Crude is still not our cup of tea. We try to keep the natural gas from Fracking and sell the sand oil and less to others. It helps keep them out of the Sweet Crude market.... even if it is just a "pass through". One of the Defense Strategies the USA had put in place... to buy oil (when it was cheap) from other countries and keep our reserves standing...just in case. Now we find those "Peak Oil" buttholes were so very wrong. Hmmm like those "Global Cooling" scientists of the 70's. Wait!!!! Let me wet my finger again  ;) .

Again... I would be willing to bet that the "GOO" you talk about is not so prevalent today and it seems that the "tree huggers" make an over effort to puncture or open those pipes to cry foul on the use of pipelines to move oil, LNG, gasoline and anything they don't like. I trust pipes to bring Natural Gas and water into my home... very few issues if any, unless some dipstick digs and punctures them or they are so old they should have been dug up and replaced years ago. As a matter of fact... the Main water lines on my street and others is now being replaced. The gas lines were replaced 5 years ago just to upgrade. There is no where near the scrutiny that is afforded the big pipelines... Even here in PA they have people who's job it is to walk/ride the many miles of pipeline to check for damage and leaks... Even from a stray bullet from a hunter...

Guess we have to agree to disagree...


I will trust a pipe over rails and highway any day to deliver commodities like this.

both have their benefits, and flaws. Pipelines leach goo that consumes neighborhoods or just incinerate neighborhoods. But do to crashed railcars.

The significance of this pipeline is that it does zero to help U.S. energy, despite any such implications. The damn thing is just a pass-through to the gulf, bound for other countries.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 26, 2017, 11:08:53 AM
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 26, 2017, 09:12:25 PM
How about let's keep that expensive Canadian crude in the ground instead of crossing the US and shipping it out of Houston to foreign lands at no benefit to us.


 
Where do you get your "PHACTS"? That oil was more dangerous being transported by truck and rail than by any PIPE. If anything... the protester have been trying to sabotage the pipe so... WHO poses the risk???

I will trust a pipe over rails and highway any day to deliver commodities like this.


Less than 50 jobs long term vs. the risk of a leak on questionable economics for very expensive Canadian crude, no thanks.  It will be like the Alaskan pipeline, lots of capacity due to lack of reasonably priced crude to extract.

Day 1 nothing, day 61 still nothing.  Obamacare repeal is expected now to be 2 plus years away at the earliest.  Wait till tax reform hits the wall as they now need democratic support as well.  His supporters have been suckered.


Again... you follow the path of lemmings when talking about those "6 years". There were many plans put together to change/repeal BUT..if you just said the rest of the story.... NO ONE on the DEM side would even allow any of them to even be brought up for discussion on the floor. Dem party heads just shut them down, being the Majority Party. I don't think this is over by a long shot...
And yes...AFTER the pipeline is finished..there may well be less than 50 people needed to maintain it BUT... there will be thousands needed to do the needed construction for years. Maybe you don't know or care much about CONSTRUCTION jobs but.... other than maintaining PA roads.... single jobs are not what you retire from. People working construction, work PROJECT lengths, not permanent PROJECTS. When done, they will have had up to 5 years towards their retirements and will hopefully have ANOTHER project to go to for even more time. In that 5 years... some will retire/pass and young workers will come up through the increased ranks and get some seniority under their belts.
I wonder how much you would smirk... if one of those, who were left to maintain the Pipeline, were one of your family members? Not so bad then...HUH?
Again... now 64 days in and you expected immediate things to happen? Even my parents didn't give me my first bicycle on my first "try". I am more than willing to wait... we have close to 4 years left. For 8 years, the Conservatives had been "guilded". It may take a while for many of them to find their Cajones again.
Complaining for the past 6 years, majority in the House and Senate, yes I would expect more if I was a supporter.  He said repeal on day one actually.  Of course according to Trump he was quoted as saying "nobody knew that health care could be so complicated" which gives me great confidence in his intellectual abilities as he was the first to realize this I am sure.  Jobs, yes he is claiming for his own decisions that started a year or more ago.  The Trump administration and their Russian ties, it is going to be  one bumpy ride.  You should have said he is taking care of those that "make" millions instead.  Oh yes and that pipeline, once in operation 35 full time positions are needed which will be build by a Canadian company.  It is the weekend and Trump called off the vote, he had to catch a plane and go play a couple rounds of golf.  The blame game already started, he says somehow it was the Democrats fault for the Republicans inability to vote.  I would say I heard it all, but I know there will only be more.  Strike 3, next batter up! Or fore!

Now moving forward they need 60 Senate votes and control only 52 seats since they first were trying to roll this health care vote into a budget reconcilliation bill not subject to a filibuster in the Senate.  Moving forward it will not get any easier to get 60 votes controlling only 52 and TrumpCare is likely done for 2 years.  Good luck getting agreement on the next agenda - tax reform.

Now it will be up to Trump to save ObamaCare in the interim, LOL.


At least he is trying to take care of those Millions who foot the bill for the rest.... 64 days in and you expect...what? ??? Only God could do anything in 6 plus a day of rest. It ain't over ...Just the warm up... Looks like jobs are being created/maintained/brought back and the pipeline is going to be law on Monday. The Canadians are already doing their construction on it. Next will also be the taxation issue...ya gonna say no to that if it goes through??? Life goes on...

And...do we really want the Canadian style health system? Most Canadians are too young to remember it being any other way. Seems they have LOST half their Hospitals and wait times are much worse than ours... not to mention..those Canadians who positively need immediate care... guess where they go.... ??? ? The good old USA... and they are willing to pay. Some of them are more patient than others...but they might be called deceased. :o


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on March 27, 2017, 02:32:06 AM
How about let's keep that expensive Canadian crude in the ground instead of crossing the US and shipping it out of Houston to foreign lands at no benefit to us.
the best analogy i read once was that it's like the landlord expects you, without any benefit or compensation, to put up with wires from one neighbor to the other passing through your apartment's living room, all the while with the understanding that it may at any point short out and catch fire, incinerating your apartment.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on March 27, 2017, 02:58:20 AM
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.....the bunkum hyperbole speaks volumes.

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on March 27, 2017, 08:38:54 AM
This is what you want???

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/03/22/dakota-access-pipeline-sabotaged-in-two-states/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2017/03/22/dakota-access-pipeline-sabotaged-in-two-states/)

or some of this???

http://www.kztv10.com/story/34970447/dakota-access-pipeline-vandalism-highlights-sabotage-risks (http://www.kztv10.com/story/34970447/dakota-access-pipeline-vandalism-highlights-sabotage-risks)


"Some of the worst incidents in the U.S. were on the Trans Alaska Pipeline. Vandals blew up a section in 1978, spilling about 16,000 barrels of oil near Fairbanks. In 2001, a drunken man fired a hunting rifle into the pipeline near Livengood, causing more than 6,000 barrels to spray out.   

Some of the most notable incidents in Canada happened in the 1990s and 2000s in Alberta and British Columbia. A series of bombings in 2008-09 targeted pipelines in British Columbia. Weibo Ludwig, an Alberta man who crusaded against the extraction of "sour gas" containing high amounts of hydrogen sulfide, was convicted in several of the 1990s acts of vandalism. He was arrested but never charged in the later attacks."   



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 27, 2017, 10:21:30 AM
Another round of golf this weekend, his 13th I believe so far.  All the while he complained during the campaign of Obama's few times he golfed over the years.  Trump said he is making deals during his outings, the biggest deal of his new administration just went down in flames with many insiders saying Trump never took the time to actually understand the health care bill or have the ability to answer questions on it.

Sounds like a con man to me.
Optimism in the markets has been high with this new administration but can it last?  If the Dow closes lower today that will be 8 straight days, something that has not happened since 2011.  Wonder how optimistic people will remain if the market continues it' slide back to reality and we have an administration that can't seem to get things done despite having the majority.  Time will tell.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on March 27, 2017, 03:09:24 PM
Another round of golf this weekend, his 13th I believe so far.  All the while he complained during the campaign of Obama's few times he golfed over the years.  Trump said he is making deals during his outings...

Remember, Trump is a closer. (The C is silent.)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on March 27, 2017, 03:28:35 PM
Funny thing... I don't "smell smoke". I expect the thing you said went down in smoke... was set aside 'till later. More "discussion" is needed.

Markets are fickled and run buy those who want to sell of on a Friday. I remember the Dot Coms.... YAHOO...everyone made money...until the truth came out and they almost repeated 1929 when the fit hit the shan. I remember when the PEAK OIL was the law of the day. There was a guy who wanted to be the FIRST to pay $100 for a Barrel of crude...just to say he was the FIRST. The market is a slippery circus.

I will wait patiently....


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on March 27, 2017, 04:55:04 PM
The markets have been and always will be reactive. i certainly don't know what really drives it. I do know that with Trump sitting in OO they see him as "business friendly", but it's a double edged sword. All the H1B's that trickle across the border taking up US high tech job has kept the pay scale down. If he really does what he says he will do the businesses will revolt again him as soon as a company that has 1,000 outsourced IT jobs has to start paying millions more in payroll because they have to start hiring domestic workers. Those workers will suddenly come into high demand again raising the pay rate and ultimately the cost of goods.

Of course, we still graduate more lawyers then engineers from our educational institutions I believe.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on March 28, 2017, 03:26:22 AM
I've always scoffed at how the TV market analysts say on a given day that the market was down today because investors reacted (en masse) to the news about xxxx....

No, Bob sold some of his XYZ stock because his son's tuition check is due Tuesday. Kimberly sold some of her ABC stock to make the down payment on her new house. Jack cashed out some of his 401k shares to settle the divorce. Meanwhile, Terri invested in the market because her year-end bonus check arrived.

To say that the entire market activity on a given day was solely because everybody reacted the same way to a single piece of news is ignoring that people and institutions go in and out of the market for a million routine reasons every day.




Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on March 28, 2017, 07:45:53 AM
Quite honestly it's the lawyers that seem to screw things up for the rest of us . . . .


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on March 28, 2017, 08:19:33 AM
The market doesn't react much to private investors. I spent a few years working in trust custody managing the interface to the fed wire system. When you see entities buying/selling 250 mil in one transaction it gets your attention. The market notices too.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on March 28, 2017, 11:15:43 AM
Barbie Dolls ...again become the HOT TOY for Christmas...and suddenly Mattel gets a large hit on Stock bought (by many).... FICKLED!!!! Wet the finger daily... follow through.... Buy it up or...if it falls through...dump it quickly (by many).... Instant roller coaster.

I was taught a long time ago.... markets are a marathon,,, not a sprint. LONG TERM almost always works. Some people want their first Million in a year instead of several over say 10-20 years.

I am not a millionaire but I have been made comfortable at my "class" level.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on March 28, 2017, 12:42:26 PM
The market doesn't react much to private investors. I spent a few years working in trust custody managing the interface to the fed wire system. When you see entities buying/selling 250 mil in one transaction it gets your attention. The market notices too.
Yeah, i guess you're right. Though much of that trading is retirement investments, and the little people who own that money do withdraw from time to time oblivious to what that day's Durable Goods Orders report said. (Or even knowing what durable goods are.)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on March 28, 2017, 04:02:55 PM
Someone should clue Trump in that renewable energy employment exceeds that of coal now and building gas fired plants to replace coal requires US jobs as well.  Renewables and gas generation are the future due to economics and not regulation.   Companies will choose the cheaper option when given a choice and coal plants are shutting down because of it over cheap abundant natural gas that does not require barges and rail cars to transport.  My electric bill has gone down from 10 years ago in real dollars not even inflation adjusted due to the cost of electric as well as advancements in efficiencies like LED lighting, appliances etc., despite this supposed tighter regulations.  LED light bulbs started at $10 each now you can get them for $1.  Cars get way better gas mileage, have many more safety features yet the price did not increase as much as the naysayers had feared outside normal inflation.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/27/politics/trump-climate-change-executive-order/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/27/politics/trump-climate-change-executive-order/index.html)
But hey let's stop being innovative and solving these challenging problems and just keep digging up coal instead.



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on March 31, 2017, 09:22:07 AM
Throughout this coal debate, the talking heads have not talked about how hard life is for miners, generations of them especially in many harsh, mountainous areas due to geographic isolation. They have poor access to many services and it's a hard, hard way of life with little opportunity. Would love to see a way out for these people when coal is replaced with other energy sources. Just a pipe dream to help a struggling population.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on March 31, 2017, 02:15:03 PM
Don't forget, Trump is only talking about mining the mystical, magical "clean coal". Unlike regular coal, clean coal was formed ions ago from the decomposition of unicorns, not dinosaurs.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on March 31, 2017, 04:46:52 PM
I believe it's clean coal that's burning under Centralia.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on March 31, 2017, 05:04:45 PM
Astute observations, guys.  You know, genealogy tells me that I am a direct descendant of 4 immigrant coal miners. My ancestors happened to live in areas with easier access to other services, industries and just life in general, than those living in the hollers of Appalachia Have access today.
Many of them live in poverty. For that opportunity,I am thankful. It gave me a better quality of life.

 I wish the same for the descendants of today's miners.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on April 01, 2017, 02:18:03 PM
The miners are in a tough situation for sure with the changing energy market and small towns with little opportunity.  That being said I think all should be treated equal not just coal miners as millions others were hit with their company bankruptcies, job outsourcing overseas resulting is loss of benefits and retirement.  Does an agreement with coal companies in 1947 for the government to temporarily take over coal mines require them to pay medical and retiree benefits over 70 years later.  How about the steel mills, textile mills state employees who have questionable retirement funding with cash strapped states.  The list is never ending and the government really can't afford to please everyone unfortunately as the money has to come from somewhere.  Not sure there is a good, nor fair answer.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/nation/2017/04/01/Miners-seek-help-from-Congress-as-health-and-pension-benefits-expire/stories/201704010070 (http://www.post-gazette.com/news/nation/2017/04/01/Miners-seek-help-from-Congress-as-health-and-pension-benefits-expire/stories/201704010070)

Astute observations, guys.  You know, genealogy tells me that I am a direct descendant of 4 immigrant coal miners. My ancestors happened to live in areas with easier access to other services, industries and just life in general, than those living in the hollers of Appalachia Have access today.
Many of them live in poverty. For that opportunity,I am thankful. It gave me a better quality of life.

 I wish the same for the descendants of today's miners.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on April 01, 2017, 09:24:15 PM
Oh, I agree, and I didn't mean to sound discriminatory - I've just come realize that had my ancestors settled in, say, WVa instead of SW PA, my life might not have had as many opportunities. And I'm thankful for that.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on April 02, 2017, 02:13:30 AM
Nice effort to restart coal mining, but there's no market anymore thanks to cheaper alternatives, not because of federal regulations.

And even if Trump magically increases mining employment significantly, it's still only a tiny, tiny part of the U.S. workforce. There are more people working at Arby's and in the bowling industry.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/31/8-surprisingly-small-industries-that-employ-more-people-than-coal/?tid=sm_tw&tid=sm_tw&tid=sm_tw&tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.a99e847224a2 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/31/8-surprisingly-small-industries-that-employ-more-people-than-coal/?tid=sm_tw&tid=sm_tw&tid=sm_tw&tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.a99e847224a2)

The entire coal industry employs fewer people than Arby’s



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on April 02, 2017, 08:28:15 AM
There are a few ways that straight coal use can be adjusted... to make a gas from it or even a liquid which could be made clean enough for use in the future.

Also... why does everyone think our country is the only user of our coal...

read... https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=coal_imports (https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=coal_imports)



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_gasification (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_gasification)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_liquefactionhttp:// (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_liquefactionhttp://)


Our supply in the USA...

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Energy.html (http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Energy.html)



I know we see the miners as backwoods "hillbillies" who know nuthin' 'bout the flatlanders but... As with many industries, it offered good paid jobs ...even though it was dangerous work. I worked 5 years at "Generous Sharon Steel" and saw friends die... some by being burned to death, falls and even impalement....not to mention equipment mishaps. We worked for the pay and the benefits to our families and many retired and did live long past their 80s or more. We still have an appetite for steel and iron. and coke is used to make it. There is more to this than dust covered faces. Science is capable of making it cleaner and more usable. IMHO







Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on April 02, 2017, 04:58:57 PM
There's actually huge market in China as they are turning up multiple coal fired power plants per month and many on bituminous coal. The government there has a cease and desist order but the locals are still building them. China is also the largest producer and consumer of coal in the world.  They'll be exporting their smog pretty soon too. Thing change and just become unsustainable. I can't say if coal is there yet, but it will be soon enough. Solar is in fact economically feasible in the sunny climates, but it's not a universal solution either. So for now we'll plod along with what we have until something comes along that puts it out to pasture permanently. When that happens I hope the coal region is prepared for it because they'll be back to 1900 living standards faster than they think.



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on April 02, 2017, 05:36:53 PM
Hmmmm... please read "America is the Saudi Arabia of coal"

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Energy.html (http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Energy.html)

Yes... China uses more coal than anyone but ..... In fact...check the Whole site if you would.





There's actually huge market in China as they are turning up multiple coal fired power plants per month and many on bituminous coal. The government there has a cease and desist order but the locals are still building them. China is also the largest producer and consumer of coal in the world.  They'll be exporting their smog pretty soon too. Thing change and just become unsustainable. I can't say if coal is there yet, but it will be soon enough. Solar is in fact economically feasible in the sunny climates, but it's not a universal solution either. So for now we'll plod along with what we have until something comes along that puts it out to pasture permanently. When that happens I hope the coal region is prepared for it because they'll be back to 1900 living standards faster than they think.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: bighair80s on April 02, 2017, 05:49:22 PM
"I'm college-educated, played baseball for West Virginia University and graduated with a degree in criminal justice. I chose this lifestyle because it pays well, I can live by the rest of my family and friends (and) do a job I am very proud of."


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/where-coal-is-still-king/article/2615107 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/where-coal-is-still-king/article/2615107)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: bighair80s on April 02, 2017, 06:11:12 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^
 l l l l l l l l l l l l l l

"But imagine, for a moment, if 30 percent of the people living in Washington, Manhattan or Silicon Valley lost their jobs.

Imagine those people being told their jobs are never coming back. That it's time to move away from family, friends, their way of life and all the rich culture they love about their cities.

No more trips to world-class museums, libraries, Broadway or Kennedy Center performances.

Those lazy Sunday brunches while reading the New York Times or the Washington Post? Gone, a thing of the past, because both newspapers will be closing.

Oh, and one more thing: Imagine those folks watching their cities crumble, their schools close, houses being abandoned in their neighborhoods — and then becoming the butt of every Hollywood entertainer's joke, or being publicly shamed by Meryl Streep.

Congratulations! You now know how 70 percent of the people in this Pennsylvania county feel, along with many more in the 2,625 other counties that Trump won nationally on Election Day."





Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on April 03, 2017, 01:33:13 AM
One of many references that suggest China's coal imports are dropping, and it's too expensive to send them our coal, anyway:

http://www.sightline.org/2016/01/12/five-key-facts-about-collapsing-coal-exports/ (http://www.sightline.org/2016/01/12/five-key-facts-about-collapsing-coal-exports/)

"Five Key Facts about Collapsing Coal Exports
The reality: China is using less coal, and US coal exports just can't compete."


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on April 03, 2017, 10:38:48 AM
Or we could push for solar and wind that once installed provide very cheap energy for decades without the need to dig up, transport or pollute anymore.  The rest of the world is doing it, if we don't we will be left behind with the more expensive choice and that long term does not help jobs.

There are a few ways that straight coal use can be adjusted... to make a gas from it or even a liquid which could be made clean enough for use in the future.

Also... why does everyone think our country is the only user of our coal...

read... [url]https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=coal_imports[/url] ([url]https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=coal_imports[/url])



[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_gasification[/url] ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_gasification[/url])

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_liquefactionhttp://[/url] ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_liquefactionhttp://[/url])


Our supply in the USA...

[url]http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Energy.html[/url] ([url]http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Energy.html[/url])



I know we see the miners as backwoods "hillbillies" who know nuthin' 'bout the flatlanders but... As with many industries, it offered good paid jobs ...even though it was dangerous work. I worked 5 years at "Generous Sharon Steel" and saw friends die... some by being burned to death, falls and even impalement....not to mention equipment mishaps. We worked for the pay and the benefits to our families and many retired and did live long past their 80s or more. We still have an appetite for steel and iron. and coke is used to make it. There is more to this than dust covered faces. Science is capable of making it cleaner and more usable. IMHO


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Amidala on April 03, 2017, 12:39:22 PM
Hard times all around. This is easily Crawford County, PA, too. : 


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/02/us/politics/trump-housing-budget-cuts.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/02/us/politics/trump-housing-budget-cuts.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur)



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on April 03, 2017, 12:58:37 PM
Trump claimed lots of jobs that are really not his as the process in many cases started well before his Presidency, wonder if he will take the credit for US jobs lost as Mexico branches out to the rest of the world with all his threats.   Free trade currently supports millions of US jobs.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/03/news/economy/mexico-pivots-eu-trade-talks/index.html?iid=hp-toplead-dom (http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/03/news/economy/mexico-pivots-eu-trade-talks/index.html?iid=hp-toplead-dom)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on April 04, 2017, 11:32:43 AM
Re:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3951/33688316941_24ce664191_c.jpg)

For readers interested a balanced, intellectually honest examination of the documented facts in order to evaluate current events, “One of many references that suggest China's coal imports ...” is written by Clark Williams-Derry,  a documented liberal environmental activist, and the article is  posted on the Sightline Institute’s web page. From the Sightline Institute. web page:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2806/33688268861_108f08db56_c.jpg)

Of note, the erroneous fabricated conclusion “ it's too expensive to send them our coal, anyway is not even addressed in Williams-Derry’s one-sided, self-serving biased article arguing against coal shipments to China.

The factual reality is, while indeed it is costly to ship coal to China, the Chinese are more than willing to pay the price, particularly in light of ongoing current geo-political developments which are notably conveniently overlooked and ignored by those cherry picking ‘publications’ “suggest”ing support for their self-entitled, visceral politically motivated delusional perspectives

Contrary to William-Derry’s dated and inaccurate conclusion China is using less coal as evidenced by his observation “Chinese customs data shows that imports last November were down more than 50 percent from January 2014., as the well-informed and well read forum administrator Nightmarepatrol  correctly posts above- “ There's actually huge market in China as they are turning up multiple coal fired power plants per month”.

Factually, Chinese imports of coal where indeed down 50% in November of 2014. Such is understandable to informed readers. The standard Chinese practice, just as it is in Europe and elsewhere were they depend on coal imports, is to stock pile supplies of available coal in preparation for the higher demand winter months, and then reinitiate shipments of coal those higher-demand stockpiled winter supplies  begin to be consumed.

Contrary to liberal, anti-coal, environmental activist William-berry’s biased dated January 2016 self-serving alleged argument China  is using less coal, CBS’ 60 Minutes recently cited the November 2016 Bloomberg New Energy Finance analysis concluding China, “ will build a new coal power plant every week until at least 2020..

Bloomberg analysis concludes “ Of the 2,400 coal-fired power plants under construction or being planned around the world, 1,171 will be built in China. This rapid growth of coal power means that, mathematically, Chinese carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions are unlikely to stop rising. Such a rapid rise in Chinese CO2 emissions will more than cancel out the rest of the world’s CO2 cuts. At the same time, China is slashing its investment in wind and solar power.”.

One can certainly begin to appreciate the self-serving, biased motivation fueling environmental activist William-Berry’s “reporting” on the environmental activist Sightline Institute’s web page regarding exporting coal to China.

“...it's too expensive to send them our coal, anyway” certainly “ suggest[/][/][/][/]s” it is indeed too costly to ship coal to China, or anywhere else in the Pacific Rim.

Shown below are the locations of the current west coast coal oceanic Pacific Rim trans-shipment facilities shipping well over 10 million metric tons of coal to China annually, in addition to  US coal shipments South Korea, Japan, India and a host of other coal-hungry Pacific nations:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3849/33688337321_2a15e68ae4_c.jpg)

At least six more west coast coal transshipment facilities are in the planning stages, and of course are being protested, attacked by the liberal environmental movement. Readers are free to conclude  “...it's too expensive to send them our coal, anyway”.


Self-serving environmental activist Williams-Berry “reports” :

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2829/33688327461_3d07aaacfd_c.jpg)

Numerous valid sources report US coal’s completion in Asia is-

....the Democratic Peoples’ Republic of Korea

(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/korea-625826.jpg)


While it is certainly understandable US coal is at a financial disadvantage competing with North Korean coal to its immediately adjacent southern coal-needy neighbor,

....of note, self-serving environmental activist Williams-Berry telling ignorantly “reports”:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3839/33004559603_e36a331f04_c.jpg)


....just a hunch-

....Williams-Berry’s symbolic a-couple-sizes-too small-pussy hat was pulled down over his likely otherwise CNN loving eyes limiting his self-serving vision:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2909/32974602614_aae62c875a_c.jpg)

Of course, reader’s are free to conclude the US is indeed needlessly “shipping coal to New Castle” and “...it's too expensive to send them our coal, anyway”.
[/]


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on April 04, 2017, 04:18:27 PM
The map above failed to show the closest US location to China, which is Alaska. However coal and shipping companies  face a monsterous hurdle to shipping coal from Alaska. It's called the Jones Act, though it's officially called the Merchant marine act of 1920  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_Marine_Act_of_1920) which  limits shipping between US ports to ships that are built in the US, and crewed by at least 75% US citizens. That means sipping coal from Alaska to a port in the lower 48 would cost at least twice as much as shipping coal an equivalent distance outside the US. This is going on the assumption that you could find a ship and crew that actually meets these requirements.

There's a lot of similar stuff on the books like this as well. So BOHICA.  :shakeass:



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on April 04, 2017, 10:46:12 PM
You seemed to have left out more recent articles where China is investing $361 billion and creating 13 million jobs over the next 5 years in renewable energy and they have recently invested twice as much as the US in the sector.  That is a huge investment despite cost decreases in solar and wind due to technology advancements.  A tad bit different than your claim China is cutting back and of course when prices drop 40% you can spend much less and get just as much.

http://www.iflscience.com/environment/china-announces-massive-investment-into-renewable-energy/ (http://www.iflscience.com/environment/china-announces-massive-investment-into-renewable-energy/)

"In 2015 China’s coal use has fallen in 2015 across a wide range of measures and  its national carbon emissions are likely to have fallen by about 3% as a  result. There was a 3.5% drop in coal production, coal-fired  electricity generation fell 2.8% and overall power generation dropped  0.2%, the first fall in 50 years.

And  you could use more recent data that accounts for the huge increase in  coal plants put on hold that were under construction.  Last year coal plants under construction fell by 2/3rds, China halting 100 plants alone.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/22/coal-power-plants-green-energy-china-india (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/22/coal-power-plants-green-energy-china-india)
[/]


But yeah it is expected some details were left out as it does not fit your agenda.




Re:
([url]https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3951/33688316941_24ce664191_c.jpg[/url])

For readers interested a balanced, intellectually honest examination of the documented facts in order to evaluate current events, “One of many references that suggest China's coal imports ...” is written by Clark Williams-Derry,  a documented liberal environmental activist, and the article is  posted on the Sightline Institute’s web page. From the Sightline Institute. web page:

([url]https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2806/33688268861_108f08db56_c.jpg[/url])

Of note, the erroneous fabricated conclusion “ it's too expensive to send them our coal, anyway is not even addressed in Williams-Derry’s one-sided, self-serving biased article arguing against coal shipments to China.

The factual reality is, while indeed it is costly to ship coal to China, the Chinese are more than willing to pay the price, particularly in light of ongoing current geo-political developments which are notably conveniently overlooked and ignored by those cherry picking ‘publications’ “suggest”ing support for their self-entitled, visceral politically motivated delusional perspectives

Contrary to William-Derry’s dated and inaccurate conclusion China is using less coal as evidenced by his observation “Chinese customs data shows that imports last November were down more than 50 percent from January 2014., as the well-informed and well read forum administrator Nightmarepatrol  correctly posts above- “ There's actually huge market in China as they are turning up multiple coal fired power plants per month”.

Factually, Chinese imports of coal where indeed down 50% in November of 2014. Such is understandable to informed readers. The standard Chinese practice, just as it is in Europe and elsewhere were they depend on coal imports, is to stock pile supplies of available coal in preparation for the higher demand winter months, and then reinitiate shipments of coal those higher-demand stockpiled winter supplies  begin to be consumed.

Contrary to liberal, anti-coal, environmental activist William-berry’s biased dated January 2016 self-serving alleged argument China  is using less coal, CBS’ 60 Minutes recently cited the November 2016 Bloomberg New Energy Finance analysis concluding China, “ will build a new coal power plant every week until at least 2020..

Bloomberg analysis concludes “ Of the 2,400 coal-fired power plants under construction or being planned around the world, 1,171 will be built in China. This rapid growth of coal power means that, mathematically, Chinese carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions are unlikely to stop rising. Such a rapid rise in Chinese CO2 emissions will more than cancel out the rest of the world’s CO2 cuts. At the same time, China is slashing its investment in wind and solar power.”.

And you could use more recent data that accounts for the huge increase in coal plants put on hold that were under construction.  Last year coal plants under construction fell by 2/3rds, China halting 100 plants alone.

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/22/coal-power-plants-green-energy-china-india[/url] ([url]https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/22/coal-power-plants-green-energy-china-india[/url])

One can certainly begin to appreciate the self-serving, biased motivation fueling environmental activist William-Berry’s “reporting” on the environmental activist Sightline Institute’s web page regarding exporting coal to China.

“...it's too expensive to send them our coal, anyway” certainly “ suggest[/][/][/][/][/]s” it is indeed too costly to ship coal to China, or anywhere else in the Pacific Rim.

Shown below are the locations of the current west coast coal oceanic Pacific Rim trans-shipment facilities shipping well over 10 million metric tons of coal to China annually, in addition to  US coal shipments South Korea, Japan, India and a host of other coal-hungry Pacific nations:

([url]https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3849/33688337321_2a15e68ae4_c.jpg[/url])

At least six more west coast coal transshipment facilities are in the planning stages, and of course are being protested, attacked by the liberal environmental movement. Readers are free to conclude  “...it's too expensive to send them our coal, anyway”.


Self-serving environmental activist Williams-Berry “reports” :

([url]https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2829/33688327461_3d07aaacfd_c.jpg[/url])

Numerous valid sources report US coal’s completion in Asia is-

....the Democratic Peoples’ Republic of Korea

([url]http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/korea-625826.jpg[/url])


While it is certainly understandable US coal is at a financial disadvantage competing with North Korean coal to its immediately adjacent southern coal-needy neighbor,

....of note, self-serving environmental activist Williams-Berry telling ignorantly “reports”:

([url]https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3839/33004559603_e36a331f04_c.jpg[/url])


....just a hunch-

....Williams-Berry’s symbolic a-couple-sizes-too small-pussy hat was pulled down over his likely otherwise CNN loving eyes limiting his self-serving vision:

([url]https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2909/32974602614_aae62c875a_c.jpg[/url])

Of course, reader’s are free to conclude the US is indeed needlessly “shipping coal to New Castle” and “...it's too expensive to send them our coal, anyway”.
[/]


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on April 05, 2017, 12:00:55 PM
Wow, that is one enlightening quote from the World Coal association rep, yes it still will be key considering it makes up 50% of China's energy mix now.  It is pretty obvious to most that coal still needs to be a part of the energy mix in the future here and in China.  It will not happen overnight but a $300B+ investment over the next 5 years and recently doubling the US investment says China is serious.  Hugging a tree is much better than swimming in orange coal mine acid drainage.  Once you see that running into a river you just shake your head.

Re:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3840/33700795502_3c4d5d5a23_c.jpg)

Informative and enlightening Guardian article.

Thanx for sharing.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2918/33700807862_032414f6d4_c.jpg)

Tho,  no surprise the tree hugger slant totally glaringly ignores the current reality of geo-politics with the sudden crippling shortage of the millions of tons on kimchee-scented coal.

 (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2834/33043674233_d7bce447b9_c.jpg)
아니, 너를 사랑해. 너 내가 좋아하는 공산주의 삼촌.

내 모든 석탄을 아주 좋은 가격에 팔겠다.

제발, 석탄을 구입하여 발전소에 연료를 공급하십시오.

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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on April 05, 2017, 04:48:15 PM
Glad to see it is OK for Trump to allow coal companies to sell their coal at a lower price to affiliates and reduce their royalty payment for their leased land then sell it at a higher price to foreigners.  That only makes sense possibly to you and Trump.  Then again Trump just said O'Reilly did not wrong as well so you can understand his state of mind.


  ....Tump discriminating against foreigners again:

[url]http://www.denverpost.com/2017/04/04/interior-department-repeals-obama-era-coal-royalties/[/url] ([url]http://www.denverpost.com/2017/04/04/interior-department-repeals-obama-era-coal-royalties/[/url])

....the racist bigot that he is. :D   


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on April 05, 2017, 07:08:36 PM
Re:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2816/33707686282_d445e5c2ac_c.jpg)

....just when one could be thinking it just can’t possibly get any sillier-

....a non-related, rambling, disjointed Trump/coal/O’Reilly-laden baiting, obfuscated pejorative personal attack in response to a posting reporting on H-1B visas for foreign workers in relation to the dire shortage of qualified and educated US citizen STEM workers, then-

....ending with some disillusioned amateur fallacious fabrications on Trump’s mental condition endeavoring to explain how anyone elsecan understand it all.....

....got to appreciate that irony.  :D

But, it is a free country, and I remain humbly honored to have spent a military career defending and supporting the constitutional right to freedom of speech of those deluded into believing they are making even a hint of intellectual sense to somebody besides their confused and disoriented selves.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on April 05, 2017, 08:40:23 PM
I missed the part where your link talks about H-1 visas and a shortage of workers when the topic of your link was coal.  But then again.....

Re:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2816/33707686282_d445e5c2ac_c.jpg)

....just when one could be thinking it just can’t possibly get any sillier-

....a non-related, rambling, disjointed Trump/coal/O’Reilly-laden baiting, obfuscated pejorative personal attack in response to a posting reporting on H-1B visas for foreign workers in relation to the dire shortage of qualified and educated US citizen STEM workers, then-

....ending with some disillusioned amateur fallacious fabrications on Trump’s mental condition endeavoring to explain how anyone elsecan understand it all.....

....got to appreciate that irony.  :D

But, it is a free country, and I remain humbly honored to have spent a military career defending and supporting the constitutional right to freedom of speech of those deluded into believing they are making even a hint of intellectual sense to somebody besides their confused and disoriented selves.



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on April 05, 2017, 08:46:21 PM
The funniest quote I read today was Trump should not get a chance to nominate a Supreme Court justice in his last year of his presidency....


 I do see impeachment proceedings starting in the future.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on April 06, 2017, 12:03:34 AM
....I see sour grape losers in denial who also saw Secretary Clinton being inevitably sworn in as the 45th president of the US following a historic sweeping landslide election victory :D


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on April 06, 2017, 02:45:34 AM
The funniest quote I read today was Trump should not get a chance to nominate a Supreme Court justice in his last year of his presidency....

Hard to understand why he even bothered, what with all judges being crooked foreigners anyway.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on April 06, 2017, 09:29:18 AM
And the companies making decisions on the future of coal are sticking to the economics so it really does not matter.
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-trump-declares-end-to-war-on-coal-but-utilities-arent-listening-2017-4 (http://www.businessinsider.com/r-trump-declares-end-to-war-on-coal-but-utilities-arent-listening-2017-4)
“...another sign the Trump administration has stopped what it saw as a “war on coal” by the federal government...”-

[url]http://www.denverpost.com/2017/04/04/interior-department-repeals-obama-era-coal-royalties/[/url] ([url]http://www.denverpost.com/2017/04/04/interior-department-repeals-obama-era-coal-royalties/[/url])....




Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on April 06, 2017, 09:32:58 AM
If you listen to Fox news renewable energy is in a death spiral with a 23% drop in spending in 2016.  When you look at the reality of it capacity installed actually increased 8% last year and much lower costs allowed more to be installed with less investment.  How you can spin the news any way you want and Fox does that a lot.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/world-investment-green-power-down-money-went-further-130537082.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/world-investment-green-power-down-money-went-further-130537082.html)

"Wind and solar energy have arrived at costs that would have seemed inconceivably low a few years ago," Moslener said.
Investment in new renewables capacity, which avoids emitting carbon dioxide when being operated, was roughly double that in fossil fuel generation, he also noted.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on April 06, 2017, 09:57:49 AM
Re:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2905/33874916825_8304fce0cd_c.jpg)

....” all judges being crooked foreigners....”

Imagine that.

‘splains a lot.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on April 06, 2017, 01:23:21 PM
Yes no direct power from solar when the sun goes down, unless you are following the growing trend with energy storage that accounts for a night without sun.  More and more are getting into it and costs have gone down dramatically.  Long way to go but in 20 years this world will look a lot different even with coal and gas a part of it still.  Coal on it's way out, short term replaced by cheaper gas, long term renewables.  You may not be around to see the dramic shift but it clearly will happen and is driven by the economics of it.  You can't expect them to shut down every coal plant overnight when they have 30 plus years of life, but in the last 5 years you saw a dramatic shift away from coal already in the US.  More than half the global investment is in renewables now, not fossil fuel.  You do the math over the next few decades.  By 2021 28% is projected to be renewable globally.  Way more jobs as well in renewables now than coal in the US.  Sit back and watch it grow and bring good jobs with it.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/oct/25/renewables-made-up-half-of-net-electricity-capacity-added-last-year (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/oct/25/renewables-made-up-half-of-net-electricity-capacity-added-last-year)



Re:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2830/33718787282_d40b925d0d_c.jpg)

An enlightening read, particularly for the usually hack YAHOO “news’ feed service.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2830/33490814290_6dc1226a3e_k.jpg)

...still, of course-

....when the sun goes down, and the wind stops blowing-

....the power grid, and the life as the entire world knows it-

....depends and survives on-

....survives on coal/gas/nuclear.
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Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on April 06, 2017, 01:39:52 PM
It's not ognna be government that drives it. It'll be the market.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on April 06, 2017, 02:51:16 PM
Another company setting an example and the economics of it make perfect sense.  Why not when you can get it this cheap vs. the alternative.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/04/01/the-king-of-beers-joins-the-renewable-energy-bandw.aspx (https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/04/01/the-king-of-beers-joins-the-renewable-energy-bandw.aspx)

The Mexico announcement is interesting because the country held two renewable energy auctions in 2016 that got very favorable terms. A year ago, bids were announced at 5.07 cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh) of electricity and by October bids averaged 3.35 cents per kWh for clean energy. This compares to average retail electricity prices of about 12 cents per kWh, so renewable energy is very economical for big companies.

It's not ognna be government that drives it. It'll be the market.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on April 07, 2017, 09:29:36 PM
A slight oversight I am sure.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/07/kushner-omitted-meeting-with-russians-on-security-clearance-forms.html (http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/07/kushner-omitted-meeting-with-russians-on-security-clearance-forms.html)

Nepotism at it's best, how pathetic.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on April 08, 2017, 04:06:40 AM
Well, if Trump took credit for Jan and Feb when it was around 250,000 each, he surely owns March:

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/07/march-nonfarm-payrolls.html (http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/07/march-nonfarm-payrolls.html)

US created only 98,000 jobs in March, vs 180,000 expected


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on April 08, 2017, 07:16:41 AM
Ok... let's do this.... Instead of..."Well the previous administration started it under their watch so they should get the credit...." Why don't we follow the rule...


"IF IT HAPPENS UNDER THE PRESENT ADMINISTRATION...good or bad... IT IS THEIRS TO CLAIM/OWN."  But, as always, we give the good to the previous and the bad to the present. We parse this shit all the time and all it does is...hmmmmm NOTHING!!!!

Ok lets give the drop in jobs to Trump... even though lower... some say due to WEATHER and businesses going bankrupt... it is still...to the PLUS. And... the national unemployment number is what... 4.5%...lowest in what.... a decade??? Well we all know the U-3 is the official unemployment rate and the U-6 is a broader calculation but we only hear of the rates maybe 4-7%. The later seems to be the one used to do general rating and lower the number ...the better it is...in all the calculations..so here goes...

https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-the-real-unemployment-rate-3306198 (https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-the-real-unemployment-rate-3306198)

No mater how you look at it, this... seems the Trump Admin has started the growth back again... from  Obama's start at say 54% down to 49% average of U-3/U-6. So...who takes "credit" for that??? And... it this accurate/ or do we argue about that as well? Tiring at best... frustrating at the worst.. >:(




Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on April 13, 2017, 04:54:36 AM
  Re:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3951/33688316941_24ce664191_c.jpg)
 
….imagine that-
 
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2835/33165714724_f339c022b9_h.jpg) 


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on April 13, 2017, 09:14:20 AM
The average price of coal exports per ton was $67 recently so that would equate to $26 million in exports to China.  In the most recent EIA report the US consumed 223 million short tons in Q3, 2016 so this equates to 0.18% of Q3 US consumption, although more, not exactly moving the needle.  To put that in perspective we imported $482 BILLION in Chinese goods in 2016 alone which is around $1500 for every man, women and child living in the US every single year.

https://www.eia.gov/coal/production/quarterly/ (https://www.eia.gov/coal/production/quarterly/)


  Re:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3951/33688316941_24ce664191_c.jpg)
 
….imagine that-
 
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2835/33165714724_f339c022b9_h.jpg) 


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on May 13, 2017, 12:32:57 AM
Navy should return to 'goddamn steam' on Carrier.   (https://www.navytimes.com/articles/trump-says-navy-should-ditch-carrier-emals)
To borrow a phrase: it just can't get any sillier.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on May 13, 2017, 09:49:36 AM
The polarization is just getting worse an will continue to get worse. This will all happen before it gets really bad. While social media can be a lot of fun and informative , the number of bully pulpits is growing in both camps and apparently so is the number of parrots.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on May 13, 2017, 12:06:25 PM
Agreed.

Although - these words keep coming out of his mouth. My own thought is that people elect their idea of someone, then that someone starts doing their thing and shit gets real - like the example I posted above. Thing is though - any number of politicians could say equally inane things, it's just that they don't make it to print. 

I'm beginning to think the prospect of President Pence is more likely every day. I Googled betting odds of this, and one betting house in Ireland has the odds at 4/6 it'll happen. (Not that I put much stock in Irish betting houses.)

The idea of Pence as President bugs me even more though. He has a record . . . and in terms of exercising personal freedoms - it ain't good . . . .   


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on May 13, 2017, 07:17:46 PM
I didn't like the options much last November. I have a feeling 2020 is going to be one of the most entertaining (yet frightening) elections we may ever see.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on May 26, 2017, 02:11:14 PM
You know when Fox News has low poll numbers for a Republican they are actually really really low.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-mike-pence-approval-133559819.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-mike-pence-approval-133559819.html)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on June 02, 2017, 07:39:52 PM
I hope the prez gets off his butt an appoints people to run FEMA and NOAA. These two seats are not currently filled and hurricane season started yesterday.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on June 03, 2017, 08:52:17 AM
I hope he was kept informed from a contingent sent to Hanoi (During the visit to DC of Vietnam Prime Minister)... on the talks of our POW-MIAs. All I have heard much about was the $$$$ in contracts we are signing with Vietnam. Families still wait for closure almost 60 years later... I will be going to New Orleans in the near future to meet with the interim head of DPAA (Defense POW-MIA Accounting Agency) to discuss the issue. Hoping to get some answers... but will NOT hold my breath.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on June 03, 2017, 05:35:56 PM
We seem to have a lot of interim heads of a lot of departments and agencies at the moment. Those slots should have been filled by now.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on June 04, 2017, 01:56:04 PM
Maybe they have to finish all the team challenges before he announces from his boardroom table which ones get hired.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on June 05, 2017, 07:42:23 AM
We seem to have a lot of interim heads of a lot of departments and agencies at the moment. Those slots should have been filled by now.

The DPAA was formed out of the lackluster merge of the DPMO and JPAC... We thought one agency was enough. It was headed by Gen. Linnington and he even said he would stay in place for at least 10 years... Along came the BANE of good Veteran Service entities... The Wounded Warrior Project and their downfall over a year ago and they offered Linnington a better paying position so... about 1 year in, he baled. So goes the 10 year plan. Since then... the position has remained open. So...the slot WAS filled but.. $$$$ talks and Bullshit walks. I have followed this Cluster F_ck evolve for decades... not just under Trump. Loyalties are out the window when King Cash is laid out. It seems all they want is money and no HEAD ACHES... This could be the reason so many go unfilled permanently as are the POLITICAL reasons.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Janetplanet on June 05, 2017, 10:50:24 AM
Watched the news this morning and saw the President calling the mayor of London "pathetic".  This is very helpful politically and morally.  Very sad.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: NightmarePatrol on June 05, 2017, 04:19:54 PM
Decorum is not his strong suit for sure.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Jayhawk on June 06, 2017, 12:26:36 PM
Class. Class all the way.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on June 21, 2017, 03:35:22 PM
Do you see a trend?
GA-06 margins over the last 15 years:
2002:  R+59
2004: R unopposed
2006: R +45
2008: R +37
2010: R unopposed
2012: R +29
2014: R +33
2016: R +23
2017: R +4
College  and post college educated as well as younger moving toward Democrats, less educated / no college moving toward Republicans as well.  Clearly that explains why some still believe in Trump and his never ending lies......
http://www.people-press.org/2016/09/13/2-party-affiliation-among-voters-1992-2016/ (http://www.people-press.org/2016/09/13/2-party-affiliation-among-voters-1992-2016/)
Also explains why you only have a bunch of older white men sitting around making decisions in the Trump administration, or at least executive orders since they really can't get anything to pass of substance otherwise.


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on June 22, 2017, 11:22:24 AM
'Splain me dis Batman.... Why is it that in the demographic area I reside in.... almost EVERYONE who is on public assistance or a hand out program, shows up to vote DEM in most elections but especially the presidential?? Does that mean those who are in this category are...in your words..." College and post college educated as well as younger moving toward Democrats..." and THEY are the ones who demand the HANDOUTS?

And one thing I remember from my "60s" days...other than being drafted and working for a living, was the old saying..."ASS...GRASS...or GAS...nobody rides for free." Those OLD WHITE GUYS have went to college and/or OWN one...or they built corporations that employ those willing to WORK. I agree...not all are perfect but... without them... we may be in worse shape than we are now. Math teaches you that 20 workers do not, in themselves, make enough to take care of 200,000 dependents. (Just a word/number example but...)  Our population is about 320 million. As of 2012 (God knows what it is NOW) 109,631,000 were on welfare. The whole story is eye opening comparing those receiving funds here to the total population of...RUSSIA?

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/terence-p-jeffrey/354-percent-109631000-welfare (http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/terence-p-jeffrey/354-percent-109631000-welfare)

My question would be, how many of those you deem Dems, are destined to be on welfare as well?

"I want my Student Loans paid for by the Government." or..."I want "FREE" College."  ::)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on June 22, 2017, 02:37:28 PM
51% those quoted in your numbers on welfare are children who cannot work and if only one in the household receives benefits everyone in the house is considered to fall in the welfare category.  This list also includes 5% senior citizens over 65 and 28% of those on medicaid between the ages of 28 to 64 on this list actually work full time.  Stating this big number though brings fear in those that want to have fear and do not want to look into it any further. 

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jan/28/terry-jeffrey/are-there-more-welfare-recipients-us-full-time-wor/ (http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jan/28/terry-jeffrey/are-there-more-welfare-recipients-us-full-time-wor/)
College education expands one's horizons and brings more tolerance in my opinion as they more often work side by side with people outside their demographic vs. never leaving one's rural homestead and only hanging out with like minded individuals.  In many cases a college education forces many to move toward bigger cities and towns that have the job oppotunities they were trained for.  Often left behind in these rural areas are those that do not have this education.   And these larger cities and metropolitan areas vote more for Democrats than Republicans. Certainly it is not 100% but that is the trend.
And another perspective on welfare vs. party line:
https://trofire.com/2016/01/12/welfare-hypocrisy-red-states-are-the-real-freeloaders/ (https://trofire.com/2016/01/12/welfare-hypocrisy-red-states-are-the-real-freeloaders/)


From what I have seen from Trump he believes in welfare as well, welfare for the rich...........

'Splain me dis Batman.... Why is it that in the demographic area I reside in.... almost EVERYONE who is on public assistance or a hand out program, shows up to vote DEM in most elections but especially the presidential?? Does that mean those who are in this category are...in your words..." College and post college educated as well as younger moving toward Democrats..." and THEY are the ones who demand the HANDOUTS?

And one thing I remember from my "60s" days...other than being drafted and working for a living, was the old saying..."ASS...GRASS...or GAS...nobody rides for free." Those OLD WHITE GUYS have went to college and/or OWN one...or they built corporations that employ those willing to WORK. I agree...not all are perfect but... without them... we may be in worse shape than we are now. Math teaches you that 20 workers do not, in themselves, make enough to take care of 200,000 dependents. (Just a word/number example but...)  Our population is about 320 million. As of 2012 (God knows what it is NOW) 109,631,000 were on welfare. The whole story is eye opening comparing those receiving funds here to the total population of...RUSSIA?

[url]http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/terence-p-jeffrey/354-percent-109631000-welfare[/url] ([url]http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/terence-p-jeffrey/354-percent-109631000-welfare[/url])

My question would be, how many of those you deem Dems, are destined to be on welfare as well?

"I want my Student Loans paid for by the Government." or..."I want "FREE" College."  ::)


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on June 22, 2017, 07:22:47 PM
and 51% of the other side....ISN"T CHILDREN WHO CAN"T work??? and THEY DON'T HAVE ..... SENIOR CITIZENS who planned for their retirement or also are STILL working???
I know of single and double amputees who work full time as well as serve in some of the most strenuous jobs in our military. INFANTRY and even AIRBORNE for Christ's sake. To me ords make more invalids than actuals anymore.
For me... I am sick and tired of peeling off my nest egg to help those who "convinced" some liberal program..that they need to be given everything
I only feel this way because... I was raised by a Greek Immigrant who worked his ass off and never asked for anything but a job and now I live in a "Hood" loaded with Gimmees and Can'tdoos. Guess we agree to disagree...

51% those quoted in your numbers on welfare are children who cannot work and if only one in the household receives benefits everyone in the house is considered to fall in the welfare category.  This list also includes 5% senior citizens over 65 and 28% of those on medicaid between the ages of 28 to 64 on this list actually work full time.  Stating this big number though brings fear in those that want to have fear and do not want to look into it any further. 

[url]http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jan/28/terry-jeffrey/are-there-more-welfare-recipients-us-full-time-wor/[/url] ([url]http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jan/28/terry-jeffrey/are-there-more-welfare-recipients-us-full-time-wor/[/url])
College education expands one's horizons and brings more tolerance in my opinion as they more often work side by side with people outside their demographic vs. never leaving one's rural homestead and only hanging out with like minded individuals.  In many cases a college education forces many to move toward bigger cities and towns that have the job oppotunities they were trained for.  Often left behind in these rural areas are those that do not have this education.   And these larger cities and metropolitan areas vote more for Democrats than Republicans. Certainly it is not 100% but that is the trend.
And another perspective on welfare vs. party line:
[url]https://trofire.com/2016/01/12/welfare-hypocrisy-red-states-are-the-real-freeloaders/[/url] ([url]https://trofire.com/2016/01/12/welfare-hypocrisy-red-states-are-the-real-freeloaders/[/url])


From what I have seen from Trump he believes in welfare as well, welfare for the rich...........

'Splain me dis Batman.... Why is it that in the demographic area I reside in.... almost EVERYONE who is on public assistance or a hand out program, shows up to vote DEM in most elections but especially the presidential?? Does that mean those who are in this category are...in your words..." College and post college educated as well as younger moving toward Democrats..." and THEY are the ones who demand the HANDOUTS?

And one thing I remember from my "60s" days...other than being drafted and working for a living, was the old saying..."ASS...GRASS...or GAS...nobody rides for free." Those OLD WHITE GUYS have went to college and/or OWN one...or they built corporations that employ those willing to WORK. I agree...not all are perfect but... without them... we may be in worse shape than we are now. Math teaches you that 20 workers do not, in themselves, make enough to take care of 200,000 dependents. (Just a word/number example but...)  Our population is about 320 million. As of 2012 (God knows what it is NOW) 109,631,000 were on welfare. The whole story is eye opening comparing those receiving funds here to the total population of...RUSSIA?

[url]http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/terence-p-jeffrey/354-percent-109631000-welfare[/url] ([url]http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/terence-p-jeffrey/354-percent-109631000-welfare[/url])

My question would be, how many of those you deem Dems, are destined to be on welfare as well?

"I want my Student Loans paid for by the Government." or..."I want "FREE" College."  ::)



Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on June 23, 2017, 09:42:48 AM
I think we agree on one key thing no able-bodied citizen should get a free ride if they can work.  My point was the numbers are misleading, half children, 28% from age 28 to 65 are actually working full time, 5% over the age of 65.  The reality is though for the remaining millions who are not working there are not enough open jobs in the US to get them back to work with around 5M jobs open give or take right now, many of which require a specific technical know how or background.



and 51% of the other side....ISN"T CHILDREN WHO CAN"T work??? and THEY DON'T HAVE ..... SENIOR CITIZENS who planned for their retirement or also are STILL working???
I know of single and double amputees who work full time as well as serve in some of the most strenuous jobs in our military. INFANTRY and even AIRBORNE for Christ's sake. To me ords make more invalids than actuals anymore.
For me... I am sick and tired of peeling off my nest egg to help those who "convinced" some liberal program..that they need to be given everything
I only feel this way because... I was raised by a Greek Immigrant who worked his ass off and never asked for anything but a job and now I live in a "Hood" loaded with Gimmees and Can'tdoos. Guess we agree to disagree...

51% those quoted in your numbers on welfare are children who cannot work and if only one in the household receives benefits everyone in the house is considered to fall in the welfare category.  This list also includes 5% senior citizens over 65 and 28% of those on medicaid between the ages of 28 to 64 on this list actually work full time.  Stating this big number though brings fear in those that want to have fear and do not want to look into it any further. 

[url]http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jan/28/terry-jeffrey/are-there-more-welfare-recipients-us-full-time-wor/[/url] ([url]http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jan/28/terry-jeffrey/are-there-more-welfare-recipients-us-full-time-wor/[/url])
College education expands one's horizons and brings more tolerance in my opinion as they more often work side by side with people outside their demographic vs. never leaving one's rural homestead and only hanging out with like minded individuals.  In many cases a college education forces many to move toward bigger cities and towns that have the job oppotunities they were trained for.  Often left behind in these rural areas are those that do not have this education.   And these larger cities and metropolitan areas vote more for Democrats than Republicans. Certainly it is not 100% but that is the trend.
And another perspective on welfare vs. party line:
[url]https://trofire.com/2016/01/12/welfare-hypocrisy-red-states-are-the-real-freeloaders/[/url] ([url]https://trofire.com/2016/01/12/welfare-hypocrisy-red-states-are-the-real-freeloaders/[/url])


From what I have seen from Trump he believes in welfare as well, welfare for the rich...........

'Splain me dis Batman.... Why is it that in the demographic area I reside in.... almost EVERYONE who is on public assistance or a hand out program, shows up to vote DEM in most elections but especially the presidential?? Does that mean those who are in this category are...in your words..." College and post college educated as well as younger moving toward Democrats..." and THEY are the ones who demand the HANDOUTS?

And one thing I remember from my "60s" days...other than being drafted and working for a living, was the old saying..."ASS...GRASS...or GAS...nobody rides for free." Those OLD WHITE GUYS have went to college and/or OWN one...or they built corporations that employ those willing to WORK. I agree...not all are perfect but... without them... we may be in worse shape than we are now. Math teaches you that 20 workers do not, in themselves, make enough to take care of 200,000 dependents. (Just a word/number example but...)  Our population is about 320 million. As of 2012 (God knows what it is NOW) 109,631,000 were on welfare. The whole story is eye opening comparing those receiving funds here to the total population of...RUSSIA?

[url]http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/terence-p-jeffrey/354-percent-109631000-welfare[/url] ([url]http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/terence-p-jeffrey/354-percent-109631000-welfare[/url])

My question would be, how many of those you deem Dems, are destined to be on welfare as well?

"I want my Student Loans paid for by the Government." or..."I want "FREE" College."  ::)




Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on June 23, 2017, 12:26:26 PM
Hmmmm and yet we will continue to allow unbridled legal and illegal immigration to happen and then.... just what do you think happens to the HAND OUT Roles that we can't sustain ...even NOW. Lets see...not enough jobs for those we have already and we pour in more...nope...numbers don't work... Education must not be the answer as well or those who want to get the Tech jobs, would be flocking, drug free and without legal baggage to the doors to better themselves. Dude...you can't even give jobs away... We use to have a poster on the forums who talked of her husband who was a Head Hunter for the Fracking/Oil industry right here in PA. I did meet up with him. He had to go out east to recruit people. He interviewed hundreds and only 20 could pass the piss test or had clean driving records. These weren't shit jobs...starting at ...$1000..per WEEK. plus per diem, and housing...TO START. not counting overtime and shift differential... Some who made it into the jobs began with the $1000/week and some of those who stuck it out...were making 6 figures, last time I checked. Did they need college? No... did they bring a skill... not always... What they brought was the desire to work and learn so they could be a positive addition to society and make more $$$... without pounding drugs in themselves or breaking the law at the drop of the hat. Yup.... we need more people in the US who bring nothing to the table and continue to burden the system and we can't even care for those  who ARE leeches on the system already.... O1 visas aside I guess.

My son graduated from High School years ago. We had a talk.... He was already working for Giant Eagle in HS. I told him, if he wants to live here, he pays rent so he has to keep working. No rent if he went to college. He was smart... he went to work at Giant Eagle FULL TIME and... He went to college FULL TIME. So... no rent was paid and he is now close to retirement. I like to think I was part of his decision. Again... ASS, GRASS OR GAS..... ain't no free ride. The birds need pushed out of the nest in real life... sink or swim.

So your numbers don't seem to work for me as well and I bet for others in the forums.


I think we agree on one key thing no able-bodied citizen should get a free ride if they can work.  My point was the numbers are misleading, half children, 28% from age 28 to 65 are actually working full time, 5% over the age of 65.  The reality is though for the remaining millions who are not working there are not enough open jobs in the US to get them back to work with around 5M jobs open give or take right now, many of which require a specific technical know how or background.



and 51% of the other side....ISN"T CHILDREN WHO CAN"T work??? and THEY DON'T HAVE ..... SENIOR CITIZENS who planned for their retirement or also are STILL working???
I know of single and double amputees who work full time as well as serve in some of the most strenuous jobs in our military. INFANTRY and even AIRBORNE for Christ's sake. To me ords make more invalids than actuals anymore.
For me... I am sick and tired of peeling off my nest egg to help those who "convinced" some liberal program..that they need to be given everything
I only feel this way because... I was raised by a Greek Immigrant who worked his ass off and never asked for anything but a job and now I live in a "Hood" loaded with Gimmees and Can'tdoos. Guess we agree to disagree...

51% those quoted in your numbers on welfare are children who cannot work and if only one in the household receives benefits everyone in the house is considered to fall in the welfare category.  This list also includes 5% senior citizens over 65 and 28% of those on medicaid between the ages of 28 to 64 on this list actually work full time.  Stating this big number though brings fear in those that want to have fear and do not want to look into it any further. 

[url]http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jan/28/terry-jeffrey/are-there-more-welfare-recipients-us-full-time-wor/[/url] ([url]http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jan/28/terry-jeffrey/are-there-more-welfare-recipients-us-full-time-wor/[/url])
College education expands one's horizons and brings more tolerance in my opinion as they more often work side by side with people outside their demographic vs. never leaving one's rural homestead and only hanging out with like minded individuals.  In many cases a college education forces many to move toward bigger cities and towns that have the job oppotunities they were trained for.  Often left behind in these rural areas are those that do not have this education.   And these larger cities and metropolitan areas vote more for Democrats than Republicans. Certainly it is not 100% but that is the trend.
And another perspective on welfare vs. party line:
[url]https://trofire.com/2016/01/12/welfare-hypocrisy-red-states-are-the-real-freeloaders/[/url] ([url]https://trofire.com/2016/01/12/welfare-hypocrisy-red-states-are-the-real-freeloaders/[/url])


From what I have seen from Trump he believes in welfare as well, welfare for the rich...........

'Splain me dis Batman.... Why is it that in the demographic area I reside in.... almost EVERYONE who is on public assistance or a hand out program, shows up to vote DEM in most elections but especially the presidential?? Does that mean those who are in this category are...in your words..." College and post college educated as well as younger moving toward Democrats..." and THEY are the ones who demand the HANDOUTS?

And one thing I remember from my "60s" days...other than being drafted and working for a living, was the old saying..."ASS...GRASS...or GAS...nobody rides for free." Those OLD WHITE GUYS have went to college and/or OWN one...or they built corporations that employ those willing to WORK. I agree...not all are perfect but... without them... we may be in worse shape than we are now. Math teaches you that 20 workers do not, in themselves, make enough to take care of 200,000 dependents. (Just a word/number example but...)  Our population is about 320 million. As of 2012 (God knows what it is NOW) 109,631,000 were on welfare. The whole story is eye opening comparing those receiving funds here to the total population of...RUSSIA?

[url]http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/terence-p-jeffrey/354-percent-109631000-welfare[/url] ([url]http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/terence-p-jeffrey/354-percent-109631000-welfare[/url])

My question would be, how many of those you deem Dems, are destined to be on welfare as well?

"I want my Student Loans paid for by the Government." or..."I want "FREE" College."  ::)





Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: clp_lives on June 23, 2017, 04:42:00 PM
It is all fake news....


Hmmmm and yet we will continue to allow unbridled legal and illegal immigration to happen and then.... just what do you think happens to the HAND OUT Roles that we can't sustain ...even NOW. Lets see...not enough jobs for those we have already and we pour in more...nope...numbers don't work... Education must not be the answer as well or those who want to get the Tech jobs, would be flocking, drug free and without legal baggage to the doors to better themselves. Dude...you can't even give jobs away... We use to have a poster on the forums who talked of her husband who was a Head Hunter for the Fracking/Oil industry right here in PA. I did meet up with him. He had to go out east to recruit people. He interviewed hundreds and only 20 could pass the piss test or had clean driving records. These weren't shit jobs...starting at ...$1000..per WEEK. plus per diem, and housing...TO START. not counting overtime and shift differential... Some who made it into the jobs began with the $1000/week and some of those who stuck it out...were making 6 figures, last time I checked. Did they need college? No... did they bring a skill... not always... What they brought was the desire to work and learn so they could be a positive addition to society and make more $$$... without pounding drugs in themselves or breaking the law at the drop of the hat. Yup.... we need more people in the US who bring nothing to the table and continue to burden the system and we can't even care for those  who ARE leeches on the system already.... O1 visas aside I guess.

My son graduated from High School years ago. We had a talk.... He was already working for Giant Eagle in HS. I told him, if he wants to live here, he pays rent so he has to keep working. No rent if he went to college. He was smart... he went to work at Giant Eagle FULL TIME and... He went to college FULL TIME. So... no rent was paid and he is now close to retirement. I like to think I was part of his decision. Again... ASS, GRASS OR GAS..... ain't no free ride. The birds need pushed out of the nest in real life... sink or swim.

So your numbers don't seem to work for me as well and I bet for others in the forums.


I think we agree on one key thing no able-bodied citizen should get a free ride if they can work.  My point was the numbers are misleading, half children, 28% from age 28 to 65 are actually working full time, 5% over the age of 65.  The reality is though for the remaining millions who are not working there are not enough open jobs in the US to get them back to work with around 5M jobs open give or take right now, many of which require a specific technical know how or background.



and 51% of the other side....ISN"T CHILDREN WHO CAN"T work??? and THEY DON'T HAVE ..... SENIOR CITIZENS who planned for their retirement or also are STILL working???
I know of single and double amputees who work full time as well as serve in some of the most strenuous jobs in our military. INFANTRY and even AIRBORNE for Christ's sake. To me ords make more invalids than actuals anymore.
For me... I am sick and tired of peeling off my nest egg to help those who "convinced" some liberal program..that they need to be given everything
I only feel this way because... I was raised by a Greek Immigrant who worked his ass off and never asked for anything but a job and now I live in a "Hood" loaded with Gimmees and Can'tdoos. Guess we agree to disagree...

51% those quoted in your numbers on welfare are children who cannot work and if only one in the household receives benefits everyone in the house is considered to fall in the welfare category.  This list also includes 5% senior citizens over 65 and 28% of those on medicaid between the ages of 28 to 64 on this list actually work full time.  Stating this big number though brings fear in those that want to have fear and do not want to look into it any further. 

[url]http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jan/28/terry-jeffrey/are-there-more-welfare-recipients-us-full-time-wor/[/url] ([url]http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jan/28/terry-jeffrey/are-there-more-welfare-recipients-us-full-time-wor/[/url])
College education expands one's horizons and brings more tolerance in my opinion as they more often work side by side with people outside their demographic vs. never leaving one's rural homestead and only hanging out with like minded individuals.  In many cases a college education forces many to move toward bigger cities and towns that have the job oppotunities they were trained for.  Often left behind in these rural areas are those that do not have this education.   And these larger cities and metropolitan areas vote more for Democrats than Republicans. Certainly it is not 100% but that is the trend.
And another perspective on welfare vs. party line:
[url]https://trofire.com/2016/01/12/welfare-hypocrisy-red-states-are-the-real-freeloaders/[/url] ([url]https://trofire.com/2016/01/12/welfare-hypocrisy-red-states-are-the-real-freeloaders/[/url])


From what I have seen from Trump he believes in welfare as well, welfare for the rich...........

'Splain me dis Batman.... Why is it that in the demographic area I reside in.... almost EVERYONE who is on public assistance or a hand out program, shows up to vote DEM in most elections but especially the presidential?? Does that mean those who are in this category are...in your words..." College and post college educated as well as younger moving toward Democrats..." and THEY are the ones who demand the HANDOUTS?

And one thing I remember from my "60s" days...other than being drafted and working for a living, was the old saying..."ASS...GRASS...or GAS...nobody rides for free." Those OLD WHITE GUYS have went to college and/or OWN one...or they built corporations that employ those willing to WORK. I agree...not all are perfect but... without them... we may be in worse shape than we are now. Math teaches you that 20 workers do not, in themselves, make enough to take care of 200,000 dependents. (Just a word/number example but...)  Our population is about 320 million. As of 2012 (God knows what it is NOW) 109,631,000 were on welfare. The whole story is eye opening comparing those receiving funds here to the total population of...RUSSIA?

[url]http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/terence-p-jeffrey/354-percent-109631000-welfare[/url] ([url]http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/terence-p-jeffrey/354-percent-109631000-welfare[/url])

My question would be, how many of those you deem Dems, are destined to be on welfare as well?

"I want my Student Loans paid for by the Government." or..."I want "FREE" College."  ::)






Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: Lifetime on June 24, 2017, 08:36:38 AM
Sometimes it is best to just bang your head against a wall  :frustrated:


Title: Re: The Trump Administration
Post by: gore range on November 02, 2017, 09:59:04 AM


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....imagine that