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Re: In the Interest of Liberty
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2011, 05:17:19 PM »
Common sense has been abandoned at the TSA evidently (again)
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Re: In the Interest of Liberty
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2011, 07:30:55 PM »
I know it seems over the top but do you think the folks who are out to harm us would draw the line at using an elderly woman or a child?  I am sincerely against all this bukllshit to begin with but think like a terrorist for a minute.
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Re: In the Interest of Liberty
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2011, 10:29:45 PM »
Tend to agree with CLW. ...  I believe women have been used as suicide bombers in Israel? Other countries?
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Re: In the Interest of Liberty
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2011, 11:00:22 PM »
Approximately 2M people fly daily in the U.S.
The DOT keeps statistics at this site:
http://www.transtats.bts.gov/
 
So are these reports of excesses blown out of proportion. How many reports vs total passengers?
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: In the Interest of Liberty
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2011, 11:38:49 PM »
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

2 questions:
 
1) What is 'unreasonable?'
 
2) How is this 'fluid?'
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Re: In the Interest of Liberty
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2011, 08:08:43 AM »
The problem lies in part how the TSA is directed to operate with random searches. This is mostly done under the guise of not trampling on the rights of any one group. Profiling (no matter how effective) is against the law. We all profile and will probably continue to do so no matter how hard we try. The TSA has also been given almost absolute power over individuals once then enter an airport. Far more than a police officer has over you. Yes there is an obligation to keep the skys safe. Harrassing a 95 year old woman out of her depends? IF the day comes when we have to unpack our car or truck at the end of our driveway and submit to a search before we go to anywhere  it'll be too late anyhow.
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Re: In the Interest of Liberty
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2011, 09:54:20 AM »
....based on the news article, it is clear Ms. Weber's mother was not harassed, rather treated with the most respect possible under the circumstances....

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...“Then I thought, if you’re just following rules and regulations, then the rules and regulations need to be changed,” she said.

....Ms. Weber is clearly out of touch with the factual realities of the rapidly evolving world commercial-air security milieu, and if she feels her mis-perceived self-entitlements are being violated by flying via commercial air-

....start taking the bus, Hon....
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Re: In the Interest of Liberty
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2011, 10:29:05 AM »
Perhaps harassed was an inappropriate choice of words. I hope they will at least stock spare depends and diapers for any future occurance.
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Re: In the Interest of Liberty
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2011, 10:34:09 PM »
If the TSA's prime directive is to ensure no more planes fly into buildings, then all other issues are subordinate to that.
While the TSA should be civil at all times, they can't lose sight of the fact that every passenger, regardless of their particular individuality, is a potential threat.
Of course should there be another disaster , those claiming the TSA is too heavy handed will probably then claim they wern't zealous enough. Fans can be so fickle!!!! 
 
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Re: In the Interest of Liberty
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2011, 12:39:00 PM »
the sad fact is that the latest attempts at terrorism -- underwear and shoe bomber, times square bomber -- were detected not by TSA screening and secret telecommunications intercepts but by average citizens or fellow passengers who saw something suspicious and said something.

In other words, all this effort is ineffective and just plays into the mission of terrorists, which is to terrorize, make people fearful and disrupt routine life as we know it. Only the government did most of the work for them.
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Re: In the Interest of Liberty
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2011, 02:52:01 PM »
Unfortunately there is no "absolute win" here. I don't care for the tactics the TSA is using, at least for their faux pas's we hear about. (no I don't have a better suggestion either) I don't have any answers short of attaching a recording ankle bracelet to every individual in the country. That could cause a bit of an uproar though, at least from this corner.
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Re: In the Interest of Liberty
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2011, 10:53:27 PM »
consider this scenario:
 
You put the wife and kids on a flight to Grandma's house. You , due to work responsibilities, will have to follow on another flight in a couple of days.
The next time you see your family, they are intermingled with aircraft debris in a crater in a farmers field in Western Pa.
However, since 911 that hasn't happened. With 2M passengers a day going thru the system, it's difficult for me to accept that the system isn't working. One of the components of the security is the passengers themselves, Like those who caught the shoe bomber.
If you spend anytime at airports you will have noted the PA reminders. "No unattended auto's in the unloading/loading zones, leave no bag unattended, don't accept a bag from anyone, report any unattended bags, or suspicious objects etc."
 
 
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Re: In the Interest of Liberty
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2011, 11:00:15 PM »
Small inconvenience to be searched - this will be off the front page of memory in a few months - to prevent such senseless tragedies. Everyone who flies commercially is in some small yet important way responsible for airline safety.
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Re: In the Interest of Liberty
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2011, 07:30:15 AM »
"No unattended auto's in the unloading/loading zones, leave no bag unattended, don't accept a bag from anyone, report any unattended bags, or suspicious objects etc."

That's been in place for a long time though and isn't exactly new. DHS is also expanding into the shopping malls and the streets as well although they aren't stopping people on the streets just yet. At what point will this stop? A guilded cage is still a cage, right?
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