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Title: Dead Air
Post by: Lifetime on October 28, 2017, 08:12:59 AM
No new posts in any subject but CLP for over 3 weeks... I guess the place is officially dead to all but those who really care about CLP... RIP


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: Janetplanet on October 30, 2017, 10:47:04 AM
I was wondering the same thing.  I think a part of this is due to our current president situation.  You can't talk about sports without kneeling, you can't talk about the weather without climate change, and I can go on and on.  I miss hearing from everyone, but it is what we are living with now.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: NightmarePatrol on October 31, 2017, 08:28:57 AM
Sadly, it's tough to compete with the 800 pound gorilla.



Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: bighair80s on October 31, 2017, 10:11:09 AM
We could talk about holiday plans, winter coming,the kids, vacation, travel, tv, movies, etc. 

But itís true ideology has gotten into everything like sand at a picnic. Weíve been conscripted and dressed in our uniforms to do battle.  Maybe it would be permissible to go AWOL from all that for a time and just be people again?  Maybe itís not possible though, I donít know. 

That 800#gorilla isnít all itís cracked up to be in my opinion.  For something that was supposed to connect people it sure stripped the warmth from those connections. 


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: The Wraith on October 31, 2017, 12:03:14 PM
I miss the input of many of you as well. I learned so much from you all when the message board was hopping and I was just a reader. Sadly, people have found it easier to just check out of conversations instead of stating their positions and letting the chips fall as they may. Conversation requires dialog and the sharing of ideas. Whether you folks used to agree or not, it never seemed to stop you all from having a beer together.

There are times where one should state their position and defend it boldly instead of collecting all their toys and leaving. To that extent, others sometimes feel the same way but do not wish to share that because of the thought they will get attacked for it. I have always felt that your memories are yours, and nobody can change that. I can provide some information that you may not have been privy to, or considered, but for the most part I do not wish to force anyone to capitulate.

I believe that this current climate began far before this current president. It began when our society accepted leadership that straight out lied to their face and they (society) never held them accountable. In fact, we keep putting these people in the same positions of power and calling them great leaders.  I call this the "set it and forget it" generation. How long can you hear someone say "mind your own business" when your ship is on fire and you never made lifeboats? We need to look in the mirror and take responsibility for what we have allowed to happen in our society because we chose to "mind our own business."

The greatest threat to our country is the silence of its citizens.



Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on October 31, 2017, 12:15:20 PM
All the world's a meme.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: Lifetime on October 31, 2017, 12:21:54 PM
So true

" the greatest threat to our country is the silence of its citizens." But.... show your homework before the outcome. Many don't think before uttering and when they do..what they say... they can't show the what when and why other than..."well THEY said it."

I miss the input of many of you as well. I learned so much from you all when the message board was hopping and I was just a reader. Sadly, people have found it easier to just check out of conversations instead of stating their positions and letting the chips fall as they may. Conversation requires dialog and the sharing of ideas. Whether you folks used to agree or not, it never seemed to stop you all from having a beer together.

There are times where one should state their position and defend it boldly instead of collecting all their toys and leaving. To that extent, others sometimes feel the same way but do not wish to share that because of the thought they will get attacked for it. I have always felt that your memories are yours, and nobody can change that. I can provide some information that you may not have been privy to, or considered, but for the most part I do not wish to force anyone to capitulate.

I believe that this current climate began far before this current president. It began when our society accepted leadership that straight out lied to their face and they (society) never held them accountable. In fact, we keep putting these people in the same positions of power and calling them great leaders.  I call this the "set it and forget it" generation. How long can you hear someone say "mind your own business" when your ship is on fire and you never made lifeboats? We need to look in the mirror and take responsibility for what we have allowed to happen in our society because we chose to "mind our own business."

The greatest threat to our country is the silence of its citizens.




Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: bighair80s on October 31, 2017, 12:37:14 PM
All the world's a meme.

The world does seem to have become a meme.  That instead of a story.  I think itís really actually a story.   A meme is a cheap quick imitation for a story. Stories are deep and real.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on October 31, 2017, 02:50:52 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/rejas.jpg)


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on October 31, 2017, 02:52:21 PM
All kidding aside though - it seems many folks don't care to read in-depth or write in-depth . . . or think in-depth anymore. Our dialogue has suffered for it. So has our emotional barometer. Seems memes make for high pressure systems.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: Amidala on October 31, 2017, 09:46:06 PM
Now, now, now...Gore still writes in depth - occasionally - for newer readers - and then we make the Face ^....   


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: NightmarePatrol on November 01, 2017, 09:18:06 AM
Strangely I have found all social media useful in some ways. point. Twitter is very useful for me during hurricanes as the hurricane forecasters  post updates (and lots of weird facts) about what's going on. I follow one of the local meteorologists who's pretty awesome. The 800 pound gorilla isn't anything more than an ongoing class/work/distant circle of friends reunion for me. As for the rest of it there's a ton of rants, posturing, hate, misinformation, half-truths and so on. It's wearing a little thin, but I do keep going back for some reason.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: Amidala on November 01, 2017, 09:25:54 AM
I LOVE FB because it makes it so easy to keep in touch with friends, old and new. Simple as that.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: Lifetime on November 01, 2017, 11:12:57 AM
So do FACE TO FACE, phones, email and even snail mail... and don't have to put up with advertisements. To me...Facebook and the like... are just journalistic crack. Never understood why people put pictures of their meals on it ...maybe they should post "before" and "after" photos of it... but... that is just me *S*. I am not that self important.


I LOVE FB because it makes it so easy to keep in touch with friends, old and new. Simple as that.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: NightmarePatrol on November 02, 2017, 09:11:18 AM
It's an interesting view of humanity. Some people post a selfie at least every other day, or pictures of pets, their flowerbed, etc. I'm not one to try and figure out the human psyche. I'm not terribly good at it, but it does get me thinking a bit about what matters to some people and why. What turns me off is when people use it as a podium / bully pulpit .

It's a nice tool to keep up with old friends and that's primarily what I use it for. I really can't complain because facebook buys services from where I work so it does put food in my mouth and a roof over my head.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: bighair80s on November 02, 2017, 10:16:58 AM
ďBut it does get me thinking about what matters to peopleĒ -NP

Thatís an interesting take NP.  MR BH has a Facebook page he rarely used or looked at.  I never had one. We share it now.  When I say share I mean I hyjacked it.  Lol.  Seriously though, I looked back at itís timeline and see a theme. Family vacations and medical emergencies. I wonder what others see though?

I actually like mr bhís outlook on social media.  He doesnít care about it. Not one ďselfieĒ exists of him. Lol.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: Janetplanet on November 02, 2017, 10:33:23 AM
I am one of the guilty persons who post pictures of meals or recipes that I want to capture.  Cooking is a great enjoyment of mine and when I see a recipe I want to save all I have to do is share it and it is in my information.  Wonderful tool which I use a lot.  Don't have too many FB friends and have definitely lost a lot due to politics.  Facebook has its good points and bad points.  I choose to enjoy the good points and disregard the rest.  You have to admit that you can't beat it for pictures of the nieces and nephews that I wouldn't see any other way.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: NightmarePatrol on November 02, 2017, 11:19:58 AM
Facebook is interesting stew. The amount of information that is mined from it is pretty astounding. I could go on about this, but this, but I won't do it here in public space. Let's just say everything you see and everything you click is recorded and passed on to other people who take the data, digest and sell the results to other people. Facebook wants to be the only social web site on the internet. They have the money, equipment, bandwidth and leverage to accomplish this. The count of internet forums has dropped significantly in the past few years. So yeah... they are winning.



Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: Lifetime on November 02, 2017, 11:57:17 AM
Pictures I get are put in folders on an external HD with dates and connotations...



I am one of the guilty persons who post pictures of meals or recipes that I want to capture.  Cooking is a great enjoyment of mine and when I see a recipe I want to save all I have to do is share it and it is in my information.  Wonderful tool which I use a lot.  Don't have too many FB friends and have definitely lost a lot due to politics.  Facebook has its good points and bad points.  I choose to enjoy the good points and disregard the rest.  You have to admit that you can't beat it for pictures of the nieces and nephews that I wouldn't see any other way.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: The Wraith on November 02, 2017, 02:37:07 PM
NP is so very correct! All the information that they (Social Media Entities) collect is also sold to different organizations to use in their metrics. It is one big information collector that marketing and analytic people use to determine what you are looking at, clicking on, and commenting on so they can bombard you with ads or influence your views and beliefs. People just click "accept" and think those programs are harmless, but they can actually control certain parts of your phones and transmit data back to the company. Ever wonder why you may be having a chat with a friend about something and when you log into your computer or do something on your phone there are advertisements or stories about that same topic? You are now inviting all these same companies into your home to monitor everything you do by calling out to Siri, Google, or Cortana. Those things are constantly monitoring your conversations waiting for you to say those magic words. If it is electronic, then it can be compromised by someone other than who it is intended for.

The world is one big electronic sampling tool and focus group. Everyone is now data waiting to be mined and exploited for others financial gain. This data mining has been being used in elections now for at least 10 years.



Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: NightmarePatrol on November 02, 2017, 03:10:09 PM
That's in part what happens. The bigger part of it really is that they are selling the audience. (that's us... we're "the product") and they sell access too the audience. (again... us... "the product"). I can't discuss some of the things that happen and the mechanics of all that (certainly not here)  are involved. Google does not sell names, data etc per-se. I don't know about Apple, Microsoft or Amazon. Amazon is a massive IT player, but more in the business sector

The ones that buy and sell your information are the intellus and other people search places. The rest horde it and sell fairly blind access to it. I work at a mid to large sized research corporation and we have about 150 petabytes of storage at last count and we are growing pretty fast. That translates into 150,000,000 gigabytes of disk space. Compared to the big players we're pretty tiny. But we've been around a long time and have have something nobody else has, so we get to sell our services to the big guys.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: gore range on November 02, 2017, 08:07:28 PM
GBs of commercially mined data  available on millions of single individuals was purchased and utilized by the Trump campaign to productively refine and  focus their campaign efforts resulting in Trump winning the election hands down.

Ironically, when approached by the same huge IT data firms, the Clinton campaign stated they did not need the same commercially available social media mined data.

....oops. :o


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: NightmarePatrol on November 03, 2017, 06:14:48 AM
I'm sure the DNC get approached by numerous companies and buys data multiple sources. THey have their own data sciences department. Data sciences is a specialized area inside IT that does some pretty cool (and crazy) stuff. They literally turn the data upside down, inside out, shake it, etc looking for numerous things. Any statement made by Clinton about not needing data would have been pure hubris on her part,



Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: The Wraith on November 03, 2017, 11:58:00 AM
The previous president was able to use that data pretty effectively...... they invested heavily in setting up the infrastructure which Mrs. Clinton turned away from. Just keep in mind that the infrastructure is still in place.

I apologize if we hijacked the topic, but most people take these things for granted as a convenience when they can actually be more erosion of privacy.



Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: Amidala on November 03, 2017, 12:00:01 PM
Industries have always collected data about their customers, clients, patients, etc. Its just that now it's much easier to do with computers, and even easier for criminals and such.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: NightmarePatrol on November 03, 2017, 01:30:48 PM
They've been doing it with computers since the 1980's. Right around Y2K "data warehousing" became a big topic in IT even though it had been going on for years. There are companies out there with exabytes of information squirreled away on people living and dead. One of the things we collect data on is people buying habits. (there are many more) The usual example we provide are know as the hot dog report. Literally we take out data and look at hot dog purchases. Believe me when I tell you there are hundreds of brands of hot dogs. However interestingly enough when you add in city, state, ethnicity, economic demographics and even what time of the day some really interesting pictures start to emerge.

The same method is used with the voter roles. The who voted lists are provided back to the entity that issued the registration, party affiliation, precinct and a host of other factors. Once they have that data and mix it with other data I'm sure they can come up with some pretty interesting numbers. It's all a pretty fascinating process really.



Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: gore range on November 03, 2017, 11:54:49 PM
....most enlightening-

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-facebook-ads-helped-elect-trump/


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: Amidala on November 04, 2017, 12:58:44 PM
NP - in the 70s, when I worked at the JCPenney Credit Office in Greentree, every bit of information we obtained on credit card holders was recorded via punch cards into their system. We recorded data by hand in a prescribed fashion and the cards for sent to DP.  Watching the changes since then is still amazing to me.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: NightmarePatrol on November 04, 2017, 04:30:49 PM
The the number of data sources has increased probably a thousand fold since then. Even you turn off windows nasty "phone features" it will still send data to microsoft thousands of times a day. What exactly it's sending isn't fully known, but you can bet it's not your desktop color scheme. Then there's your phone, firestick, chromecast, cable box, DVR, thermostat, your car (if it's newer), The list goes on and on.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: IC2ITUC on November 06, 2017, 08:07:06 AM
I am probably one of the few people who has never had a Starbucks coffee and has never done Facebook !  I like to do things different than what the "In Crowd" or "Latest Thing" is out there.  For instance, I remember that when "Collars turned UP in the back" was the "cool thing to do" back in the 70's ??, at the beach that a beach house friend, Jack ( we looked a lot alike and some thought we were brothers), and I would fold ours UNDER at the beach bars/clubs.  The girls would come up to us and ask : "why are your collars Under "?.  We had a pat answer which was, " We are different, and don't want to be like all these other A** Holes in here !  Guess who met the most women ! ( Not bragging, "Just the Facts" Jack")  Also when IZOG shirts were also the rage there with their little alligator emblem on the front, Jack found a ""Protest Shirt" with an alligator UPSIDE DOWN on the front.  He bought 2 red ones and we would wear them at the clubs with the same results. Facebook is good for all you folks but currently I can live without it.  The less the Government and some people know about me, the better is my current Creed !


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: The Wraith on November 06, 2017, 08:59:26 PM
Hey DOC!!  If you have a newer car it may be ratting you out.... LOL


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: gore range on November 07, 2017, 10:07:53 AM
....if you donít already know, -

....your own car/truck is likely already set up to quickly testify against you against your will in the event of an accident or alleged commission of a crime.

 
http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2013/03/20/174827589/yes-your-new-car-has-a-black-box-wheres-the-off-switch (http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2013/03/20/174827589/yes-your-new-car-has-a-black-box-wheres-the-off-switch)

....updated list of vehicles which are eye-witness watching you as you drive:

https://www.rimkus.com/uploads/pdfs/Event_Data_Recorder.pdf (https://www.rimkus.com/uploads/pdfs/Event_Data_Recorder.pdf)


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: NightmarePatrol on November 07, 2017, 05:38:11 PM
The amount of data generated daily is staggering. ind boggling even.  Every 36 hours we generate more information than was generated from the earliest written record until 2003. And that time span grows shorter ever day. If you ever want to watch a TV show (and yes it's fiction bordering on science fiction) I highly recommend watching Mr Robot. But you have to start with the first season. This is the only TV series that ever got technology right.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: IC2ITUC on November 08, 2017, 11:03:02 PM
Wraith,  I don't think my cars will tell on me.  The one I use to just go back and forth to work is a 99 Honda with over 300,000 miles on it.  My "weekend car" that I use to leave the D.C area each weekend is an 03 Honda which is just getting "broken in" with about 165,000 miles.  Geez,  I can't even get away from my quotation marks with my posts here !!   Thanks for the Pumpkin Fest photos you posted.  Looked like a nice crowd and too bad the rain came on one of the days.  Take Care my friend.  NAMASTE  P.S.  If some of you didn't know--- NAMASTE is an ancient greeting that WE USED in long ago incarnations which meant " The God Within Me, Greets The God Within You."


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: lifefeedsonlife on November 09, 2017, 10:48:30 AM
Well, the use of quotation marks on 'weekend car' was absolutely appropriate. 

I like the word Namaste by the way. That one's a keeper.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: NightmarePatrol on November 09, 2017, 07:04:41 PM
I hear at least five of the languages spoken in India on an almost daily basis. The thrill is gone on namaste for me.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: Janetplanet on November 15, 2017, 10:20:38 AM
How wonderful - hope it is  a truly positive experience for you all.  Love seeing the PBS series about looking back into people's roots.  Especially Bernie Sanders/Larry David week.  Very interesting and informative.


Title: Re: Dead Air
Post by: Amidala on November 15, 2017, 12:34:55 PM
Janet...haha. Chickened out and deleted my post. But I'll repost. Being an avid genealogist, done the DNA thing, etc...last month a half brother turned up! We hope meet before Christmas. Quite the wonderful surprise!