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Title: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on August 29, 2017, 07:40:39 AM
So Harvey is back out in the Gulf and regrouping after round one of pretty much a thousand year event. More rain is predicted for the next few days. Some areas have received more than 50 inches of rain! The people in Texas have their hands full and will for some time.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: gore range on August 29, 2017, 11:57:21 AM
 ....to put it all in a relative common reference perspective-

....Harvey has dumped the equivalent of over 50 FEET OF SNOW on Houston.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: clp_lives on August 29, 2017, 12:04:01 PM
The sad thing is when Trump visits he will probably blame Obama or Hillary somehow and worry about the size of the crowd that sees him talk.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Jayhawk on August 29, 2017, 12:31:42 PM
The sad thing is when Trump visits he will probably blame Obama or Hillary somehow and worry about the size of the crowd that sees him talk.
Well, let's hope he's right and the TV ratings are up.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on August 29, 2017, 12:50:52 PM
What's interesting is that TD 10 was over me (literally) this past weekend. We got lucky and escaped with only 8" of rain. Points south got as much as 18" over the weekend. We can handle the water much better than Texas given out sand and loam over limestone geology. The amount of rain Harvey has dumped would be a nightmare anywhere. I am sure that somewhere in the Houston area there is a Waffle House open though.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on August 29, 2017, 03:18:08 PM
Waffle House! The amount of grease in one of them would repel the water!

All kidding aside though. I got some friends down in that area. They are more than a little bugged out by the amount of water that's come from the heavens. I hope that the weather pattern shifts and it clears on out of there.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: bighair80s on August 29, 2017, 05:41:51 PM
I can hardly believe my eyes watching the news reports and damage. It's surreal. It's a reminder that life can change pretty fast.  Ugh.


My memories of Houston  consist of getting lost and tangled up in the "spaghetti bowl" as they called it then,rings of interstate highways and bypasses that form concentric circles of driving hell around Houston.  Naturally this was before GPS and google maps.  Good times. Good times. Ha.



Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: gore range on August 29, 2017, 06:06:38 PM
 In many areas the ”rings of interstate highways and bypasses that form concentric circles of driving hell around Houston ” were by intention designed to function as rainfall runoff corridors to assist in mitigating flooding during normal meteorological events.

The reality is municipalities can not afford to even think about building for a 500 year meteorological  event.

Thoughts and prays for those impacted and those about to be impacted in the coming week.



Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on August 29, 2017, 08:14:37 PM
"The reality is municipalities can not afford to even think about building for a 500 year meteorological  event."

And yet - it seems someone must always be blamed. Looks like Joel Osteen is taking some (now unwarranted) heat.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: clp_lives on August 29, 2017, 08:25:28 PM
Mental instability at it's best:

https://qz.com/1065191/hurricane-harvey-trump-did-a-mini-campaign-rally-in-houston-and-failed-to-express-sympathy-for-flood-victims/

The sad thing is when Trump visits he will probably blame Obama or Hillary somehow and worry about the size of the crowd that sees him talk.
Well, let's hope he's right and the TV ratings are up.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Lifetime on August 30, 2017, 07:45:41 AM
And maybe you fail to mention that he is doing a return as well as Pence coming in... Maybe we need to see what he/they have planned before we start throwing crap. I know when the SHIT hit the fan for us in Vietnam, I would rather have a leader insert some Positive thought than to have one say our SHIT was in the wind.... One visit really tells little as to the plans.... let's see what happens over the next week.

I was in New Orleans about 2 weeks ago. As our plane came in and when we left, you could still see a large area of NO that was still devastated by Katrina. A NO MAN'S LAND would describe it. Let me see.... It happened in 2005 and went through 2 POTUS's and it is still a waste land..... 12 years later... Old swimming pools are still filled with water (rains all the time) and instead of filling in those pools of mosquito infested waters... they ( Government Entities) are catching little fish that eat the larvae and placing them in those pools WTF??? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot??? And now a week in and continuing , we bitch about one POTUS visit... God...some of us need to just get a life and need to concentrate more on possibly offering up some help of a personal nature in the mean time.  IMHO


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: gore range on August 30, 2017, 08:34:48 AM
https://qz.com/1063350/actually-houston-also-had-a-disastrous-once-in-500-year-flood-in-2001/ (https://qz.com/1063350/actually-houston-also-had-a-disastrous-once-in-500-year-flood-in-2001/)


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: gore range on August 30, 2017, 08:41:49 AM
THE CATASTROPHE OF TROPICAL STORM ALLISON

IS UNPRECEDENTED FOR ANY MAJOR METROPOLITAN

U.S. CITY.

BUT, A STORM OF THIS MAGNITUDE WILL HAPPEN AGAIN.

IT’S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME....


https://www.hcfcd.org/media/1351/ts-allison_pubreportenglish.pdf (https://www.hcfcd.org/media/1351/ts-allison_pubreportenglish.pdf)


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: clp_lives on August 30, 2017, 01:52:10 PM
A little compassion from our current president is not too much to ask.  Thousands have lost everything and a few and counting lost their lives.  For New Orleans and the impact Katrina so are you saying despite the fact most did not have flood insurance the government and Obama should have rebuilt these homes for free for each one of them?  Kind of goes against the Republican way doesn't it?  In your opinion who was to pay for all these uninsured homes to be rebuilt in a known floodplan to address this no man's land as you call it?

 
And maybe you fail to mention that he is doing a return as well as Pence coming in... Maybe we need to see what he/they have planned before we start throwing crap. I know when the SHIT hit the fan for us in Vietnam, I would rather have a leader insert some Positive thought than to have one say our SHIT was in the wind.... One visit really tells little as to the plans.... let's see what happens over the next week.

I was in New Orleans about 2 weeks ago. As our plane came in and when we left, you could still see a large area of NO that was still devastated by Katrina. A NO MAN'S LAND would describe it. Let me see.... It happened in 2005 and went through 2 POTUS's and it is still a waste land..... 12 years later... Old swimming pools are still filled with water (rains all the time) and instead of filling in those pools of mosquito infested waters... they ( Government Entities) are catching little fish that eat the larvae and placing them in those pools WTF??? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot??? And now a week in and continuing , we bitch about one POTUS visit... God...some of us need to just get a life and need to concentrate more on possibly offering up some help of a personal nature in the mean time.  IMHO


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: bighair80s on August 30, 2017, 01:56:23 PM
I asked mr BH about the Houston trip, I had forgotten that was in 1988 and hurricane Gilbert had passed through Corpus Christi just a couple days before we arrived via Huston airport there. We drove to Corpus to stay at the beach. I remember the hotel we stayed still had plywood on the gulf side glass. Lots of beach erosion and the water was churned up with vegetation etc.  On a side note, I recall Padre Island national seashore beach was one of the most serene and beautiful beaches I've been to. 


Living in those areas carries a risk of flooding.  Life is fragile, we don't think about it till we have to I guess. 


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on August 30, 2017, 02:49:14 PM
The bigget threat is the storm surge. The wind causes far less damage than the water. From the meterological standpoint, statistically the Gulf coast is the most dangerous place to live. It's not all that bad, but no matter where you live... the weather will come after you.  I guarantee you the weather has no respect for you.

As far as the political posturing. The people affected don't give a shit about compassion, they just want results and relief. I hope he delivers. God knows our track record on the matter is pretty poor.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Amidala on August 30, 2017, 06:02:01 PM
I was talking to a tech at Vernon Place today about Harvey and how we were both thankful for our weather here, because we can prepare for snow. Even tho everyone complains about the snow and cold, it is easier to deal with, in general. We haven't had tornado warnings for a long time, too. The two highest snowfalls I remember .. one was Chardon OH had a lake effect event with 4+feet, more than ten years ago and then Buffalo had a BIG event that was over 5 feet - tunnels were plowed thru the snow. Neither were as devastating as these Hurricanes in the Gulf. 

I still think there will be a future exodus from the south and southwest to the Great Lakes and Northeast, in search of water, in the future, about 100 years, give or take.  Water is needed to live, for food production and manufacturing and it is getting increasingly scarce and expensive, around the world.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Jayhawk on August 31, 2017, 01:14:35 AM
A little compassion from our current president is not too much to ask.


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/30/trump-tweet-hurricane-harvey-victims-242169 (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/30/trump-tweet-hurricane-harvey-victims-242169)

[he also landed under blue skies and never went anywhere that was flooded]

Trump says 'heart goes out' to Texans after not meeting Harvey victims

President Donald Trump said Wednesday that his “heart goes out even more so” to the victims of hurricane-ravaged Texas after touring the state, despite not meeting on Tuesday with any victims or addressing them during his multiple public appearances.

“After witnessing first hand the horror & devastation caused by Hurricane Harvey,my heart goes out even more so to the great people of Texas!” the president tweeted Wednesday morning...


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: clp_lives on August 31, 2017, 09:52:25 AM
"the president tweeted Wednesday morning..."   Yes, it took to Weds.
A little compassion from our current president is not too much to ask.


[url]http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/30/trump-tweet-hurricane-harvey-victims-242169[/url] ([url]http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/30/trump-tweet-hurricane-harvey-victims-242169[/url])

[he also landed under blue skies and never went anywhere that was flooded]

Trump says 'heart goes out' to Texans after not meeting Harvey victims

President Donald Trump said Wednesday that his “heart goes out even more so” to the victims of hurricane-ravaged Texas after touring the state, despite not meeting on Tuesday with any victims or addressing them during his multiple public appearances.

“After witnessing first hand the horror & devastation caused by Hurricane Harvey,my heart goes out even more so to the great people of Texas!” the president tweeted Wednesday morning...



Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Lifetime on August 31, 2017, 10:27:41 AM
Hmmm... I never recalled that I expected a free "rebuild" and I am aware that in BOTH, not many had Flood Insurance. My point was that in NOLA....the neighborhoods still "stand"... full mosquito infested pools and places where Drug Dealers and God Knows What... utilize. It should have been 'DOZED' at least. My opinion...

When will you report what Trump has been doing since he left after his FIRST arrival...or will you overlook that? I think he will have tried to secure funds to begin the Gov. help for them. He intends to come back again... You are so quick to pull the trigger. He will also be addressing Louisiana and other areas...We do have an issue on the East Coast as well.

Please note... Houston is expected to have areas still flooded up to and including November. The dams had to be opened in order to keep from losing them altogether.

If you wanted to throw stones... I think you should choose your targets better. We just came off 8 years of someone who was in place while Katrina was very much an issue... I only reported on what I PERSONALLY saw while there recently. I don't really want to fight over the faux pas or interpretations ... all I am saying is that this is still fresh and ongoing. It took God 7 days to create our world and no MAN can come near to that timeline or perfection. Let us wait and see...

A little compassion from our current president is not too much to ask.  Thousands have lost everything and a few and counting lost their lives.  For New Orleans and the impact Katrina so are you saying despite the fact most did not have flood insurance the government and Obama should have rebuilt these homes for free for each one of them?  Kind of goes against the Republican way doesn't it?  In your opinion who was to pay for all these uninsured homes to be rebuilt in a known floodplan to address this no man's land as you call it?

 
And maybe you fail to mention that he is doing a return as well as Pence coming in... Maybe we need to see what he/they have planned before we start throwing crap. I know when the SHIT hit the fan for us in Vietnam, I would rather have a leader insert some Positive thought than to have one say our SHIT was in the wind.... One visit really tells little as to the plans.... let's see what happens over the next week.

I was in New Orleans about 2 weeks ago. As our plane came in and when we left, you could still see a large area of NO that was still devastated by Katrina. A NO MAN'S LAND would describe it. Let me see.... It happened in 2005 and went through 2 POTUS's and it is still a waste land..... 12 years later... Old swimming pools are still filled with water (rains all the time) and instead of filling in those pools of mosquito infested waters... they ( Government Entities) are catching little fish that eat the larvae and placing them in those pools WTF??? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot??? And now a week in and continuing , we bitch about one POTUS visit... God...some of us need to just get a life and need to concentrate more on possibly offering up some help of a personal nature in the mean time.  IMHO


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Lifetime on August 31, 2017, 10:33:21 AM
Maybe the victims had other things on their minds???


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=61&v=kqkcajYOTfc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=61&v=kqkcajYOTfc)


A little compassion from our current president is not too much to ask.  Thousands have lost everything and a few and counting lost their lives.  For New Orleans and the impact Katrina so are you saying despite the fact most did not have flood insurance the government and Obama should have rebuilt these homes for free for each one of them?  Kind of goes against the Republican way doesn't it?  In your opinion who was to pay for all these uninsured homes to be rebuilt in a known floodplan to address this no man's land as you call it?

 
And maybe you fail to mention that he is doing a return as well as Pence coming in... Maybe we need to see what he/they have planned before we start throwing crap. I know when the SHIT hit the fan for us in Vietnam, I would rather have a leader insert some Positive thought than to have one say our SHIT was in the wind.... One visit really tells little as to the plans.... let's see what happens over the next week.

I was in New Orleans about 2 weeks ago. As our plane came in and when we left, you could still see a large area of NO that was still devastated by Katrina. A NO MAN'S LAND would describe it. Let me see.... It happened in 2005 and went through 2 POTUS's and it is still a waste land..... 12 years later... Old swimming pools are still filled with water (rains all the time) and instead of filling in those pools of mosquito infested waters... they ( Government Entities) are catching little fish that eat the larvae and placing them in those pools WTF??? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot??? And now a week in and continuing , we bitch about one POTUS visit... God...some of us need to just get a life and need to concentrate more on possibly offering up some help of a personal nature in the mean time.  IMHO


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: clp_lives on August 31, 2017, 11:43:57 AM
All I'm saying is who's paying.  Even dozing and disposal are not free.    The Republican elected representatives seem to be forgetting their opposition and refusal to go along with the Katrina funding back then now they have their hands out.  All politics and no real care for those actually affected.  Trump made fun of Obama on the ground with the victims back then, he shows up with Melanie in 4 inch heels.
Hmmm... I never recalled that I expected a free "rebuild" and I am aware that in BOTH, not many had Flood Insurance. My point was that in NOLA....the neighborhoods still "stand"... full mosquito infested pools and places where Drug Dealers and God Knows What... utilize. It should have been 'DOZED' at least. My opinion...

When will you report what Trump has been doing since he left after his FIRST arrival...or will you overlook that? I think he will have tried to secure funds to begin the Gov. help for them. He intends to come back again... You are so quick to pull the trigger. He will also be addressing Louisiana and other areas...We do have an issue on the East Coast as well.

Please note... Houston is expected to have areas still flooded up to and including November. The dams had to be opened in order to keep from losing them altogether.

If you wanted to throw stones... I think you should choose your targets better. We just came off 8 years of someone who was in place while Katrina was very much an issue... I only reported on what I PERSONALLY saw while there recently. I don't really want to fight over the faux pas or interpretations ... all I am saying is that this is still fresh and ongoing. It took God 7 days to create our world and no MAN can come near to that timeline or perfection. Let us wait and see...

A little compassion from our current president is not too much to ask.  Thousands have lost everything and a few and counting lost their lives.  For New Orleans and the impact Katrina so are you saying despite the fact most did not have flood insurance the government and Obama should have rebuilt these homes for free for each one of them?  Kind of goes against the Republican way doesn't it?  In your opinion who was to pay for all these uninsured homes to be rebuilt in a known floodplan to address this no man's land as you call it?

 
And maybe you fail to mention that he is doing a return as well as Pence coming in... Maybe we need to see what he/they have planned before we start throwing crap. I know when the SHIT hit the fan for us in Vietnam, I would rather have a leader insert some Positive thought than to have one say our SHIT was in the wind.... One visit really tells little as to the plans.... let's see what happens over the next week.

I was in New Orleans about 2 weeks ago. As our plane came in and when we left, you could still see a large area of NO that was still devastated by Katrina. A NO MAN'S LAND would describe it. Let me see.... It happened in 2005 and went through 2 POTUS's and it is still a waste land..... 12 years later... Old swimming pools are still filled with water (rains all the time) and instead of filling in those pools of mosquito infested waters... they ( Government Entities) are catching little fish that eat the larvae and placing them in those pools WTF??? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot??? And now a week in and continuing , we bitch about one POTUS visit... God...some of us need to just get a life and need to concentrate more on possibly offering up some help of a personal nature in the mean time.  IMHO


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Lifetime on August 31, 2017, 12:40:31 PM
So... maybe you can figure it out.... I see people's lives in danger in NOLA... Mosquitos with West Nile and Zika and God knows what else... 12 years later... then... a body dump as well as a drug refuge... How many people continue to die as opposed to dozing all that crap down? 12 years later !!!
Now a new threat that will be years to clear. If we have the money for a shrimp to run on a treadmill ( long before Trump), we have money for dozers. This is not JUST a GOP issue... nor is it new. Just go back and see the history. We get it... You hate the GOP and Trump.... but those who can see the larger picture know it is NOT party but $$$$$ and both parties worship that and blame each other if no one clears the spending. Hell...PA is going to run out of money in about a week... Did that just happen or...was it in play...even when the DEMS were in control? I (GOP) learned from my parents (DEMS) if my child needs food and only one can eat.... wife and I do without. But then again...my parents were John Kennedy Dems. not the same as today.

Just heard that Houston WILL have mosquito problems along with issues from ALLIGATORS in the near future. And Pence and wife are now in Texas with Gov. Abbot to survey the damage. Maybe you think he should have went to Indiana??

All I'm saying is who's paying.  Even dozing and disposal are not free.    The Republican elected representatives seem to be forgetting their opposition and refusal to go along with the Katrina funding back then now they have their hands out.  All politics and no real care for those actually affected.  Trump made fun of Obama on the ground with the victims back then, he shows up with Melanie in 4 inch heals.
Hmmm... I never recalled that I expected a free "rebuild" and I am aware that in BOTH, not many had Flood Insurance. My point was that in NOLA....the neighborhoods still "stand"... full mosquito infested pools and places where Drug Dealers and God Knows What... utilize. It should have been 'DOZED' at least. My opinion...

When will you report what Trump has been doing since he left after his FIRST arrival...or will you overlook that? I think he will have tried to secure funds to begin the Gov. help for them. He intends to come back again... You are so quick to pull the trigger. He will also be addressing Louisiana and other areas...We do have an issue on the East Coast as well.

Please note... Houston is expected to have areas still flooded up to and including November. The dams had to be opened in order to keep from losing them altogether.

If you wanted to throw stones... I think you should choose your targets better. We just came off 8 years of someone who was in place while Katrina was very much an issue... I only reported on what I PERSONALLY saw while there recently. I don't really want to fight over the faux pas or interpretations ... all I am saying is that this is still fresh and ongoing. It took God 7 days to create our world and no MAN can come near to that timeline or perfection. Let us wait and see...

A little compassion from our current president is not too much to ask.  Thousands have lost everything and a few and counting lost their lives.  For New Orleans and the impact Katrina so are you saying despite the fact most did not have flood insurance the government and Obama should have rebuilt these homes for free for each one of them?  Kind of goes against the Republican way doesn't it?  In your opinion who was to pay for all these uninsured homes to be rebuilt in a known floodplan to address this no man's land as you call it?

 
And maybe you fail to mention that he is doing a return as well as Pence coming in... Maybe we need to see what he/they have planned before we start throwing crap. I know when the SHIT hit the fan for us in Vietnam, I would rather have a leader insert some Positive thought than to have one say our SHIT was in the wind.... One visit really tells little as to the plans.... let's see what happens over the next week.

I was in New Orleans about 2 weeks ago. As our plane came in and when we left, you could still see a large area of NO that was still devastated by Katrina. A NO MAN'S LAND would describe it. Let me see.... It happened in 2005 and went through 2 POTUS's and it is still a waste land..... 12 years later... Old swimming pools are still filled with water (rains all the time) and instead of filling in those pools of mosquito infested waters... they ( Government Entities) are catching little fish that eat the larvae and placing them in those pools WTF??? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot??? And now a week in and continuing , we bitch about one POTUS visit... God...some of us need to just get a life and need to concentrate more on possibly offering up some help of a personal nature in the mean time.  IMHO


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: clp_lives on August 31, 2017, 12:45:10 PM
So you are saying then the govt should pay for the rebuild / clean up including the uninsured?  Seems to contradict your other stance of making it and standing up on your own, not govt. handouts.  Can't have it both ways.


So... maybe you can figure it out.... I see people's lives in danger in NOLA... Mosquitos with West Nile and Zika and God knows what else... 12 years later... then... a body dump as well as a drug refuge... How many people continue to die as opposed to dozing all that crap down? 12 years later !!!
Now a new threat that will be years to clear. If we have the money for a shrimp to run on a treadmill ( long before Trump), we have money for dozers. This is not JUST a GOP issue... nor is it new. Just go back and see the history. We get it... You hate the GOP and Trump.... but those who can see the larger picture know it is NOT party but $$$$$ and both parties worship that and blame each other if no one clears the spending. Hell...PA is going to run out of money in about a week... Did that just happen or...was it in play...even when the DEMS were in control? I (GOP) learned from my parents (DEMS) if my child needs food and only one can eat.... wife and I do without. But then again...my parents were John Kennedy Dems. not the same as today.

Just heard that Houston WILL have mosquito problems along with issues from ALLIGATORS in the near future. And Pence and wife are now in Texas with Gov. Abbot to survey the damage. Maybe you think he should have went to Indiana??

All I'm saying is who's paying.  Even dozing and disposal are not free.    The Republican elected representatives seem to be forgetting their opposition and refusal to go along with the Katrina funding back then now they have their hands out.  All politics and no real care for those actually affected.  Trump made fun of Obama on the ground with the victims back then, he shows up with Melanie in 4 inch heals.
Hmmm... I never recalled that I expected a free "rebuild" and I am aware that in BOTH, not many had Flood Insurance. My point was that in NOLA....the neighborhoods still "stand"... full mosquito infested pools and places where Drug Dealers and God Knows What... utilize. It should have been 'DOZED' at least. My opinion...

When will you report what Trump has been doing since he left after his FIRST arrival...or will you overlook that? I think he will have tried to secure funds to begin the Gov. help for them. He intends to come back again... You are so quick to pull the trigger. He will also be addressing Louisiana and other areas...We do have an issue on the East Coast as well.

Please note... Houston is expected to have areas still flooded up to and including November. The dams had to be opened in order to keep from losing them altogether.

If you wanted to throw stones... I think you should choose your targets better. We just came off 8 years of someone who was in place while Katrina was very much an issue... I only reported on what I PERSONALLY saw while there recently. I don't really want to fight over the faux pas or interpretations ... all I am saying is that this is still fresh and ongoing. It took God 7 days to create our world and no MAN can come near to that timeline or perfection. Let us wait and see...

A little compassion from our current president is not too much to ask.  Thousands have lost everything and a few and counting lost their lives.  For New Orleans and the impact Katrina so are you saying despite the fact most did not have flood insurance the government and Obama should have rebuilt these homes for free for each one of them?  Kind of goes against the Republican way doesn't it?  In your opinion who was to pay for all these uninsured homes to be rebuilt in a known floodplan to address this no man's land as you call it?

 
And maybe you fail to mention that he is doing a return as well as Pence coming in... Maybe we need to see what he/they have planned before we start throwing crap. I know when the SHIT hit the fan for us in Vietnam, I would rather have a leader insert some Positive thought than to have one say our SHIT was in the wind.... One visit really tells little as to the plans.... let's see what happens over the next week.

I was in New Orleans about 2 weeks ago. As our plane came in and when we left, you could still see a large area of NO that was still devastated by Katrina. A NO MAN'S LAND would describe it. Let me see.... It happened in 2005 and went through 2 POTUS's and it is still a waste land..... 12 years later... Old swimming pools are still filled with water (rains all the time) and instead of filling in those pools of mosquito infested waters... they ( Government Entities) are catching little fish that eat the larvae and placing them in those pools WTF??? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot??? And now a week in and continuing , we bitch about one POTUS visit... God...some of us need to just get a life and need to concentrate more on possibly offering up some help of a personal nature in the mean time.  IMHO


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: gore range on August 31, 2017, 03:40:31 PM
http://dailysignal.com/2017/08/29/hurricane-harvey-brings-best-americans/


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Lifetime on August 31, 2017, 06:56:30 PM

'Scuse me???? What I am saying is that a lot of money was sent...even before that happened ...to reenforce the Levees and Nagan spent it on other things... so...I am suggesting that all the cash we threw at that area and maybe some should have been used to do what I had suggested...instead of hunting little fish to eat the larvae.
Oh and did ja hear???? Trump has pledged $1 million of his own money to the victims of Harvey... When it happens, I hope you match dat Bunky.

So you are saying then the govt should pay for the rebuild / clean up including the uninsured?  Seems to contradict your other stance of making it and standing up on your own, not govt. handouts.  Can't have it both ways.


So... maybe you can figure it out.... I see people's lives in danger in NOLA... Mosquitos with West Nile and Zika and God knows what else... 12 years later... then... a body dump as well as a drug refuge... How many people continue to die as opposed to dozing all that crap down? 12 years later !!!
Now a new threat that will be years to clear. If we have the money for a shrimp to run on a treadmill ( long before Trump), we have money for dozers. This is not JUST a GOP issue... nor is it new. Just go back and see the history. We get it... You hate the GOP and Trump.... but those who can see the larger picture know it is NOT party but $$$$$ and both parties worship that and blame each other if no one clears the spending. Hell...PA is going to run out of money in about a week... Did that just happen or...was it in play...even when the DEMS were in control? I (GOP) learned from my parents (DEMS) if my child needs food and only one can eat.... wife and I do without. But then again...my parents were John Kennedy Dems. not the same as today.

Just heard that Houston WILL have mosquito problems along with issues from ALLIGATORS in the near future. And Pence and wife are now in Texas with Gov. Abbot to survey the damage. Maybe you think he should have went to Indiana??

All I'm saying is who's paying.  Even dozing and disposal are not free.    The Republican elected representatives seem to be forgetting their opposition and refusal to go along with the Katrina funding back then now they have their hands out.  All politics and no real care for those actually affected.  Trump made fun of Obama on the ground with the victims back then, he shows up with Melanie in 4 inch heals.
Hmmm... I never recalled that I expected a free "rebuild" and I am aware that in BOTH, not many had Flood Insurance. My point was that in NOLA....the neighborhoods still "stand"... full mosquito infested pools and places where Drug Dealers and God Knows What... utilize. It should have been 'DOZED' at least. My opinion...

When will you report what Trump has been doing since he left after his FIRST arrival...or will you overlook that? I think he will have tried to secure funds to begin the Gov. help for them. He intends to come back again... You are so quick to pull the trigger. He will also be addressing Louisiana and other areas...We do have an issue on the East Coast as well.

Please note... Houston is expected to have areas still flooded up to and including November. The dams had to be opened in order to keep from losing them altogether.

If you wanted to throw stones... I think you should choose your targets better. We just came off 8 years of someone who was in place while Katrina was very much an issue... I only reported on what I PERSONALLY saw while there recently. I don't really want to fight over the faux pas or interpretations ... all I am saying is that this is still fresh and ongoing. It took God 7 days to create our world and no MAN can come near to that timeline or perfection. Let us wait and see...

A little compassion from our current president is not too much to ask.  Thousands have lost everything and a few and counting lost their lives.  For New Orleans and the impact Katrina so are you saying despite the fact most did not have flood insurance the government and Obama should have rebuilt these homes for free for each one of them?  Kind of goes against the Republican way doesn't it?  In your opinion who was to pay for all these uninsured homes to be rebuilt in a known floodplan to address this no man's land as you call it?

 
And maybe you fail to mention that he is doing a return as well as Pence coming in... Maybe we need to see what he/they have planned before we start throwing crap. I know when the SHIT hit the fan for us in Vietnam, I would rather have a leader insert some Positive thought than to have one say our SHIT was in the wind.... One visit really tells little as to the plans.... let's see what happens over the next week.

I was in New Orleans about 2 weeks ago. As our plane came in and when we left, you could still see a large area of NO that was still devastated by Katrina. A NO MAN'S LAND would describe it. Let me see.... It happened in 2005 and went through 2 POTUS's and it is still a waste land..... 12 years later... Old swimming pools are still filled with water (rains all the time) and instead of filling in those pools of mosquito infested waters... they ( Government Entities) are catching little fish that eat the larvae and placing them in those pools WTF??? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot??? And now a week in and continuing , we bitch about one POTUS visit... God...some of us need to just get a life and need to concentrate more on possibly offering up some help of a personal nature in the mean time.  IMHO


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: bighair80s on August 31, 2017, 07:34:55 PM
[url]http://dailysignal.com/2017/08/29/hurricane-harvey-brings-best-americans/[/url]


yes.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: clp_lives on September 01, 2017, 11:53:09 AM
The govt. aid is expected to be $125 billion to 200 billion which equates to $357 to $571 for every single  person in America going to an area where 80% do not have flood insurance.  That seems to go against your previous comments against handouts and making it on your own.  You among many others will ultimately pay in one form or another as the money does not grow on trees.  Just sayin.  Of course this time around not a penny will be wasted.


'Scuse me? ??? What I am saying is that a lot of money was sent...even before that happened ...to reenforce the Levees and Nagan spent it on other things... so...I am suggesting that all the cash we threw at that area and maybe some should have been used to do what I had suggested...instead of hunting little fish to eat the larvae.
Oh and did ja hear? ??? Trump has pledged $1 million of his own money to the victims of Harvey... When it happens, I hope you match dat Bunky.

So you are saying then the govt should pay for the rebuild / clean up including the uninsured?  Seems to contradict your other stance of making it and standing up on your own, not govt. handouts.  Can't have it both ways.


So... maybe you can figure it out.... I see people's lives in danger in NOLA... Mosquitos with West Nile and Zika and God knows what else... 12 years later... then... a body dump as well as a drug refuge... How many people continue to die as opposed to dozing all that crap down? 12 years later !!!
Now a new threat that will be years to clear. If we have the money for a shrimp to run on a treadmill ( long before Trump), we have money for dozers. This is not JUST a GOP issue... nor is it new. Just go back and see the history. We get it... You hate the GOP and Trump.... but those who can see the larger picture know it is NOT party but $$$$$ and both parties worship that and blame each other if no one clears the spending. Hell...PA is going to run out of money in about a week... Did that just happen or...was it in play...even when the DEMS were in control? I (GOP) learned from my parents (DEMS) if my child needs food and only one can eat.... wife and I do without. But then again...my parents were John Kennedy Dems. not the same as today.

Just heard that Houston WILL have mosquito problems along with issues from ALLIGATORS in the near future. And Pence and wife are now in Texas with Gov. Abbot to survey the damage. Maybe you think he should have went to Indiana??

All I'm saying is who's paying.  Even dozing and disposal are not free.    The Republican elected representatives seem to be forgetting their opposition and refusal to go along with the Katrina funding back then now they have their hands out.  All politics and no real care for those actually affected.  Trump made fun of Obama on the ground with the victims back then, he shows up with Melanie in 4 inch heals.
Hmmm... I never recalled that I expected a free "rebuild" and I am aware that in BOTH, not many had Flood Insurance. My point was that in NOLA....the neighborhoods still "stand"... full mosquito infested pools and places where Drug Dealers and God Knows What... utilize. It should have been 'DOZED' at least. My opinion...

When will you report what Trump has been doing since he left after his FIRST arrival...or will you overlook that? I think he will have tried to secure funds to begin the Gov. help for them. He intends to come back again... You are so quick to pull the trigger. He will also be addressing Louisiana and other areas...We do have an issue on the East Coast as well.

Please note... Houston is expected to have areas still flooded up to and including November. The dams had to be opened in order to keep from losing them altogether.

If you wanted to throw stones... I think you should choose your targets better. We just came off 8 years of someone who was in place while Katrina was very much an issue... I only reported on what I PERSONALLY saw while there recently. I don't really want to fight over the faux pas or interpretations ... all I am saying is that this is still fresh and ongoing. It took God 7 days to create our world and no MAN can come near to that timeline or perfection. Let us wait and see...

A little compassion from our current president is not too much to ask.  Thousands have lost everything and a few and counting lost their lives.  For New Orleans and the impact Katrina so are you saying despite the fact most did not have flood insurance the government and Obama should have rebuilt these homes for free for each one of them?  Kind of goes against the Republican way doesn't it?  In your opinion who was to pay for all these uninsured homes to be rebuilt in a known floodplan to address this no man's land as you call it?

 
And maybe you fail to mention that he is doing a return as well as Pence coming in... Maybe we need to see what he/they have planned before we start throwing crap. I know when the SHIT hit the fan for us in Vietnam, I would rather have a leader insert some Positive thought than to have one say our SHIT was in the wind.... One visit really tells little as to the plans.... let's see what happens over the next week.

I was in New Orleans about 2 weeks ago. As our plane came in and when we left, you could still see a large area of NO that was still devastated by Katrina. A NO MAN'S LAND would describe it. Let me see.... It happened in 2005 and went through 2 POTUS's and it is still a waste land..... 12 years later... Old swimming pools are still filled with water (rains all the time) and instead of filling in those pools of mosquito infested waters... they ( Government Entities) are catching little fish that eat the larvae and placing them in those pools WTF??? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot??? And now a week in and continuing , we bitch about one POTUS visit... God...some of us need to just get a life and need to concentrate more on possibly offering up some help of a personal nature in the mean time.  IMHO


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Lifetime on September 01, 2017, 12:13:38 PM
And again... I am saying...money spent in the past could have been put to better use and not all the pork. I have NO CONTROL over the money allocated by our Government ( that is OUR money) but I have a right to comment on it's use. Some things WE DO have control over... it has to do with our choices of priorities and our taking our own responsibilities... Like leeches on a free flowing welfare system as opposed to actually earning their own,.... not needing but wanting...Smart cellphones, large screen tvs.... etc. I am not able to assemble an ARMY or a POLICE force or FIRE department or build roads. That is a job that is GOVERNMENT. Please take the time to study what WAS the original intent of our Government and then take the time to see how convoluted it has become.

The money you stated that each citizen will end up paying is crazy but.... I don't smoke, or drink so I think I might not miss it as much as some. I don't have a choice...do I???


The govt. aid is expected to be $125 billion to 200 billion which equates to $357 to $571 for every single  person in America going to an area where 80% do not have flood insurance.  That seems to go against your previous comments against handouts and making it on your own.  You among many others will ultimately pay in one form or another as the money does not grow on trees.  Just sayin.  Of course this time around not a penny will be wasted.


'Scuse me? ??? What I am saying is that a lot of money was sent...even before that happened ...to reenforce the Levees and Nagan spent it on other things... so...I am suggesting that all the cash we threw at that area and maybe some should have been used to do what I had suggested...instead of hunting little fish to eat the larvae.
Oh and did ja hear? ??? Trump has pledged $1 million of his own money to the victims of Harvey... When it happens, I hope you match dat Bunky.

So you are saying then the govt should pay for the rebuild / clean up including the uninsured?  Seems to contradict your other stance of making it and standing up on your own, not govt. handouts.  Can't have it both ways.


So... maybe you can figure it out.... I see people's lives in danger in NOLA... Mosquitos with West Nile and Zika and God knows what else... 12 years later... then... a body dump as well as a drug refuge... How many people continue to die as opposed to dozing all that crap down? 12 years later !!!
Now a new threat that will be years to clear. If we have the money for a shrimp to run on a treadmill ( long before Trump), we have money for dozers. This is not JUST a GOP issue... nor is it new. Just go back and see the history. We get it... You hate the GOP and Trump.... but those who can see the larger picture know it is NOT party but $$$$$ and both parties worship that and blame each other if no one clears the spending. Hell...PA is going to run out of money in about a week... Did that just happen or...was it in play...even when the DEMS were in control? I (GOP) learned from my parents (DEMS) if my child needs food and only one can eat.... wife and I do without. But then again...my parents were John Kennedy Dems. not the same as today.

Just heard that Houston WILL have mosquito problems along with issues from ALLIGATORS in the near future. And Pence and wife are now in Texas with Gov. Abbot to survey the damage. Maybe you think he should have went to Indiana??

All I'm saying is who's paying.  Even dozing and disposal are not free.    The Republican elected representatives seem to be forgetting their opposition and refusal to go along with the Katrina funding back then now they have their hands out.  All politics and no real care for those actually affected.  Trump made fun of Obama on the ground with the victims back then, he shows up with Melanie in 4 inch heals.
Hmmm... I never recalled that I expected a free "rebuild" and I am aware that in BOTH, not many had Flood Insurance. My point was that in NOLA....the neighborhoods still "stand"... full mosquito infested pools and places where Drug Dealers and God Knows What... utilize. It should have been 'DOZED' at least. My opinion...

When will you report what Trump has been doing since he left after his FIRST arrival...or will you overlook that? I think he will have tried to secure funds to begin the Gov. help for them. He intends to come back again... You are so quick to pull the trigger. He will also be addressing Louisiana and other areas...We do have an issue on the East Coast as well.

Please note... Houston is expected to have areas still flooded up to and including November. The dams had to be opened in order to keep from losing them altogether.

If you wanted to throw stones... I think you should choose your targets better. We just came off 8 years of someone who was in place while Katrina was very much an issue... I only reported on what I PERSONALLY saw while there recently. I don't really want to fight over the faux pas or interpretations ... all I am saying is that this is still fresh and ongoing. It took God 7 days to create our world and no MAN can come near to that timeline or perfection. Let us wait and see...

A little compassion from our current president is not too much to ask.  Thousands have lost everything and a few and counting lost their lives.  For New Orleans and the impact Katrina so are you saying despite the fact most did not have flood insurance the government and Obama should have rebuilt these homes for free for each one of them?  Kind of goes against the Republican way doesn't it?  In your opinion who was to pay for all these uninsured homes to be rebuilt in a known floodplan to address this no man's land as you call it?

 
And maybe you fail to mention that he is doing a return as well as Pence coming in... Maybe we need to see what he/they have planned before we start throwing crap. I know when the SHIT hit the fan for us in Vietnam, I would rather have a leader insert some Positive thought than to have one say our SHIT was in the wind.... One visit really tells little as to the plans.... let's see what happens over the next week.

I was in New Orleans about 2 weeks ago. As our plane came in and when we left, you could still see a large area of NO that was still devastated by Katrina. A NO MAN'S LAND would describe it. Let me see.... It happened in 2005 and went through 2 POTUS's and it is still a waste land..... 12 years later... Old swimming pools are still filled with water (rains all the time) and instead of filling in those pools of mosquito infested waters... they ( Government Entities) are catching little fish that eat the larvae and placing them in those pools WTF??? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot??? And now a week in and continuing , we bitch about one POTUS visit... God...some of us need to just get a life and need to concentrate more on possibly offering up some help of a personal nature in the mean time.  IMHO


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on September 01, 2017, 03:40:53 PM
"I have NO CONTROL over the money allocated by our Government ( that is OUR money) but I have a right to comment on it's use."

Lotta good that does. And it stops being 'our' money once government gets hold of it . . . then it becomes theirs. (Cuz . . . they ain't us.) 


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Jayhawk on September 01, 2017, 04:48:27 PM
We just came off 8 years of someone who was in place while Katrina was very much an issue...

We seem to be forgetting that Katrina happened 3+ years before Obama was even elected.

Someone else was in place and doin' one helluva job with Katrina cleanup and the economy during that time.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Lifetime on September 01, 2017, 06:18:30 PM
Sorry to inform you Sparky, but.... it takes more than 3 years to clean up something like that.... so..the 8 years still hangs on Nagen's best friend.... and it continues. Bitch all you want at and about Trump but... it has only been weeks..NOT YEARS. 8 Effing years and what??? Not much of anything and it still looks like crap down there. It was Fresh for Bam Bam's predecessor .... so when BO took over... he should have had a lot of projected answers.

And the economy??? Have you seen anything about the Stock Market or Employment numbers lately???? And at 7 months in....Hmmm ..Let's see where it goes from here... And I am not saying it was entirely from T but it does look good so far. 4.3%... down from 4.7 in DEC 2016 unemployment from what I see.

We just came off 8 years of someone who was in place while Katrina was very much an issue...

We seem to be forgetting that Katrina happened 3+ years before Obama was even elected.

Someone else was in place and doin' one helluva job with Katrina cleanup and the economy during that time.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Lifetime on September 01, 2017, 06:24:32 PM
"Cuz...they ain't us."  So you are saying you don't even vote? WE put them in their offices...so we gits wat we votes fer.

And I take it that you don't even know who your Reps are??? I make it a point to know my local and State Reps are as well as Federals and... they seem to know me and will discuss issues I may have.... in fact a State Sen. Called today on an issue. They are not mind readers so I have always encouraged my circle to keep in contact with them.

Bitch all you want but if you are not engaged....keep putting grease on you tire treads... spin all you want.


"I have NO CONTROL over the money allocated by our Government ( that is OUR money) but I have a right to comment on it's use."

Lotta good that does. And it stops being 'our' money once government gets hold of it . . . then it becomes theirs. (Cuz . . . they ain't us.)


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: clp_lives on September 01, 2017, 10:34:27 PM
Not bitching at all just noting you bitching about welfare and the freeloaders but you seem to be OK with providing govt. funds to those that decided insurance was not for me.  Seems quite similar.  I am not complaining about the aid just making a point as they seem to be a similar handout.


"Cuz...they ain't us."  So you are saying you don't even vote? WE put them in their offices...so we gits wat we votes fer.

And I take it that you don't even know who your Reps are??? I make it a point to know my local and State Reps are as well as Federals and... they seem to know me and will discuss issues I may have.... in fact a State Sen. Called today on an issue. They are not mind readers so I have always encouraged my circle to keep in contact with them.

Bitch all you want but if you are not engaged....keep putting grease on you tire treads... spin all you want.


"I have NO CONTROL over the money allocated by our Government ( that is OUR money) but I have a right to comment on it's use."

Lotta good that does. And it stops being 'our' money once government gets hold of it . . . then it becomes theirs. (Cuz . . . they ain't us.)


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Lifetime on September 02, 2017, 08:07:53 AM
Yup... I do bitch about able bodied people sucking on the system hind teat. I live amongst a lot of them... As years rolled by... they moved into what was once a vibrant neighborhood...in which I lived all my life. Cancer comes in many varieties.

Now to MY POINT ...which you seemed to have missed....so many times. I NEVER said the Government should go in and rebuild their homes. No insurance??? Your choice. I learned many years ago... don't live near ANY water...river/stream/lake/ocean/sea. Mother Nature has a habit of surprising you. I don't live in a forested area as well. No need for my home to be extra tinder from a forest fire  (sometimes caused by lightning as well as asshole campers). Those are my choices. I have insurances for life/home and vehicles.... those are my choices and in some states....the law. Guess what... I never had to make a claim for my home... did when hail in "85" tornado dimpled the hell out of 2 of my INSURED cars. Now I only claim on my Health Insurance... getting old is a "bitch" LOL. Some insurance can't be bought in some areas..here it seems that earthquake insurance is one of them. We have had earthquakes but not on the scale of San Fran.

I NEVER wanted the Government to go into NO and rebuild for individuals. I was saying...if you bothered to read... Because of those areas...12 years later, mosquito infestation as well as human garbage...drug dealers and even body dumps are within those areas. This is detrimental to ALL who still live in NO (New Orleans) and out lying areas...Zika, West Nile are just some of the diseases and, they are talking about that same thing in the Houston area. Standing water needs to disappear in order to cut the possibility of health issues to innocent people. Now we all know the cost of dealing with addiction so I shouldn't have to go there ...we read about it every day in every burg around here... let alone flourishing in the abandoned building of New Orleans "Katrina" areas. That ...my friend, is something that affects EVERYONE and most aren't even in those areas. It is far reaching. Here are some things we seem to forget or choose to not remember...

U.S. Constitution:

Art 1 Sec.8;Articles II-V; Amendments XIII-XVI, XIX-XX, XXIII-XXVI These prerogatives belong to one of the following categories:

1) Defense, war prosecution, peace, foreign relations, foreign commerce, and interstate commerce;

2) The protection of citizens' constitutional rights (e.g. the right to vote) and ensuring that slavery remains illegal;

3) Establishing federal courts inferior to the SCOTUS;

4) Copyright protection;

5) Coining money;

6) Establishing post offices and post roads;

7) Establishing a national set of universal weights and measures;

8 )  Taxation needed to raise revenue to perform these essential functions.

Those are the only Prerogatives of the Feds. The Tenth Amendment states that all prerogatives not explicitly given to the Federal Government, nor prohibited of the states, are reserved to the states and to the people ( i.e. individual Americans). So...the Feds are not allowed to handle any issues not explicitly listed in the Constitution; their prerogatives are limited to what the Constitution explicitly states.

Now go back and compare what the Feds are doing or now "required" to do now. It has "come a long way Baby".

Again... I didn't state WHO ( FED, STATE, Citizens) should have razed the Katrina area but it is for the protections of ALL Citizens and not individual... Like protecting ALL Citizen when in a War.... Someone should have come up with a better and more permanent plan than to catch fish, put them in those pools to eat mosquito larvae.... or to clean out the areas Drug dealers thrive in. For the betterment of ALL ...not the individual.

12 years is a long time and...now it will be upon us yet again.

And yes... I will rail against what I see within my own neighborhood and even if nothing is done I will have taught my kid and his kids to live a better life. That is all I can do. 4 generations on Welfare isn't suppose to be the norm... and yes... I will bitch. A young girl with 4 children by 3 sperm donors and left to the system with no help from any of the fathers...yes, I will bitch. And when the girl will not name ANY of the fathers to Welfare... I will bitch.

And something on a more personal note... When I was in Vietnam, I made very little money. I was married with a child to care for. I got a letter one day where my wife had to tell me they had to go on food stamps because...even though I sent them my pay, she couldn't afford simple food for our daughter. I was pissed but had no control. I got out a few months later and when I did...I went back to work. I got my first paycheck and immediately went to the Bureau of Public Welfare and with money in hand ( the amount of the food stamps used) I was going to REPAY them. They looked at me like I was crazy... and told me there was NO MEANS that they could take that money as payment. My Father always taught me... if I made a bill...PAY IT. I tried, but the system was so convoluted, it left no means for me to do so. I ended up, in the end, to have donated to local charities. I OWED A DEBT!!! So... I WILL BITCH!!!



Not bitching at all just noting you bitching about welfare and the freeloaders but you seem to be OK with providing govt. funds to those that decided insurance was not for me.  Seems quite similar.  I am not complaining about the aid just making a point as they seem to be a similar handout.


"Cuz...they ain't us."  So you are saying you don't even vote? WE put them in their offices...so we gits wat we votes fer.

And I take it that you don't even know who your Reps are??? I make it a point to know my local and State Reps are as well as Federals and... they seem to know me and will discuss issues I may have.... in fact a State Sen. Called today on an issue. They are not mind readers so I have always encouraged my circle to keep in contact with them.

Bitch all you want but if you are not engaged....keep putting grease on you tire treads... spin all you want.


"I have NO CONTROL over the money allocated by our Government ( that is OUR money) but I have a right to comment on it's use."

Lotta good that does. And it stops being 'our' money once government gets hold of it . . . then it becomes theirs. (Cuz . . . they ain't us.)


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on September 02, 2017, 04:48:33 PM
Mr. Lifetime sir - I'm well versed in my reps. Local, State and Federal. Local folks are much more apt to respond to thoughts / concerns. Beyond that - nope. Fuckin' asshats more interested in preaching than listening. Ya see . . . if voting made any difference, it'd be illegal.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Lifetime on September 03, 2017, 12:56:04 AM

Guess your reps are different than mine..... have had legislation on different levels created and passed and have had some co-sponsored. So ...again... I take it that you do not vote?
Mr. Lifetime sir - I'm well versed in my reps. Local, State and Federal. Local folks are much more apt to respond to thoughts / concerns. Beyond that - nope. Fuckin' asshats more interested in preaching than listening. Ya see . . . if voting made any difference, it'd be illegal.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on September 03, 2017, 04:25:32 PM
Lately (as in the past couple elections) it's been write-ins. Votes of no confidence. Thing is though . . . regardless of who "gets in" we are right where we are, and voting has got us here.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 03, 2017, 10:07:08 PM
We complain about our government like it is the most dysfunctional one on the planet. Granted it does not operate as efficiently as the German train system, but it still does better than a lot of other governments. I can't stand that we get told we must choose between one of two parties. It like someone telling you you have to shop at Target or Walmart. Screw that, I just dropped a ton on a new mower and I went to the little independent dealer, paid the same price for it that Home Depot was selling it ffor and the guy who sold it to me actually knew something about the product he was pedaling.

So anyhow, We have some reps here that actually care. Just like everywhere else though they all call call us constituents, but that's all we are. There are others they call benifactor though and they have much louder voices then we do. Politics is a dirty business and if find one in office that cares I hope they get a return visit.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 04, 2017, 11:00:52 AM
Of course now Irma is a "concern" for us. This mornings models did not look good, but as with all things hurricane they are prone to wild swings in direction, etc. Time to recheck the hunker down and bug-out supplies. We probably won't have to make a decision until Friday night/Saturday morning. Until then we have to think about the where to go if it becomes necessary. Every storm is different.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on September 05, 2017, 03:32:33 PM
So - as of right now, Irma looks pretty damn fierce. I'm hoping not Andrew fierce - and may it'll skirt land. But that doesn't bode well for the Gulf States.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Amidala on September 05, 2017, 09:31:43 PM
I'm thinking it will be fiercer than Andrew.  We did our wedding anniversary in the Keys, in the spring after Andrew and driving past Homestead on the interstate was horrific to see - total destruction.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 06, 2017, 06:54:50 AM
The local meteorologist here said he would not be shocked if Irma peaked at 200 mph for a brief period. For now it has been a 185 sustained for almost 24 hours now with guests to 220 mph. Lots of awe and beauty if you're a meteorologist but lots oh crap for the rest of us. It looks as if it may turn sooner than expected which is good for the gulf coast. It's all up in the air though really.

Some fun (or not) facts.

Hurricane Irma Meteorological Records/Notable Facts Recap (through
September 5 at 9pm EDT)
Intensity Measures
‐ 185 mph max winds – tied with Florida Keys (1935), Gilbert (1988) and Wilma
(2005) for second strongest max winds of all time in Atlantic hurricane.  Allen had
max winds of 190 mph in 1980
‐ 185 mph max winds – making it the strongest storm on record to impact the
Leeward Islands, defined as 15‐19°N, 65‐60°W for this calculation.  Okeechobee
Hurricane (1928) and David (1979) were previous strongest at 160 mph
‐ 185 mph max winds – the strongest storm to exist outside of the Caribbean and
Gulf of Mexico on record
‐ 916 mb central pressure – lowest since Dean (2007) and tied for 11th lowest in
satellite era (since 1966)
‐ First Category 5 hurricane in the Atlantic since Matthew (2016) and first
Category 5 hurricane in the tropical Atlantic (7.5‐20°N, 60‐20°W) since Hugo
(1989)

Integrated Measures
‐ Generated the most Accumulated Cyclone Energy by a tropical cyclone on
record in the tropical Atlantic (7.5‐20°N, 60‐20°W)   
‐ Generated more Accumulated Cyclone Energy than the first eight named storms
of the Atlantic hurricane season (Arlene‐Harvey) combined

‐ Generated 3.75 major hurricane days in the tropical Atlantic (7.5‐20°N, 60‐
20°W) – trailing only Luis (1995) for major hurricane days in the tropical Atlantic


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 06, 2017, 09:16:53 AM
Here's a (not-so) nice perspective.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DI_TGGrWsAA1uw9.jpg)


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 06, 2017, 11:15:52 AM
ThIngs are looking up. I'm sure TiFeMb is breathing a lot easier down at his place.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Jayhawk on September 06, 2017, 07:41:08 PM
If we listen to Rush Limbaugh, these superstorm warnings are all just liberal global warming hogwash meant to trick people into buying stuff from local TV advertisers.

We can only hope he takes his own advice and refuses to evacuate his florida home.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/irma-hurricane-rush-limbaugh-climate-change-conspiracy-sell-batteries-radio-latest-news-a7932976.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/irma-hurricane-rush-limbaugh-climate-change-conspiracy-sell-batteries-radio-latest-news-a7932976.html)


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 07, 2017, 06:52:27 AM
If you listen to any of the pundits with any regularity, you may not have any of your own opinions left and are only able to parrot their doctrines.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on September 07, 2017, 11:03:01 AM
Oh, I've got a number of friends that are like that. There's a reason many of Rush's faithful listeners are self-ascribed "dittoheads."


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Amidala on September 07, 2017, 02:01:08 PM
Take care, NP, and keep us posted as you are able.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 07, 2017, 05:18:04 PM
Well the latest news is somewhat disturbing. We are all losing our minds wanting to know when Irma is going to turn north. As little as a 50 mile delta can determine which coast it goes up. There are to good hurricane models. There is the GFS and the European model. The European model was been tweaked a couple years ago and has been the better performing model as of late. So anyhow the GFS model has Irma turning north and deadheading into Miami. Since the NE quadrant wil be out to sea Miami won't get the full force of the storm. That's not a lot of consolation though as it's like the difference of being in the ring with heavy weight ot middle weight boxer. You're still going down.

The European model now has trended west and has Irma circling in around Naples and then  Blazing a trail across the state and exiting around Daytona, then it's on to the Carolinas. The bad thing is if it trends too far west it will scrape the coast and we all get to see the north east side of the storm. Since they rotate counter clockwise it would push massive amounts of water  into bays, up rivers, etc. Making a run up the gulf coast is a worst case scenario we don't want. The Indudance companies don't want that either because the claims would be staggering and it would take years to settle everything. Out house is block, our roof strapped down, but we have probably 40-50 trees that could fall and take the house out. One is a live oak that has a trunk that's probably 50-60" in diameter. So yeah, turn north Irma!


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 07, 2017, 05:23:09 PM
Fun fact from the twirtter account of philklotzbach  who is a Meteorologist at CSU specializing in Atlantic basin seasonal hurricane forecasts. (ie. one of the NHC forecasters)

So here goes.

Hurricane Irma has produced more Accumulated Cyclone Energy than have 12 entire Atlantic hurricane seasons in satellite era (since 1966).


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Janetplanet on September 07, 2017, 06:20:48 PM
Take care NP.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 07, 2017, 10:45:57 PM
The news hype is agonizing.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Amidala on September 08, 2017, 12:42:14 PM
Did you see the comparison of size for Andrew vs. Irma by a meteorologist. Devastatingly huge.

Gore I hope your Sis is ok. One of my friends is in Melbourne, and they did not evacuate. I am most worried about them.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 08, 2017, 05:23:12 PM
Irma is big, but not huge. It also a really strong storm. Sadly the track has shifted west. The happiest place on earth will be the windiest place on earth for a little while on Sunday if the track holds. Got the generator up and running today (thanks mostly to my neighbor) I have a few more things to do tomorrow.a lot of stores have closed or will be closing tomorrow and will not reopen until Tuesday. The kids have off Monday as their school has been converted into a shelter.

Sadly there's a ton of people evacuating and there is not enough room at the shelters for them. This will be the first time a storm will travel the full length of the state. It is projected to still be a hurricane with it reaches Valdosta, albeit a weak category one.

So right now it appears that our weather will start to deteriorate just after noon on Sunday and progressively get worse until the expected peak or "oh shit" times from probably 9:00pm until 3:00 am.  We've gone through storms before and come out mostly unscathed. I hope our luck hasn't run out. If I can I'll check back in Sunday all thing permitting. It's been a really interesting week here in Florida.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Amidala on September 08, 2017, 09:13:22 PM
It IS huge, NP! Don't fool yourself!


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Amidala on September 08, 2017, 09:19:03 PM
Biggest storm ever recorded in history, anywhere.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: clp_lives on September 08, 2017, 09:22:15 PM
Big but not the biggest or anywhere near the highest wind gusts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tropical_cyclone_records


Biggest storm ever recorded in history, anywhere.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Lifetime on September 09, 2017, 07:23:32 AM
And at least 12 of those occurred before Gore did the ranting. And... those are the ones that we have calculated...wonder how many occurred before 1899???

I found this interesting and wonder... who is/was right and how much politics played in either...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-global-cooling-story-came-to-be/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-global-cooling-story-came-to-be/)


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 09, 2017, 11:14:45 AM
In terms of actual SIZE it i large, hot huge. In terms of STRENGTH it's a friggin monster. Let's not confuse the two. Anyhow it's on now. With current track the eye will pass right over our house. As with all things hurricane it's a moment to moment thing. With the change in the track I will be hanging my 3/4" 12 ply polyform plywood over most of the windows. Evacuation is not really an option at this point. The constant shift in track pretty much paralyzed a lot of us since yesterday it was going up the center of the state, now it's coming up the gulf coast. Either way, the state is going to get hammered.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 09, 2017, 08:21:08 PM
Plywood is up and secured with tapcons. Patio furniture is in the pool. We have ice, water, gas and simple foods. Now it's just a matter of WHEN Irma arrice and WHEN the power goes out because it will. All we can do is relax and try to stay calm.

By Monday morning at 02:00 hell should be town.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: clp_lives on September 09, 2017, 08:40:50 PM
You sound like you have been listening too much to Rush L.  He says it is a hoax, then he evacuates.......


And at least 12 of those occurred before Gore did the ranting. And... those are the ones that we have calculated...wonder how many occurred before 1899???

I found this interesting and wonder... who is/was right and how much politics played in either...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-global-cooling-story-came-to-be/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-global-cooling-story-came-to-be/)


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Lifetime on September 10, 2017, 02:52:48 AM
I listen to him rarely. My point is and have been... this has gone on for a long time and I find it hard to accept it being more man made rather than cycles. I live in an area where many of the lakes are moraines. They were cause by an ice age... possibly before man even set foot here. Our world is in constant flux... seashell fossils on top of the Rocky Mountains etc.

Rush can say what he wants. I think his leaving is a smart thing. I have a nephew who was going to "stick it out" until the condo owner told him he had to leave the condo. So he finally made plans and loaded up the car and headed to S Carolina to a friend's house. Sometimes people may need more than a nudge.
And you betcha... I am not a fan of Gore and his ilk. It is history that we had a mini ice age within the last millennia... no jets, internal combustion engines and not so much in the way of belching mills. Population was much smaller than at present as well. To me.... all doesn't add up to the statements of the "Gore Crew". I believe that Mother Nature is a cold bitch and we are at its beck and call. Nothing more... Nothing less. When it rains, I grab a bumbershoot and when it snows...put on the rubbers. If the winds get high..I stay in cover or.... leave.




You sound like you have been listening too much to Rush L.  He says it is a hoax, then he evacuates.......


And at least 12 of those occurred before Gore did the ranting. And... those are the ones that we have calculated...wonder how many occurred before 1899???

I found this interesting and wonder... who is/was right and how much politics played in either...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-global-cooling-story-came-to-be/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-global-cooling-story-came-to-be/)


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on September 10, 2017, 11:01:54 AM
Stay battened down NP. Hoping things go well for you.
 


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: clp_lives on September 10, 2017, 03:04:48 PM
Since solar and wind renewable energy are cheaper than fossil fuel in many parts of the world why not push for them and have the clean air that goes with it.  No rail cars to haul all this coal and contaminated waterways as well.  If global warming is true the world is screwed and Florida among many other places will be in for a world of hurt with the projected sea rise.  If global warming is not true and we still push for renewables anyway we are stuck with the clean air and low cost energy it brings, how terrible.  Renewable energy is the fastest growing job creator in the US over 20% per year, how bad is that.



 
I listen to him rarely. My point is and have been... this has gone on for a long time and I find it hard to accept it being more man made rather than cycles. I live in an area where many of the lakes are moraines. They were cause by an ice age... possibly before man even set foot here. Our world is in constant flux... seashell fossils on top of the Rocky Mountains etc.

Rush can say what he wants. I think his leaving is a smart thing. I have a nephew who was going to "stick it out" until the condo owner told him he had to leave the condo. So he finally made plans and loaded up the car and headed to S Carolina to a friend's house. Sometimes people may need more than a nudge.
And you betcha... I am not a fan of Gore and his ilk. It is history that we had a mini ice age within the last millennia... no jets, internal combustion engines and not so much in the way of belching mills. Population was much smaller than at present as well. To me.... all doesn't add up to the statements of the "Gore Crew". I believe that Mother Nature is a cold bitch and we are at its beck and call. Nothing more... Nothing less. When it rains, I grab a bumbershoot and when it snows...put on the rubbers. If the winds get high..I stay in cover or.... leave.




You sound like you have been listening too much to Rush L.  He says it is a hoax, then he evacuates.......


And at least 12 of those occurred before Gore did the ranting. And... those are the ones that we have calculated...wonder how many occurred before 1899???

I found this interesting and wonder... who is/was right and how much politics played in either...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-global-cooling-story-came-to-be/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-global-cooling-story-came-to-be/)


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Amidala on September 10, 2017, 03:27:37 PM
Just to Review....that the globe is warming up all over is well-documented.

Whether it's due to a natural phenomenon, is man made, or due to something else, is where there is still considerable debate. One thing I would caution - There are activities going on All Over The Planet ( not just in the US ) that may contributing to this surface warming.   The issue is global, not just American.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Lifetime on September 10, 2017, 06:08:28 PM



 Classsss.... Classssss.... SHUT UP!!!!!! so much for Cheech and Chong...

And now we know that the Antarctic ice has been ....OMG ,.... increasing. Maybe we can boil up some ice??? No... but seriously...I do think the Goreism has been and still is... HUMANS DID ALL THIS. THAT is what I doubt.... not that our world shifts from Warm to Cold... more or less on it's own. It may have some adjustments to forest fires ( not all are man caused) and Volcanic action...( Not caused by man that I know of).

In the end...we will be arguing about this long after I worm food. Both sides have "EXPERTS".

Not long ago experts told me that coffee was bad for you and then...about 2 weeks ago... they siad that drinking 4 cups a day can help me live longer...???????????????????????????????

Who is right?




Just to Review....that the globe is warming up all over is well-documented.

Whether it's due to a natural phenomenon, is man made, or due to something else, is where there is still considerable debate. One thing I would caution - There are activities going on All Over The Planet ( not just in the US ) that may contributing to this surface warming.   The issue is global, not just American.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: bighair80s on September 10, 2017, 08:34:50 PM
mr bh and i hoping safe refuge for you and the family np


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Amidala on September 10, 2017, 11:40:28 PM
Yep. Allowing for new data input & analysis, and most of all, global critical thinking is never a good thing. Never. Yep.



 Classsss.... Classssss.... SHUT UP!!!!!! so much for Cheech and Chong...

And now we know that the Antarctic ice has been ....OMG ,.... increasing. Maybe we can boil up some ice??? No... but seriously...I do think the Goreism has been and still is... HUMANS DID ALL THIS. THAT is what I doubt.... not that our world shifts from Warm to Cold... more or less on it's own. It may have some adjustments to forest fires ( not all are man caused) and Volcanic action...( Not caused by man that I know of).

In the end...we will be arguing about this long after I worm food. Both sides have "EXPERTS".

Not long ago experts told me that coffee was bad for you and then...about 2 weeks ago... they siad that drinking 4 cups a day can help me live longer...???????????????????????????????

Who is right?




Just to Review....that the globe is warming up all over is well-documented.

Whether it's due to a natural phenomenon, is man made, or due to something else, is where there is still considerable debate. One thing I would caution - There are activities going on All Over The Planet ( not just in the US ) that may contributing to this surface warming.   The issue is global, not just American.
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Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: clp_lives on September 11, 2017, 10:13:53 PM
Globally they are doing their part, France, UK, China etc. are moving toward a day when sole combustion engines in cars will be a thing of the past.  Volvo, VW to name a few have deadlines as well.  400k put money down on a Tesla they never saw in person.  China alone is investing over $300 billion in the coming few years and creating over a million jobs in renewable energy.  We can sit back and watch the world pass us by or jump on the bandwagon.  I for one would prefer to breath clean air, drink clear water and enjoy cheaper energy, but that is just me.

Just to Review....that the globe is warming up all over is well-documented.

Whether it's due to a natural phenomenon, is man made, or due to something else, is where there is still considerable debate. One thing I would caution - There are activities going on All Over The Planet ( not just in the US ) that may contributing to this surface warming.   The issue is global, not just American.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Lifetime on September 12, 2017, 07:25:21 AM
Then ...when the time comes... 2 things..... DON'T take a rebate when you buy into the industry. (No one pays full price for a Tesla or even solar panels) and..... it is proven that even buying a vehicle like a Tesla... the "damage' done to the planet....even before you drive it...is equivalent to having driven a DINO fuel car 80,000 miles. You have to take into this... the materials used for the batteries ( and the disposal added on to the end) and the fact that a lot of the electricity is produced by means other than solar and wind to charge it. I see it as shitting in your neighbors yard and telling everyone how clean your's is.

We have bought into this crap because... it is HUGELY SUBSIDIZED by outside sources and yes... it may be so of the industries that we "despise" at the moment.... but we are no better off. And.... my water and air are just fine. If it were not.... why are we living longer today than just 25 years ago? We do not need to go PISS POOR to have PURE air and water... after all.... fish poop and screw in our water and I don't notice the mills belching in the air anymore where I live so it has to be cleaner. Furnaces in homes are cleaner as are the cars ...thanks to the extra THOU$ANDS we pay for them now.

I don't need solar panels on my roof in dark rainy snowy days and if I need to drink better water... I can install a filter system. Let the other countries do what they want... We fell in love with SMALLER cars when Gasoline was expensive... but you don't see the YUGOs in business anymore. They even gave you one when you bought a Cadillac at one point. I see a few VOLTS and TESLAs on the road and even "powder blue" Prius' but WE buy what we want so I see a SHIT load of full sized trucks in my area. Hmmmmm gotta HEMI???? I can't wait to see how many "AAA" battery imports will be bought from Sweden, Germany and ..oh yes... CHINA in the future. A lot of the countries you mention, have no form of cheaper organic fuel like we do. And if they did... their economies run on TAXES which makes the products VERY expensive. I , personally do not want to be like Europe, Asia, or even Canada for that matter. My Grand Children will be fine as far as water and air... unless some idiot pushes THE button. CARBON Credits LOL. Gore and DiCaprio talk this crap and then climb in huge aircraft or limo's to get to their huge CARBON FOOTPRINT homes. You would think that if you "believe" all this hype... you would live the life as well...TALK THE TALK, WALK THE WALK... but NOOOOOOOOO...it is 'do as I say, not as I do and keep those checks and money coming to my bank."

And as far as doing our part??? Who rebuilt countries like Germany, France and Japan after a time we called WWII. We rebuilt enemies and our friends... That my friend...was a hell of a part. We even did it at the cost of not revamping even our own industries and we see where that took us.

And... China is a good example... Billions of people and only a small part even have electricity or even a paved road or decent water and OHHH how about polluted air in those large cities. All this will be concentrated at the Business centers and the centers of their government... And THEY are going to be the Poster Children of a better life??? PALEEEEASE....

But do what you want.... it is the American Way  ;D

I will not be one to cry "The sky is falling"  just yet.



Globally they are doing their part, France, UK, China etc. are moving toward a day when sole combustion engines in cars will be a thing of the past.  Volvo, VW to name a few have deadlines as well.  400k put money down on a Tesla they never saw in person.  China alone is investing over $300 billion in the coming few years and creating over a million jobs in renewable energy.  We can sit back and watch the world pass us by or jump on the bandwagon.  I for one would prefer to breath clean air, drink clear water and enjoy cheaper energy, but that is just me.

Just to Review....that the globe is warming up all over is well-documented.

Whether it's due to a natural phenomenon, is man made, or due to something else, is where there is still considerable debate. One thing I would caution - There are activities going on All Over The Planet ( not just in the US ) that may contributing to this surface warming.   The issue is global, not just American.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: bighair80s on September 12, 2017, 12:17:34 PM
The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject.

-Marcus Aurelius


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: clp_lives on September 12, 2017, 01:30:23 PM
Yes studies funding by the coal and oil industry have shown electric vehicle and battery production are no better.  Most unbiased studies show otherwise over the life of the vehicle and will only increase efficiency as electric production transitions over the coming decades to cleaner options.  Proven?  Far from it.  Some people believe Fox News, others do not.  I am sure you decline your "subsidized" personal federal tax exemption "rebate" every year as well.  Why would you get a tax rebate / credit just for living, right?
Then ...when the time comes... 2 things..... DON'T take a rebate when you buy into the industry. (No one pays full price for a Tesla or even solar panels) and..... it is proven that even buying a vehicle like a Tesla... the "damage' done to the planet....even before you drive it...is equivalent to having driven a DINO fuel car 80,000 miles. You have to take into this... the materials used for the batteries ( and the disposal added on to the end) and the fact that a lot of the electricity is produced by means other than solar and wind to charge it. I see it as shitting in your neighbors yard and telling everyone how clean your's is.

We have bought into this crap because... it is HUGELY SUBSIDIZED by outside sources and yes... it may be so of the industries that we "despise" at the moment.... but we are no better off. And.... my water and air are just fine. If it were not.... why are we living longer today than just 25 years ago? We do not need to go PISS POOR to have PURE air and water... after all.... fish poop and screw in our water and I don't notice the mills belching in the air anymore where I live so it has to be cleaner. Furnaces in homes are cleaner as are the cars ...thanks to the extra THOU$ANDS we pay for them now.

I don't need solar panels on my roof in dark rainy snowy days and if I need to drink better water... I can install a filter system. Let the other countries do what they want... We fell in love with SMALLER cars when Gasoline was expensive... but you don't see the YUGOs in business anymore. They even gave you one when you bought a Cadillac at one point. I see a few VOLTS and TESLAs on the road and even "powder blue" Prius' but WE buy what we want so I see a SHIT load of full sized trucks in my area. Hmmmmm gotta HEMI? ??? I can't wait to see how many "AAA" battery imports will be bought from Sweden, Germany and ..oh yes... CHINA in the future. A lot of the countries you mention, have no form of cheaper organic fuel like we do. And if they did... their economies run on TAXES which makes the products VERY expensive. I , personally do not want to be like Europe, Asia, or even Canada for that matter. My Grand Children will be fine as far as water and air... unless some idiot pushes THE button. CARBON Credits LOL. Gore and DiCaprio talk this crap and then climb in huge aircraft or limo's to get to their huge CARBON FOOTPRINT homes. You would think that if you "believe" all this hype... you would live the life as well...TALK THE TALK, WALK THE WALK... but NOOOOOOOOO...it is 'do as I say, not as I do and keep those checks and money coming to my bank."

And as far as doing our part??? Who rebuilt countries like Germany, France and Japan after a time we called WWII. We rebuilt enemies and our friends... That my friend...was a hell of a part. We even did it at the cost of not revamping even our own industries and we see where that took us.

And... China is a good example... Billions of people and only a small part even have electricity or even a paved road or decent water and OHHH how about polluted air in those large cities. All this will be concentrated at the Business centers and the centers of their government... And THEY are going to be the Poster Children of a better life??? PALEEEEASE....

But do what you want.... it is the American Way  ;D

I will not be one to cry "The sky is falling"  just yet.



Globally they are doing their part, France, UK, China etc. are moving toward a day when sole combustion engines in cars will be a thing of the past.  Volvo, VW to name a few have deadlines as well.  400k put money down on a Tesla they never saw in person.  China alone is investing over $300 billion in the coming few years and creating over a million jobs in renewable energy.  We can sit back and watch the world pass us by or jump on the bandwagon.  I for one would prefer to breath clean air, drink clear water and enjoy cheaper energy, but that is just me.

Just to Review....that the globe is warming up all over is well-documented.

Whether it's due to a natural phenomenon, is man made, or due to something else, is where there is still considerable debate. One thing I would caution - There are activities going on All Over The Planet ( not just in the US ) that may contributing to this surface warming.   The issue is global, not just American.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: gore range on September 12, 2017, 03:09:44 PM
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Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: gore range on September 12, 2017, 03:32:02 PM
There is a half mile of gator-infested mangroves between Sis’ retirement abode, north of Ft Meyers, and the Gulf. They installed high-tech Lexan storm shutters and were going to ride it out.

At the Thursday 8 AM update she was suddenly dead center for the 400 mile-wide  CAT 4 eye hit on her 8’ above sea level garage floor, with the evolving forecast of 130 mph winds,  8’ to 12’ storm surge, with 14’ seas at 10 second intervals on top of that.

They gave it some thought for a while, but then prudently booked at midnight with increasingly dire forecasts dropping like used tractor tires in the lanai hot tub pool.

They egressed rather nicely on mile-high coordinated county back roads in the early AM hours up to Palm Coast on the ocean side to ride out a CAT 1 /2 blow in some friends' vacant retirement abode located a half mile from the beach- albeit sitting in a heavy wooden old forested area, 12’ above sea level.

Power/cable was out in Palm Coast with some tree damage and flooding in low areas. Cell coverage intermittent.

They snuck back in to the retirement bunker yesterday afternoon, taking county back roads to avoid the bumper to bumper mobs endeavoring to return post Irma on the major thoroughfares.

Not a lick of damage at the southern bunker and power working. Knock on wood. That’s the way it works sometimes.

Still, nothing to even think about screwing with. It’s a learning curve for new Sunshine State residents looking for sunshine in paradise.

I got my first solid night of sleep last night.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Lifetime on September 12, 2017, 04:41:22 PM
Thanks GORE...you beat me to it.... :rofl:

The Pope says that we cause the issue...I wonder if he would like real scientist to lay out their opinion on GOD??? Hmmmm Many Scientists are atheists, agnostics and those that believe that Science is THE religion. Good luck PaPa.


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Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Amidala on September 12, 2017, 06:39:51 PM
There are many scientists who are Christian believers, too. Check out Bio Logos - one organization for such people.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Amidala on September 12, 2017, 10:50:26 PM
Keep in mind, too...the Pope's viewpoint is that of preserving human life and the value of human life, according to what the Bible says ( God's viewpoint, if you will), which is that we are to be good stewards of our Earth, for the benefit and flourishing of mankind, to the glory of God.

Scientists' viewpoint is that evidentiary data tells us that the Earth is warming, and it is to our benefit as a human species to pay attention to this data and see what we can do about it to preserve and value life. After all, science in one form or another (discovery, invention ) has given us every speck of technology we have on Earth and given,is all,of the conveniences we take for granted.

The purpose or goal of both viewpoints are not dissimilar.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Lifetime on September 13, 2017, 07:42:31 AM
Found this interesting...
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The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulate at Bergen Norway.

Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone.

Exploration expeditions report scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.

Soundings to a depth of 3100 meters showed the Gulf Stream still very warm.

Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.


Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelt, which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

Within a few years, it is predicted, that due to the ice melt, the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.

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I must apologize....

I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported by the AP and published in the Washington Post... 94 years ago...

This must have been caused by Model T Ford emissions or possibly horse and cattle flatulence?


https://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-11-0589a.pdf (https://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-11-0589a.pdf)


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: bighair80s on September 13, 2017, 12:08:50 PM
All this data. 

The death rate for humans is still 100%. 

If the meaning of life is to "save the planet" for the next iteration of humans with brief lifespans I guess it makes sense to pretend our ideas, means and ends somehow have significance in and of themselves. 

The older I get the harder it is to "whistle past the graveyard".  Our human politics, religions,ideologies, arts, knowledge, pleasures, etc  seem more like diversionary substitutes for the authentic meaning I intuitively sense but cannot grasp.   We are supposed to be more knowledgeable as we age, the older I get its not that know less but more that I sense there's a lot more I don't know. The horizons have grown exponentially. 

I'm weird. I know. 



Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Jayhawk on September 13, 2017, 03:37:02 PM
Speaking of believes, the prez just took a couple questions in the cabinet room. He said a few words about how awful it was that the hurricanes were the biggest and strongest ever.

Then, in the same sentence, he said, "and that's why, more than ever, we need tax cuts and meaningful tax reform."

I'm a little confused on what the correlation is between the two.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Amidala on September 13, 2017, 07:10:28 PM
All this data. 

The death rate for humans is still 100%. 

If the meaning of life is to "save the planet" for the next iteration of humans with brief lifespans I guess it makes sense to pretend our ideas, means and ends somehow have significance in and of themselves. 

The older I get the harder it is to "whistle past the graveyard".  Our human politics, religions,ideologies, arts, knowledge, pleasures, etc  seem more like diversionary substitutes for the authentic meaning I intuitively sense but cannot grasp.   We are supposed to be more knowledgeable as we age, the older I get its not that know less but more that I sense there's a lot more I don't know. The horizons have grown exponentially. 

I'm weird. I know. 




My all time favorite movie line is Jeff Goldblum's statement from Jurassic Park:  "Life finds a way."  Because its true. 

The issue is, will we as humans continue to foster life as we know and improve upon it, or will we self-destruct? I think its in our best interest as individuals, and as a species, to care for our "pale blue dot" but many others do not see it that way.




Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: gore range on September 14, 2017, 12:18:29 PM
It’s a fricking Harvey/Irma hurricane thread with our know associates impacted by the multiple record setting natural disasters.

No surprise, rather than emoting and consoling with our  forum brethern and the other millions directly impacted by events, biased self-serving politics continue to raise its self-serving presence and domination.

But it is the internet….no silly bipedal homopod it’s master.

I’ll play.

The libertard mob can’t even keep their money-grabbing self-serving political-controlling lingo straight hour to hour, much less day to day, or month to month.

Global cooling….global warming……climate change…..more hurricanes…..rising sea levels....disappearing arctic glaciers.......Plague , War, Famine, and Death.

Even the most learned human minds on the planet remain are still learning about the dynamics of a relatively simple thunderstorm, and are essentially utterly clueless in understanding the fundamental mechanics of climate…… much less climate change.

Our planet has always been in flux and will continue to be in unknown flux.

Climate has [a]always changed and will always change.....contrary to the self-serving emotional loons’ manta falsely implying human kind will have any ability what so ever to control climate for the foreseeable multi-millennia, while –

….awaiting their desirable fictional arrival of a Captain Jean Luc Picard-esque interplanetary society.

The world’s most educated minds cannot even project the existence,  much less the path or intensity, of a relatively simple thunderstorm,  or even fundamental rain shower, 24 hours out.

Yet the self-serving Orwellian mind speak/crimes loons are unfortunately effectively maneuvering to thin your wallets in pushing their mid control doublespeak of  predicting of what is going to happen in 30, 40 or more years, while –

….endeavoring to mandate an ever growing psychobabble equal-opportunity list of what you can and can not drive, how you can and can not drive, how you can and can your warm your own ass in your own home, what you can and can not wear, what you can and can not eat,  what you can and can not buy in order to “save the planet”, and now-

….what you can and can not say.

New flash-

….the planet will survive until an extra-terrestrial event ends its existence.

The self-entitled bi-pedal homopods who erroneously delude their silly instant self-gratification selves they are at the top of food chain on the other hand…..

There have been at least six major mass extinction events alone on this planet where the overwhelming majority and quantity of life in existence on the planet at the time –

….was killed off.

…..all without the intervention of or even distant concept of the silly self-deluding, instantaneous gratification, self-entitled bi-pedal homopods who are now amazingly inversely growing more ignorant with the inversely proportional explosion of instantly available knowledge.

Climates will continue to change no matter what the not-at-the-top-of and still well-down-IN-the-food-chain food-fodder bi-pedal homopods do or do  not do.

Anthropomorphic global warming?  Anthropomorphic climate change?

The polar ice caps on Mars are shrinking…

....those ignorant Martians….. dear goddess of the cosmos, what will those sad-eyed Martian carnivorous Martian polar bears do now if Martians continue to kill their planet?

Libertard loons are currently effectively striving to control your lives and take your money to fund their political agenda because -

….YOU are the problem, YOU are killing the planet….

….a planet which of course-

….is a planet that will continue to survive even without the existence of bipedal homopods, and-

…. will survive until the Sun novas or the planet is pummeled by a increasing in variety and size of a plethora of unknown extra-terrestrial objects or planet killer events.

The reality is bipedal hompods should be realistically studying and striving implementing adapting to the uncontrollable inevitable planetary climate change on our unknown number of remaining millennia existence on our third rock from the sun, in an insignificant solar system, in an outer distant insignificant quadrant of the galaxy, in an rather remote insignificant sector of the known universe.

But it’s a free country….

…..it just can’t possibly get any sillier. :D


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Amidala on September 14, 2017, 01:42:05 PM
Not sure what you are referring to, Gore. Even the Urban Dictionary does not have a definition (nor dictionary.com nor the Science Dictionary.) for Homopod.  Self Foot?  Same Foot?  ???

Of course, Stephen Hawking's viewpoint is somewhat different from Gore's, which you can read below, if you are interested.  Note his comments about aggression.  Funny how that works, huh?
https://futurism.com/stephen-hawking-we-are-close-to-the-tipping-point-where-global-warming-becomes-irreversible/



Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on September 14, 2017, 06:35:30 PM
The human production of carbon dioxide has been identified as THE dependent variable for global warming or climate change or whatever the new phrase will be. I find that dubious given the myriad of INdependent variables at play on this little blue dot in space.

That being said - we are a messy species. We've cluttered / littered up the joint with all kinds of crap for a long time, most of which has happened in the last 100 years or so when we started manufacturing stuff that would stick around for a looooonnnng time before nature broke it down into component parts. I'm all for recycling. I'm cool with renewable energy. I'm hep on reducing my carbon footprint and garbage footprint.

But I am in agreement with those things VOLUNTARILY. I think good stewardship for my kids / grandkids / great great great grandkids is worthwhile, but not because some Oligarch somewhere has convinced some schmuck legislator to pass a law penalizing me if I don't go along with their particular take on the program while they all the while live a jet set lifestyle.

Mmmm - no. Al Gore can take man-bear-pig, his misaligned chakras, and his self-righteous mantras and sequester them where the sun don't shine.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Amidala on September 14, 2017, 06:56:01 PM
You realize, LFOL, that the population of the US is only ~5% of the world population.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on September 15, 2017, 07:14:57 AM
Yup. And the vast majority of our species lives on far less than than the poorest of US.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: gore range on September 15, 2017, 08:55:40 AM
…Stephen Hawking's viewpoint is somewhat different from Gore's. ..

Famous physicist Stephen Hawking issued a warning to humanity in response to President Donald Trump’s recent decision to withdraw the United States from the Paris Climate Agreement. Speaking to BBC News prior to a cosmology conference being held at the University of Cambridge this week in honor of his 75th birthday, Hawking said that Trump’s decision could cause irrevocable harm to the planet.

“We are close to the tipping point where global warming becomes irreversible,” the celebrated scientist told Pallab Ghosh from the BBC. The consequences, he explained, would be truly dire for the planet. “Trump’s action could push the Earth
iiover  the brink,

to become like Venus
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with a temperature of two hundred and fifty degrees
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and raining sulphuric acid
.…”

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...Most unbiased studies show ...


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Amidala on September 15, 2017, 10:45:23 AM
As you yourself said, Gore, the Earth is in constant flux....

Stephen Hawking is a theoretical physicist. His research, just to clarify, does not consist of "studies" or "experiments" in the traditional sense, but rather he contemplates AND - this is the key part - theoretical physics and astrophysics and such have to come up with the MATHEMATICS to support their theories. Which he does in his head, since he is so debilitated by his ALS.   Hawking is now 75. He has been observing both the Universe and Mankind for a long, long time.

Let's look at this issue another way -- TIME. And this is merely an illustration.   I'm sure many of you have seen something like this on TV at one time or another.  If Earth's time of existence is condensed into 24 hours, modern humans have existed for exactly 1 second of that history. In that one second, we have formed society, made big discoveries, wonderful inventions and traveled in space. We have also fought, killed and maimed and actually invented and used a nuclear weapon. We have existed in a hardly noticable bit of time compared to the Earth's and the Universe's history, and done all that!


So.


What does that imply for us? What does that imply for future generations?



If you read the article I posted, Stephen Hawking also said this:



Hawking previously predicted that humanity’s days on Earth are numbered — down by about a hundred years, to be exact. At that time, Hawking posited, we’d have no choice but to flee to another planet. It’s a point he reiterated in the BBC exclusive.      (PLEASE NOTE---> )      “I fear evolution has inbuilt greed and aggression to the human genome,” Hawking said. “There is no sign of conflict lessening, and the development of militarized technology and weapons of mass destruction could make that disastrous. The best hope for the survival of the human race might be independent colonies in space.”     Whether or not we leave Earth for good eventually, the ongoing climate problem is one we have to deal with for as long as we remain here. As Hawking noted, “Climate change is one of the great dangers we face, and it’s one we can prevent if we act now.”



Given the context of the history of man as being one second in the history of the Earth, Hawking fears that yes, Global Warming is real, long term threat to HUMAN LIFE (not the 3rd rock Earth, as Gore statements imply,  YES, GORE the 3rd ROCK will exist!)  AND that in such a short time, he observes that greed and aggression have become so prevalent among mankind as to possibly become imbed in the human genome.   This comment made me reflect on how, over the years, several on this forum, express themselves through using terms for weapons and such.  A gun being shot from a moving motorcycle. A well-armed bunker. and on and on. Protecting MY stuff.  MY flag. We have seen it here in our tiny little forum as significant thought pattern! Isn't that fascinating? A nano-internet-microcosm reflecting an observation of the renowned Stephen Hawking.   Scary, actually.



So, my point is this:   Human life is a rare and magnificent part of the Universe, but with a very short presence in the Universe.  What we have is special and worth preserving, in my humble  opinion. Right now, with 7B+ residents on the planet, it will take more than the independent, individual decision to recycle or use LEDs by a few knuckleheads to preserve the species.   I believe that God in His infinite wisdom and glory, who knows far more than we can ever hope to, created us for His pleasure and has offered us the ability to preserve our Goldilocks pale blue dot as habitat. But if we don't care for it, we will lose it, over time.  It won't happen quickly, not in any of our lifetimes but it will happen. Extinctions happen all the time among species and there is nothing that guarantees our survival.

Its never too early to behave like a responsible person, a responsible family - village - city - state - nation - planet population. But maybe with our tendency to greed and aggression, it is. Maybe we won't survive.  I certainly don't know.   But I hope we do, I really hope so. Life is beautiful and wonderful and Life Finds A Way.




Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Janetplanet on September 15, 2017, 10:49:21 AM
What a great way to start my day - inspirational and logical.  What a refreshing change from all of the rhetoric and angst.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Amidala on September 15, 2017, 11:29:42 AM
…Stephen Hawking's viewpoint is somewhat different from Gore's. ..

Famous physicist Stephen Hawking issued a warning to humanity in response to President Donald Trump’s recent decision to withdraw the United States from the Paris Climate Agreement. Speaking to BBC News prior to a cosmology conference being held at the University of Cambridge this week in honor of his 75th birthday, Hawking said that Trump’s decision could cause irrevocable harm to the planet.

“We are close to the tipping point where global warming becomes irreversible,” the celebrated scientist told Pallab Ghosh from the BBC. The consequences, he explained, would be truly dire for the planet. “Trump’s action could push the Earth
iiover  the brink,

to become like Venus
,

with a temperature of two hundred and fifty degrees
,

and raining sulphuric acid
.…”

 .





.





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.




.




….just a hunch-







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.



….another one of those –
 

...Most unbiased studies show ...




As an aside, without plant life on earth , we would not have the various elemental cycles that one learns about in school:  Water Cycle, CO2 Cycle, Nitrogen Cycle and so forth. All of these cycles happen without us noticing and PLANTS, magnificent, glorious plants, with their ability to take in CO2 and give off O2, are a key part of these cycles, which are necessary to maintain the habitat for life, which includes a livable temperature, plenty of water and O2 to breathe.  The Goldilocks Zone. If our elemental cycles were to be interrupted because of life extinctions, well, yes, the Earth would become a nasty, inhabitable rock.

Sulfur can exist as a solid, liquid or gas, depending on temperature.  A hot planet - sulfur would vaporize, then cool and recondense. Raining sulfur.  Not inconceivable. 


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: bighair80s on September 15, 2017, 12:02:24 PM
Using words like "we" "us" etc when designating blame, culpability, rarely means "me".  I know this because I've unfortunately done this myself.  My own conscience informs me the sincerity of my conviction of error by producing in me humility. This is something taught me by my parents and not the natural inclination of my nature. It's no great accomplishment  to admit oneself  a member of a group of wrongdoers then claim no culpability because you think you're above the rest of the group via enlightenment.  Sort of like... "your white privilege is showing" - said the Privileged White Person. 


This sounds more believable: (I did read this book when I was a teenager)
  "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either -- but right through every human heart -- and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. And even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained. And even in the best of all hearts, there remains ... an unuprooted small corner of evil.

Since then I have come to understand the truth of all the religions of the world: They struggle with the evil inside a human being (inside every human being). It is impossible to expel evil from the world in its entirety, but it is possible to constrict it within each person.


Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956"




Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: bighair80s on September 15, 2017, 12:04:58 PM
My apologies to Gore And the rest of you for hyjacking this thread.


Back OT

NP, I trust you guys doing well as you have electricity back?


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: gore range on September 15, 2017, 12:08:39 PM
....it just can't possibly get any sillier ;) ....


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Amidala on September 15, 2017, 12:29:15 PM
....it just can't possibly get any sillier ;) ....

And only a Homopod would know....


Title: Re: Harvey
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Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: gore range on September 15, 2017, 03:02:15 PM
....over 70% of Florida customers who lost power last week now have power....


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/fl-bz-fpl-irma-power-update-20170914-story.html (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/fl-bz-fpl-irma-power-update-20170914-story.html)


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 15, 2017, 04:53:01 PM
I've been trying to list all the crap that has gone on in the past week. I've been a carpenter, lumberjack, electrician, mechanic (sort of), lawn service guy, gofer and a lot of other things.

We were without power for almost 48 hours. From a PA context that probably doesn't sound too bad, but with no electric we have no AC or water (well). The house got hot. We were really happy to see four trucks from the power coop roll in on Tuesday. There was not much of the state that wasn't affected by Irma. She was large storm, but not huge. What was huge about her was her wind field. Lee, Collier, Monroe, Dade and a lot of other counties got hammered and in places were obliterated.

All in all, it's an event I don't want to have to repeat any time soon. If I ever finish the event log I'll post it. It's was pretty much non-stop prevention, mitigation and recovery activities for a few days.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: gore range on September 15, 2017, 06:15:36 PM
...We were without power for almost 48 hours. From a PA context that probably doesn't sound too bad, but with no electric we have no AC or water (well). The house got hot ...

https://www.factoryauthorizedoutlet.com/duromax-xp5500e-5500-watt-75-hp-portable-electric-start-gas-generator (https://www.factoryauthorizedoutlet.com/duromax-xp5500e-5500-watt-75-hp-portable-electric-start-gas-generator)


....you can get them in dual gasoline-propane powered. Don't have to worry about stocking stale gas with propane.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 15, 2017, 10:40:04 PM
We have a small genny. It was enough to run both fridges and give us internet and wifi. I'd actually like to have  genny that's about 15k. That would be enough to carefully run the house provided we don't do laundry, run the stove and all the other 220 or high draw. Of course if I go that far I might as well get a whole house unit. Of course I'd have to sell the truck...


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 15, 2017, 11:00:53 PM
Don't forget Gore, I have access to a lot of 100LL in my neighborhood. Works great in a genny, you just have to run it dry every time.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Jayhawk on September 16, 2017, 06:01:19 AM
I've been trying to list all the crap that has gone on in the past week. I've been a carpenter, lumberjack, electrician, mechanic (sort of), lawn service guy, gofer and a lot of other things.

...All in all, it's an event I don't want to have to repeat any time soon.
Great to hear it was a relatively minor disaster for your household vs. the months or years or recovery it will take other floridians or islanders to get any semblance or normality.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Jayhawk on September 16, 2017, 06:03:40 AM
....over 70% of Florida customers who lost power last week now have power....


[url]http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/fl-bz-fpl-irma-power-update-20170914-story.html[/url] ([url]http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/fl-bz-fpl-irma-power-update-20170914-story.html[/url])

If Obama was still in office, the crawl across the screen on Fox would exclaim, "Nearly 30% of Florida customers who lost power last week still don't have power."


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: gore range on September 16, 2017, 07:59:46 AM
... access to a lot of 100LL in my neighborhood...

 ....oh, yea.....and a lot, too  :D


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 16, 2017, 08:29:40 AM
I've been trying to list all the crap that has gone on in the past week. I've been a carpenter, lumberjack, electrician, mechanic (sort of), lawn service guy, gofer and a lot of other things.

...All in all, it's an event I don't want to have to repeat any time soon.
Great to hear it was a relatively minor disaster for your household vs. the months or years or recovery it will take other floridians or islanders to get any semblance or normality.

Oh yeah. We know dodged a bullet (or canon ball). If we wouldn't have gotten our neighbors mast fixed we'd be without power until close to halloween. When they come by to heat the transformers back up, if theirs any damage to any unit the transformer feeds then they won't heat it back up. And permits then become required. The permitting offices are going to be buried in requests!  We busted our butts Tuesday to get everything ripped our and replaced. Out electric co-op kicked butt!

We also cut up, split and hauled away the 60' maple that went over on the line on Tuesday too. I was glad I cold take a shower that day!


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Amidala on September 18, 2017, 10:03:25 AM
Really interesting article about how the big data centers thrived during the storms.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/us/harvey-irma-internet.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0 (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/18/us/harvey-irma-internet.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0)


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 18, 2017, 01:39:58 PM
We did just fine, but we're also a big data center. One of the biggest in the SE US actually.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: gore range on September 18, 2017, 02:14:03 PM
....now over 95% of Florida power reported restored.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Janetplanet on September 18, 2017, 06:35:27 PM
Here comes Marie.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 18, 2017, 07:10:50 PM
....now over 95% of Florida power reported restored.


Hah, that still leaves about 500K homes without power.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Amidala on September 19, 2017, 11:18:38 PM
Marie is a Cat 5 now (in case you're not following) and about to hammer Puerto Rico.  The one European model hypothesized today that Marie may pass dangerously close to the US East Coast next week, including NYC.  Has really been a month for natural disasters - wildfires, hurricanes and two serious earthquakes in Mexico. And that's just our hemisphere..


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: Lifetime on September 20, 2017, 07:49:15 AM
Friend of mine's son is going to Medical School in the Dominican Rep. No news yet on how he and the school fared... now we wait...


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on September 20, 2017, 10:56:07 AM
The DR got hammered by Irma and will get hit to a lesser degree by Maria. To a lesser degree is still not much fun. I can only imagine what it's like in a place like the DR where the infrastructure emergency response are not as good as what we have here.


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: TiFeMb on October 02, 2017, 01:24:42 PM
Glad to hear you are OK NP, we survived by riding out the storm in a shelter (it was projected to be a cat 5 direct hit) and stayed with "friends with AC" for 8 days.

Thinking about moving back to PA if I can wing a work from home gig. I understand your list NP, I'm still wore out from the experience and the company expecting "business continuity"  :shakeass:


Title: Re: Harvey
Post by: NightmarePatrol on October 02, 2017, 05:26:19 PM
Hah, "business continuity".' The eternal catch phrase that all companies want but don't want to actually pay for. "Sure we have a disaster recovery plan, we just never really test it or keep it up to date." Yep, we have a  five 16 cylinder generators and 40 thousand gallons of fuel. and can kick out over 3 megawatts of power from them. We spent millions on making a resilient data center, but nobody really takes DR all that seriously. The only places I have seen that take is seriously are financial institutions and that's probably not all of them either. Most places that a are tech dependent will perish inside a month if they can't get back online quickly. You took it a lot harder down there than we did. We dodged a bullet up here!